How many guys that read GC actually change their life?

[Mr.Rob]

What do you guys think is the actual % of people that get into pick up that actually implement this material fully into their lives and make a REAL change.

I was talking to a friend of mine who actually works for a mainstream pick-up company and he was telling me that their company did an analysis on the rate of people that actually implement the material and found that around 3-5% of the people that attended events or bootcamps actually made progress. (I.e. a lot of repeat customers for events that never get anywhere)

So out of all the people that post on the forum here and read Girlschase how many of them actually take massive action in the direction they want to go and if they don't why not? (assuming they enjoy reading the information in a way that they'd want to emulate a lifestyle of sexual abundance and aren't just pandering around to kill time on the internet)

I personally think it would be at least 50% of people but after hearing my friends evidence I thought otherwise.

I guess the majority of people that see all this stuff think "wow this is soo awesome I'd love to have that lifestyle" but are so comfortable in mediocrity and lack the courage to make the jump that they never really take action. Or if they do they dabble around, open a few girls here and there, and then say "I open girls I'm in the secret society".

I guess the 3% rule holds true after all.

Your thoughts?

 

[Franco]

Rob,

Yeah, I'd say the large majority of guys that come through and spend some time here probably don't really complete the journey (if they even start it). I think that's part of the problem: most guys don't really realize that this is a journey, and the overall goal is to improve yourself as a man to the point where you understand how to bring women easily into your life.

There's actually a large amount of guys who come on here looking for a quick fix to a specific situation they are having right at that moment. And my guess would be that the majority of those guys, when told that their situation is not ideal and that they should move on, don't really listen to the advice and instead assume that they can get better advice to help that one specific situation elsewhere.

I'd say it's hard to put a "percentage" on something like this because it is so variable and there are different perceptions of what is "life-changing" and what is not. Some guys might use this material just enough to find a great girl and want to settle down with her, and in that respect, this website has "changed their life." They may not have achieved mastery, but mastery may have never been their goal to begin with.

I'd say your friend's estimate is pretty accurate though. Chase has mentioned (somewhere) that learning to seduce women, bring them into relationships, and manage those relationships may very well be the hardest task(s) you'll ever have to complete in your life. If it was easy, then guys wouldn't really need this forum -- or possibly this website -- to accomplish it.

- Franco

 

[Mr.Rob]

because it is so variable and there are different perceptions of what is "life-changing" and what is not

I'd say the definition of life changing being the person in question also agrees honestly that the information they implemented change their life in a way they deemed "successful"

Everyone's standard is different as you acknowledge but being able for the customer to say they benefitted from taking action in accordance to the material.

There's actually a large amount of guys who come on here looking for a quick fix to a specific situation they are having right at that moment.

Yeah I've noticed that as well. I think a lot of times these guys are so hung up on their one result that they want sooooo bad they don't open themselves up to the endless abundant possibilities that are out there that they'd probably want even more if they gave it a chance.

Makes you want to shake them and tell them to open their eyes to what might make them 10 times happier than what they're seeking to fix so bad.

Chase has mentioned (somewhere) that learning to seduce women, bring them into relationships, and manage those relationships may very well be the hardest task(s) you'll ever have to complete in your life.

I feel honored and proud (of myself) to be on that path to mastery. Haha I haven't even gotten into the relationships part yet! Whooooo I've got a feeling that's going to be a painful learning curve haha! Glad I'm starting young.

 

[Man-O]

You can't rly set an estimate or goal but the closest to it is probably one where the participant is taking the advice and implementing and the most important things; Keeping it and improving it the rest of their lives.

I for instance still got trouble with doing uni stuff and I know I'm lacking discipline but it's not something I can change right away (if we all could that, the world would be rather ez). At least now I got my socializing added unlike a year ago where it was rather bad.
You have to foremost accept your limits and know your needs. Then you may acquire the goal you seek in a healthy pace.

Another note: It doesn't help that all the brands of pick-up advertise themselves as life-changers within few days or months when this is something that takes more than a year. So no wonder a lot of the newcomers get all excited and end up thinking it's Waste of time like I've seen many I've gone out with have in the end. Some of them even solely focus on PU and I've read and listened on to several puas that banging tons of chicks ain't the answer to a happy life solely, quite the contrary.

 

[Quantum]

I've found that GC has opened my eyes and got me to start seeing things from a different perspective. The biggest improvement it makes imo is that you start seeing the little things that you may have missed before.

Once you understand what's going on around you, you can act accordingly. Reading different articles and forum posts has given me much better awareness. Is that considered life changing? Probably not. But it has improved my life. Certainly made things easier.

Something that's often overlooked is how much of the material on here relates to everyday life. The percentage of lives drastically changed might be low but I think there's a significant number who have at least improved themselves a little bit.

