How important are getting women to you?/ How to make it important?

[Sub-Zero]

TLDR: So how important is getting good with women for you? What are reasons why you think getting good with women is important and worth the time and days you put in to get good with women ? I'm at the point where I feel bad for doing it; like I'm just goofing off chasing girls instead of focusing on making money. I'm trying to get out of that mindset that society puts on men for getting women. They don't look at it like a skill, and I have to remember this when I do this consistently so I don't feel like I'm just chasing tail and getting rid of responsibilities.


Whole Question:
So I've been on this site for years and I've always thought I put in work getting women. I made sure to ask a majority of girls out that I worked with, slept with most of them. I did night game consistently, got a lot of flakes, but got a lot of numbers, and many women touching me, kissing me, giving me compliance.

What I noticed is that I haven't tried all avenues, I didn't do online or day game at all. Where I think I could most likely to a lot better than the other two methods I've used. I never did online dating because it was always looked at as weird and I felt weird having to make a bio about myself looking for "love". I made a tinder but got matched with bots so I quit that. And day game, after all these years I still haven't did it much. It's just very uncomfortable to me.

So like I said earlier I thought I was putting in a decent amount of work years ago when I found this site, I went out to the clubs consistently 2-3 times per week, asked out a lot of females from work, slept with a decent amount. But I realized that I didn't out real work in. I didn't go out alone, I didn't go out 3-5 days consistently, and I didn't do day game or online game.

So after a few years of that, my friends moved so I had no one to go out with, I met a chick and mostly did things with her because I didn't wanna club alone so I just kept fuckin her, I gained weight, and I'm very rusty.

So now I want to make getting women important more than I have before, I want it to be as important as working out 3-5 days a week.

Thing is that I have always never thought of women as important, just a hobby, but in order to get real girls chase results you have to make women important and learn it as a skill, which I never really realized until recent.

I never made getting women that serious because I was always told that you weren't supposed to do that, you were supposed to put that last and chase money, focus on school, etc. So I never really looked at it as a skill where I had to go out consistently like a real skill.

So how important is getting good with women for you? What are reasons why you think getting good with women is important and worth the time and days you put in to get good with women ?

 

[Sub-Zero]

Bump.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Bump

 

[Rain]

For me it used to be just want lots of sleeping together. But now maybe I want a family. Both of those things require improvement of your skills to get better and have more options. How important it is may depend on the type of woman you want in terms of how far you want to take your skills and put yourself out there.

It seems like if you're sleeping with women that you met through work, must be doing something right? Going out 2-3times a week still takes effort so you still had it as a priority. Do you think there's any reason things didn't progress with women outside of work from night game?

You could try day game. If you keep going out during the night/day it may become more of a habit and you'll more likely be in a situation where you can approach.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Thanks for responding Rain

Idk what to tell you man, I've been on this site for so long and have tried different methods with girls from night game, but I kept getting flaked on for years, the only thing I could think of was that I didn't go hard enough for ons. Which would mean that I would have to go out solo which I haven't even done more than a handful.

So imma try to go out more alone and get ons because numbers have never worked for me no matter if I was calm or hyper, or if I deep dived or not.

I went out a lot more back then because I had friends, but they moved and during that time I was seeing a girl and just was with her instead of working on myself. I dumped her though.

Now I'm at the point where I want to get rich, I still wanna sleep with tons of women, but In my mind it's harder because I don't have my shit together.

When I was younger nothing mattered, then when my friends left and I met this chick, I went years without asking girls out or anything, I still got attraction from girls and girls sweating me, but if I couldn't hit that night I didn't want to bother.

So as of right now I'm still getting back into the swing of pick up and I'm trying to go out more alone, go for more ons, and definitely day game soon, with some online too.

It's just me not having my shit together makes me feel very unconfident to get women period, it's made me lose motivation and think to myself that I need to just focus on making money, but we know that building the nest doesn't work.

So imma just have to make getting women more important than I ever had before.

For me it used to be just want lots of sleeping together. But now maybe I want a family. Both of those things require improvement of your skills to get better and have more options. How important it is may depend on the type of woman you want in terms of how far you want to take your skills and put yourself out there.

It seems like if you're sleeping with women that you met through work, must be doing something right? Going out 2-3times a week still takes effort so you still had it as a priority. Do you think there's any reason things didn't progress with women outside of work from night game?

