How much difference does physique make?

[sneaky_charm]

Hope you're doing well!

So the question is quite self-explanatory. How much difference does male body make really in seduction?

Suppose there are 4 guys who have the same weight of 5'9". However, each has different body structure.

1. Very skinny, about 110 pounds, which is underweight
2. Has a good weight of 160 pounds, but doesn't go to the gym
3. Weighs about 200 pounds, quite fat
4. Has a great body, weighs 170 pounds

So if all other things are equal, like voice, eye contact, posture, verbal game etc. then how will

1. 1 compare to 4
2. 2 compare to 4
3. 3 compare to 4

I just want to know how much difference body really makes? Anyone got from fat to muscular, or from skinny to muscular? If yes, how much difference did you notice in reception from women after getting muscular?

- Kevin

 

[Drck]

It all depends. For example, she might be going to fitness all the time, running and swimming, so most likely she will be seeking guy with similar interests (meaning fatty won't be too attractive to her). She might be in her early 20's so for her "skinny" can be desirable, but once she gets to 30's she might be looking for somebody who is more "solid" looking. Another thing is, she might meet a guy who has a good figure so she is quite attracted at first, but then she realizes he has no personality, so she dumps him for someone who doesn't have figure at all but has much more personality. You can have a guy who is 220 pounds but who is much healthier than 160 pounds guy. So it all depends...

Another big factor is confidence. Confidence is huge. If a guy is muscular with 220 pounds he will easily intimidate guys who are 160 pounds. If you have 160 pounds you will need a lot of confidence to stand up against 220 pounds, whereas the 220 pounds guy won't even notice you. This is my own experience, I just know it because I am around 215-220 pounds with decent muscle mass, solid, and when I am around 160-180 pounds guys I am just much stronger. I can lift much more weights, I am more flexible, I have couple of years of martial art experience, and I can probably outrun most of them too. Many guys would probably think that the physical part doesn't count, but that is a huge mistake. It counts a lot, you just can't be typical meat head. Build some muscle mass, show confidence, put into it some personality - your attraction will shoot up and you won't really have much competition...

It is also a lot about first impression. Your body is talking, not you. You can be 170 pounds and physically weak, or you can be 170 pounds and very strong (meaning you can be very strong without having muscle mass). If you exercise you look healthier and you are healthier. You are more solid, you stand up more straight. You don't look girly, you look masculine. Masculine is always attractive, no matter what they say in magazines written by pussies for pussies. You are less depressed and more positive. By exercising you keep your brain more oxygenated, which is good for your overall mental function. By being strong physically you are also being stronger mentally, both of these go hand in hand. By exercising you show that you care about yourself, that is also huge. You show that you are motivated, determined and disciplined. If you do strength exercises (e.g. lifting weights) you are also releasing a lot of testosterone and adrenaline into your blood stream. Those are hormones women crave for, and they can literally smell it in your sweat...

So it is just not about lifting stupid weights for no reason, by having some muscle mass you are sending out huge amount of body language, which most women can read quite well...

Don't just look at number of pounds, look at what are these pounds talking about...

 

[Franco]

sneaky,

Suppose there are 4 guys who have the same weight of 5'9". However, each has different body structure.

1. Very skinny, about 110 pounds, which is underweight
2. Has a good weight of 160 pounds, but doesn't go to the gym
3. Weighs about 200 pounds, quite fat
4. Has a great body, weighs 170 pounds

So if all other things are equal, like voice, eye contact, posture, verbal game etc. then how will

1. 1 compare to 4
2. 2 compare to 4
3. 3 compare to 4

Assuming all OTHER attributes are equal (or just assuming that you are talking about the same person except at different heights and weights), then number 4 is obviously superior to all of them. Fundamentals and body physique still play a strong role in attraction, and they are modifiable attributes if you put in the work to improve them. In seduction, it's mostly about increasing your hit rate with women, and increasing your hit rate with the more attractive women. The more you can do to make yourself a better-looking guy, the higher your hit rate will be with those girls.

The reason I use the term "hit rate" is that it is very possible for a guy who is 110 lbs to pick up an extremely attractive girl, just like it's very possible for a 200 lbs guy to pick one up as well. The difference is that the hit rate will be much lower for those two guys as opposed to the guy who is 170 lbs, fit, and in taking care of his looks. He'll be able to more consistently land the type of girls he's attracted to, assuming he also has verbal game, a process, etc.

It's up to you whether or not you want to increase your physical physique to help attract women; you certainly don't have to do it. Just know that the more work you put into your physique, the better your chances are of succeeding with women.

- Franco

 

[Drck]

The average weight of men over 20 years old in USA is 195 pounds these days (I'm not talking about ideal weight). 170 pounds could be considered rather skinny, 25 pounds less than average.

If you look around you see lots of attractive women going out with guys who are just "average" in weight, meaning who have around 200 pounds, or even have extra pounds. I'm really hesitant to believe that hit rate is higher for guys who are 170 pounds; that might be true for younger girls, say early 20's, but I just don't see it in in older group (say early 30's) as most guys (and girls) are packing pounds.

As I mentioned before, there is also a huge difference between having 195-200 pounds of pure fat or pure muscle mass. The whole thing with weight should be put in perspective, for example having too much muscles (body builder) is probably as repulsive as being ripped for a lot of women, whereas being "average" is just fine for most. We can of course debate what does "average" really mean, and there is no conclusion anyway because it is all relative.