 

[D_Smooth1900]

I was one those who first stumble onto this website, I had a problem with a girl I started catching feelings for. We had a friends with benefit relationship, I missed a lot of her escalation windows to be something more so she left.

I thought I could fix my problem by reading up on some articles. After reading" How to Get her Back," I came back and read more articles. I eventually came to the conclusion that this website didn't provide step by step instructins on fixing relationship problems, but instead it helped you build a skill that can help you attract women.

I've been on here for a year now I read the post and articles on here religiously, Im mainly in the general and the beginners forms. I'm not a big fan of posting especially in the field reports. I feel like it breaks the rule of, " A Gentlman Kissing and telling."

After reading some topics I'll provide some insight on fixing the problem. It's like you said, everyone comes here for a quick fix, at least the majority of users. I don't always post, but when I do I try to bring a complex problem to the table, such as, " should you invite girls that you've bedded to the same party?(which is the dilemma in currently facing)" Not something like," why is this girl not texting me back," or something along those lines.

Anyways I'm thankful, for yall guidance and just know that I'm one of those guys who was changed by the material you guys share here, Thank You
-Smooth

 

[Drck]

IMO it depends on what do you mean by implementing material and making real changes.

For instance, a guy can be practicing martial arts for several years and it will definitely change his life in many aspects - he learns self-discipline, his confidence will increase, his anxiety will decrease, he will feel much better about himself, he will feel stronger and healthier... He will learn to be aware of his body, he learns to rely on himself only, he learns to be motivated and persistent. He learns to meditate and relax, which helps with overall mood as well as with mind set. He learns to become a leader as he is training other guys. He develops sense of spirituality as real martial arts is deeply connected with it...

That is my case, and even though I don't do it anymore I still exercise today because I love the rush of adrenaline; it still effect my overall physical and mental health. I learned to respect and value other people, I learned to have passion for something in my life. My whole life philosophy changed because of that.

All this is reflected in many different areas of my life. For example I used self-discipline, motivation, persistence and self-reliance to achieve high education and learn a new language. Having confidence is not a new concept for me, once I have developed some confidence I learned to switch it to different areas of my life, including seduction.

I haven't been fighting for years, I am using much more peaceful approach in life, but somewhere in the background I still feel like a fighter. Looking back, I could easily say that 70-80% of seduction skills I have were actually developed during my martial arts years. I developed these skills in different area, I just "re-use" them in e.g. seduction.


The same with seduction. Sometimes what a guy needs is only a quick fix to supplement his life. IMO most guys don't really have the ambition to sleep with 200+ girls, they just need to overcome initial anxiety, they learn something about girls, they improve their communication, they sleep with several girls and perhaps find a good girl to marry... then they move on with their lives. IMO it is incorrect to say that they didn't implement the material or didn't make any changes.

Similarly, as described above, a guy who learns seduction can find lots of things that can be re-used in other areas of his life. He can for example learn not to chase girls - or not to chase friends and customers... He can learn better communication skills with many different people, he can learn to be more leading, more vibing... He can improve his overall mindset, create better social circle, be more immune towards different kinds of rejections (e.g. at job), he become more mature and dominant and so on...

Those are IMO universal skills that can be used in different areas of life, and just because the guy is not doing seduction full time it doesn't really mean that seduction didn't largely influence his life...

 

[luego]

I've still never even tried cold pickup, but just the whole realization mindset has made a huge difference in how I deal with women. "Girls are silly and cute". Push/pull and chase-frames. Deep diving. Real or projected abundance. All of this has improved my dealings with women tenfold.

If you're questioning how many people come on here, overhaul their lives and become a cassanova, and devote themselves to mastering women, I think it's a miniscule percentage. But that need not be the end goal.

 

[Tim Iron]

Guys have different goals... so the question is if they achieved what they wanted.

 

[Sub-Zero]

This site changed me in everyway. I love this site!

 

[Flames]

You realise this journey doesn't have an endpoint right?

So with that in mind I'd say nobody ever achieves what they think they'll acheive, or put another way everyone acheives something even if they never do anything at all.

Change is inevitable (for better or worse) regardless of what you put into it.

Personally I'm immeasurably a better person than I was, based on my own standards of course.

 

[mindful]

The biggest realization for me was how quickly you could actually move with women and that women really love sex. Before following this forum, my mindset was to not come off sexual and assertive, especially because I've been rather timid and shy about showing a girl I have an interest in her. Now I get so much comfort knowing and believing that girls want to have sex and meet a man that will unleash their desires.

Now I will admit, I don't approach nearly as much as I should and that i work the tinder angle a lot. In the past 5 weeks I've had sex with 8 new girls and only one was from meeting a girl out at a bar.