You could try day game. If you keep going out during the night/day it may become more of a habit and you'll more likely be in a situation where you can approach.

 

[sneaky_charm]

Sub-Zero,

You seem to be doing quite well, better than me at least.

If I'm not wrong, I noticed something while looking at your post history. You have no field reports.

Chase made a post on getting better quickly, you can find the link here:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=193

The summary of it is this:

"I've done quite some thinking about this over the past 7 years, and to me hands down the best way to get better at pickup is:

Go out frequently
Take 2 to 3 clear, achievable goals with you each time that will push your limits
Write the entire interaction down in a field report the instant you get home
Post the field report up for comments
Rinse and repeat"

Maybe just give writing field reports a try, for 3 months or 6 months. If it doesn't work out, then you can try something else.

Also, do you analyze your interactions while you've free time? It doesn't seem like you have much free time, but maybe before sleep, while you're on bathroom, walking to the grocery store etc. just think about where exactly your interactions went wrong and then plan how you can do better next time.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Yeah, I've always been able to attract girls, but when I get out of social circle, I just get a lot of flakes and still haven't found out how to lessen it.

Yeah I think about my interactions a lot, I always analyze on what I did right or wrong.

I'm very busy now, but it does feel good being productive.

I have posted field reports before on here years ago, but no one says anything to help. So I quit doing them, I can usually tell when I mess up somewhere or I make a thread on the boards asking a question.

Now I just gotta take this a lot more seriously by going out more, and I gotta do day game. I only did day game like twice lol.

I've been on this site for half a decade and feel bad I haven't done more day game, but that shits hard, I mostly see couples old women, or white girls (some might not even be 18) so if I do see an attractive chick there's a lot more pressure because who knows when I'll see another one.

But yeah I wish I took this way more serious as in going out 4 nights a week and doing day game with some online game.

But having guys to talk to like you give me motivation because we're one of a kind.

What's going on with your side with women?

Sub-Zero,

You seem to be doing quite well, better than me at least.

If I'm not wrong, I noticed something while looking at your post history. You have no field reports.

Chase made a post on getting better quickly, you can find the link here:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=193

The summary of it is this:

"I've done quite some thinking about this over the past 7 years, and to me hands down the best way to get better at pickup is:

Go out frequently
Take 2 to 3 clear, achievable goals with you each time that will push your limits
Write the entire interaction down in a field report the instant you get home
Post the field report up for comments
Rinse and repeat"

Maybe just give writing field reports a try, for 3 months or 6 months. If it doesn't work out, then you can try something else.

Also, do you analyze your interactions while you've free time? It doesn't seem like you have much free time, but maybe before sleep, while you're on bathroom, walking to the grocery store etc. just think about where exactly your interactions went wrong and then plan how you can do better next time.

 

[sneaky_charm]

I have posted field reports before on here years ago, but no one says anything to help. So I quit doing them, I can usually tell when I mess up somewhere or I make a thread on the boards asking a question.

Yeah I've noticed this happen a bit too. Probably related to some old folks leaving the forums and an increased number of forum members and posts now compared to before.

Now I just gotta take this a lot more seriously by going out more, and I gotta do day game. I only did day game like twice lol.

Well, that does not sound great, I'm sorry lol. Twice?? Just go out. Besides, Chase and Hector agree that if you want quality women, you gotta do daygame. Nightclubs aren't the spot for stable girls.

I've been on this site for half a decade and feel bad I haven't done more day game, but that shits hard, I mostly see couples old women, or white girls (some might not even be 18) so if I do see an attractive chick there's a lot more pressure because who knows when I'll see another one.

I have no idea what your situation is. However, if the quality of girls is not what you expect, why don't you try to change location? Even if it takes years, it will be worth it if having girls is really important to you.

But having guys to talk to like you give me motivation because we're one of a kind.

What's going on with your side with women?

Not much. Joined a college after taking the advice of Chase and other members and doing some pondering myself. I'm enjoying the ride. Class has about 10 girls, I'm aiming for 3. Asked out 2 girls, one gave token resistance, she rejected kiss playfully too. But, mostly we're good. Still talking, still gives smiles etc. Here's a very short report on the kiss attempt:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19245#p95001

The other, I don't know. Maybe I took too long and lost her. The 3rd one no idea cause I've only started showing interest today.