Another thing is, there are huge differences in between what women say they want, and what they really do.

For example, many women say they want nice guy, someone who is more cute. Then they go and fuck their brains off with some asshole.

Many women say they want skinny guy. But then you go out and you see attractive women with guys who are not skinny at all, they are at least 200 pounds, and no muscle mass...

 

[Franco]

Drck,

The average weight of men over 20 years old in USA is 195 pounds these days (I'm not talking about ideal weight). 170 pounds could be considered rather skinny, 25 pounds less than average.

If you look around you see lots of attractive women going out with guys who are just "average" in weight, meaning who have around 200 pounds, or even have extra pounds. I'm really hesitant to believe that hit rate is higher for guys who are 170 pounds; that might be true for younger girls, say early 20's, but I just don't see it in in older group (say early 30's) as most guys (and girls) are packing pounds.

I was going off of sneaky's example and assuming the 200 lbs guy was fat. Of course, what matters more is your muscle vs. fat ratio. If you're 150 lbs. and muscular/toned, you can pick up elite women. If you're 200 lbs and muscular/toned, you can also pick up elite women.

In general, "muscular > skinny > fat" in terms of attraction, regardless of weight.

- Franco

 

[Drck]

Yea, it is all relative. Short ugly and fat guy with great personality can nail more women than nice looking fit guy with average personality.

Having more mass, especially muscle mass is attractive for similar reason like being tall. The guy naturally takes more space, thus looks more dominant. Being stronger and bigger than she is (and than other guys are) has effect on her primitive brain, she feels more protected and safer by being around him....

 

[sneaky_charm]

It all depends. For example, she might be going to fitness all the time, running and swimming, so most likely she will be seeking guy with similar interests (meaning fatty won't be too attractive to her). She might be in her early 20's so for her "skinny" can be desirable, but once she gets to 30's she might be looking for somebody who is more "solid" looking.

This is something I totally forgot to consider, thanks for reminding!

Many guys would probably think that the physical part doesn't count, but that is a huge mistake. It counts a lot, you just can't be typical meat head. Build some muscle mass, show confidence, put into it some personality - your attraction will shoot up and you won't really have much competition...

I'm actually in Asia right now, so don't know the US situation much. Can you approximately say what percentage of guys in the US actually look fit, regardless of height? I'm not talking about perfect abs with shirts off, I'm talking abut fit-looking with clothes on. Is it somewhere around 10 in 100 or 20 in 100, or less or more?

Masculine is always attractive, no matter what they say in magazines written by pussies for pussies.

Totally agree. When I go out with my face shaved, I rarely get much attention, but with proper facial hair, mostly I get a lot of attention.

Fundamentals and body physique still play a strong role in attraction

Can you say how the reception is going to change when a guy becomes fit. For instance, suppose when he is fat, most girls just talk politely with him, and rarely give out numbers, but when he is fit, the moment he approaches girls, the girls do almost whatever is asked for. I'm just looking for something to compare.

Actually, I'm a bit underweight, and I gained a few pounds a few months back, and saw a noticeable difference in reception. For instance, girls were looking at me more, even older girls were checking me out etc. Even with the gained weight I was below average for my height, still I saw a spike in attraction, and I am talking about just 8 pounds or so. Considering that, how will I be possibly received by girls when I get totally fit compared to now that I am underweight? Some examples would be nice!

It's up to you whether or not you want to increase your physical physique to help attract women; you certainly don't have to do it. Just know that the more work you put into your physique, the better your chances are of succeeding with women.

I'm definitely going to work on it. But I decided to ask this question because the process will take many months, and I just want to know how my life will be after becoming fit. I was actually looking for stories like 'When I was fat/skinny, most girls didn't want to meet up after number close, but once I got fit, my first date ratio skyrocketed etc. etc.' I know it's kind of lame, but I just want to have an idea regarding how much difference does looks make in terms of reception. That is, with real-life or hypothetical examples. Hope that makes sense!

- Kevin

 

[Franco]

sneaky,

I'm actually in Asia right now, so don't know the US situation much. Can you approximately say what percentage of guys in the US actually look fit, regardless of height? I'm not talking about perfect abs with shirts off, I'm talking abut fit-looking with clothes on. Is it somewhere around 10 in 100 or 20 in 100, or less or more?

It varies vastly depending on region. There are tons of guys in San Diego and Miami that look like Abercrombie models, and in general, guys tend to be more fit that live by the beach. However, the U.S. in general is an "obese" country, and there are plenty of really fat people in smaller towns or suburban neighborhoods. I find beach towns and big cities to be the best in terms of the overall physical fitness of both men and women.

Can you say how the reception is going to change when a guy becomes fit. For instance, suppose when he is fat, most girls just talk politely with him, and rarely give out numbers, but when he is fit, the moment he approaches girls, the girls do almost whatever is asked for. I'm just looking for something to compare.

You're looking for concrete answers/numbers to questions that have a lot of variance. A guy who is extremely-good looking could be terrible with moving things forward with women and not have much success at all, yet a guy who is overweight might have a great personality around women and tend to get more number-closes than the average guy. It all depends.

All I can really say is that the number of girls who will take immediate interest in you will go up if you become fit. It is still your job from there to capitalize on the interest and make something happen.

- Franco