Although I'm bedding more women and at a higher rate than any other time in my life, I still see areas that need improvement. My conversations skills have come a long way but it's still a struggle for me to stay in the moment and flow. I honestly still wing it and just try to keep the focus on the girl. I don't even say too much sexual shit. Luckily I've improved my fundamentals immensely. Speaking more slowly, eye contact, a calm and non reactive, sexy haircut, good style, non judgmental frame. It's crazy how open some girls get with me now. Telling me real personal shit.

I also don't think nearly as much as I used to. I'm a real sensitive person and over analytical so I pick up on others emotions and vibe way easier than others and it can really steer me to wrong conclusions about girls if I peg them as not liking me when in actuality they do. Just keep taking action until a girl gives a firm no.

 

[pks391]

Hey im from India.....i havent tried all the things ive read on GC but ive changed my life a lot through thr advice posted on the site....

 

[Grand Pooba]

Chase has mentioned (somewhere) that learning to seduce women, bring them into relationships, and manage those relationships may very well be the hardest task(s) you'll ever have to complete in your life. If it was easy, then guys wouldn't really need this forum -- or possibly this website -- to accomplish it.

You can find this in the intro to the GC book "How to Make Girls Chase."

 

[windsofchange]

Speaking from my own experiences here:

Initially, I came across GC to fix a specific issue, thinking it would help me at that specific moment. It didn't. But after some years of lurking, reading, experimenting, I've noticed a drastic change in my life. Not the whole getting laid with multiple women or many women on a regular basis, but more the realization I could live like a man, taking risks, not giving a f*ck, facing rejection and pressing on, etc.

Although I can't prescribe all the changes to GC, it definitely had a role to play in the changes.

 

[ericj5592]

My personal experiences are different from everyone elses, I had such a fucked up mind that I needed to fix before trying to talk to people and girls. There were specific articles that helped my mind, like getting out of depression and anxiety without medication. And life purpose article shook me and made me think about a purpose in life. The comment sections gave insightful thoughts like Mind over Matter and how Michael Jordan might've used or accessed his hypothalamus to increase his height, and how Chase Amante healed some facial scars just by thinking alone. I changed my live with this site, and the articles here helped me more than any other website or YouTube videos.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Chase really knows his stuff, I found his guides such as how to stop being creepy to be very helpful to me in the long run as I was susceptible to doing a lot of that stuff. So far the site has been a great guide for me because I find it to be better than just PUA, it is more real, but on the other hand it isn't all dark and bitter like the stuff you see on red pill either. I also like the fact that the site hasn't gotten too big (no offense chase), I feel like if it overflowed in traffic then the quality on the forums would go down. I've changed my life but it hasn't been due to this site alone, though the site has had an impact on it.

 

[FeelIWastedMyYouth]

I feel not fapping for a while has really helped me

 

[uForia]

I took a hiatus from all this because I realized I have too much schoolwork in my university. I found myself spending 80 hours a week on schoolwork and such so women took a backseat in my life. And women here don't turn me on (Yes, it's that bad considering I'm 20 and I should get a boner for any girl). I will tell you that whenever I do get a chance to platonically talk to a girl though, some of them do give signs of attraction, so there is definitely a change there. It's me that is not too attracted so I just don't really feel like escalating or anything. My career in the future is too important to me. And here's also the thing with life in general.

Men tend to want women during their 20s and want money during their 30s. However, the best time to accumulate money is during your 20s (Due to compound interesting) and you'll get more bang for the buck for women in your 30s since you naturally look more mature and have more money to spend (wisely) in the sexual marketplace. I'm just doing the logical thing on focusing on my career now and start focusing more on women once I get out of this miserable university.

 

[FeelIWastedMyYouth]

I took a hiatus from all this because I realized I have too much schoolwork in my university. I found myself spending 80 hours a week on schoolwork and such so women took a backseat in my life. And women here don't turn me on (Yes, it's that bad considering I'm 20 and I should get a boner for any girl). I will tell you that whenever I do get a chance to platonically talk to a girl though, some of them do give signs of attraction, so there is definitely a change there. It's me that is not too attracted so I just don't really feel like escalating or anything. My career in the future is too important to me. And here's also the thing with life in general.

Men tend to want women during their 20s and want money during their 30s. However, the best time to accumulate money is during your 20s (Due to compound interesting) and you'll get more bang for the buck for women in your 30s since you naturally look more mature and have more money to spend (wisely) in the sexual marketplace. I'm just doing the logical thing on focusing on my career now and start focusing more on women once I get out of this miserable university.

ya, and I guess that's another reason why it is argued that men are more attractive in their 30's than they were in their 20's on average, because since they don't want women as much, it's a strange annoying paradox but it's like when you don't want a woman, they tend to be interested in you more, it's a paradox since us guys are expected to do the pursuing actively, it feels like damned if you do, damned if you don't.