Other than that there's another girl from History class. Tried to kiss, didn't work out, but probably would've happened if we were more secluded. She was saying how it would have been a big deal if someone saw me trying to kiss her in an empty classroom. You can find the field report here:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19300

I'm just worried that if I make a move on lots of girls and things didn't work out, I'll have a bad reputation which will take some time to fix. Even if they do, then also I will have some risk of being perceived as a player. I'm basically asking for it with how I'm doing things. Let's see how it works out.

 

[Chase]

SZ-

I did night game consistently, got a lot of flakes, but got a lot of numbers, and many women touching me, kissing me, giving me compliance.

Idk what to tell you man, I've been on this site for so long and have tried different methods with girls from night game, but I kept getting flaked on for years

I've mentioned this a bunch of times, and Alek has mentioned it several times. And I believe I've said it to you a few times in comments over the years.

Night game is not for phone numbers. You can sometimes get phone numbers that work if you're lucky... but even if the girl really really liked you, there's an extremely high chance you won't hear from her again after that night.

I mean... there are night game number close methods. But mostly only if you come across as a really impressive "I have to stay in touch with this guy outside the club" type guy. If you're not working that "I'm a baller" angle, numbers at night are pretty much useless. When I do night game I usually don't take phone numbers. Alek has said he usually doesn't take phone numbers. A lot of guys who are good at night game do not bother with phone numbers.

Same deal with makeouts in the club, etc.... if she makes out with you in the club, you are less likely to pull her, not more.

You're doing a bunch of things and going for things that do not help you get laid.

Night game is for SNLs. And maybe phone numbers if you work the more low key areas and style yourself a baller / high roller / successful / dapper guy she'd want to know in real life outside the club. But mostly for SNLs.

If you want to use phone numbers, do day game. The numbers you get will be much, much more productive than those you get from night game. Trying to work phone numbers you get from night game is like trying to make sales calls to folks you meet at the Salvation Army shop. Even if you can get them onto the phone, they probably ain't gonna show up to your $500 seminar

Chase

 

[Sub-Zero]

Yeah I know night game is terrible for numbers and dates. I'm glad that it's not just me lol. I was just saying what I was doing when I didn't know better when I first got in this site.

So when you say to go out 3-5 nights a week for pick up, do you mean to try to get a snl all of those outings? Or is it just for the social aspect of women I'm aiming at trying to get better? What would be my objective going out 3-5 nights a week ?

SZ-

I did night game consistently, got a lot of flakes, but got a lot of numbers, and many women touching me, kissing me, giving me compliance.

Idk what to tell you man, I've been on this site for so long and have tried different methods with girls from night game, but I kept getting flaked on for years

I've mentioned this a bunch of times, and Alek has mentioned it several times. And I believe I've said it to you a few times in comments over the years.

Night game is not for phone numbers. You can sometimes get phone numbers that work if you're lucky... but even if the girl really really liked you, there's an extremely high chance you won't hear from her again after that night.

I mean... there are night game number close methods. But mostly only if you come across as a really impressive "I have to stay in touch with this guy outside the club" type guy. If you're not working that "I'm a baller" angle, numbers at night are pretty much useless. When I do night game I usually don't take phone numbers. Alek has said he usually doesn't take phone numbers. A lot of guys who are good at night game do not bother with phone numbers.

Same deal with makeouts in the club, etc.... if she makes out with you in the club, you are less likely to pull her, not more.

You're doing a bunch of things and going for things that do not help you get laid.

Night game is for SNLs. And maybe phone numbers if you work the more low key areas and style yourself a baller / high roller / successful / dapper guy she'd want to know in real life outside the club. But mostly for SNLs.

If you want to use phone numbers, do day game. The numbers you get will be much, much more productive than those you get from night game. Trying to work phone numbers you get from night game is like trying to make sales calls to folks you meet at the Salvation Army shop. Even if you can get them onto the phone, they probably ain't gonna show up to your $500 seminar

Chase

 

[foggy]

Yeah I know night game is terrible for numbers and dates. I'm glad that it's not just me lol. I was just saying what I was doing when I didn't know better when I first got in this site.

So when you say to go out 3-5 nights a week for pick up, do you mean to try to get a snl all of those outings? Or is it just for the social aspect of women I'm aiming at trying to get better? What would be my objective going out 3-5 nights a week ?

I'd say invest in the process, not the outcome