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Cro-Magnon Man
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When I go out looking to pick up girls, I go out and I always can't help but feel nervous. I get that its natural, but this nervousness keeps me from approaching girls early, and then I start to get discouraged. This only makes things worse. I've heard people talk a lot about getting in a "state" when they go out, and I'm wondering if this might help me. Anyone have any advice to overcome this?
 

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State is really important when you go out to meet girls, for sure. Before I leave the house, I always put myself in a state of absolute certainty. Personally, this entails picturing the perfect scenario in my head, with every minor detail, from the time I spot the girl, to pre-opening, opening, having a fantastic conversation, and then pulling her number/closing. I'll do this about 10 times with a different girl in a different place in my head before I head out.

The other important thing to remember is the "snowball" effect. If you find yourself not approaching any women early (losing), your testosterone will lower, and so will the chances of you talking to anyone. But if you perceive yourself as winning (getting a few words in with a girl) in the beginning of your outing, then your testosterone will rise, and so will the quality of your interactions. It's like social momentum, but it really goes both ways. Like, success momentum. That always gets me past my nervousness in the beginning; knowing that if I don't take the first or second chance that I get, that I'm screwed for the rest of the outing.

Hope this helps, brother
Jake
 

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Cro-Magnon Man
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I guess it just depends on the night for me. Either I'll be on point and confident or I'll be moping and depressed. I'm trying to move away from that, but I'm just not sure how right now.
 

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cccrunner said:
I guess it just depends on the night for me. Either I'll be on point and confident or I'll be moping and depressed. I'm trying to move away from that, but I'm just not sure how right now.

I can definitely relate. I didn't feel like going out this Friday, but I remember Chase saying go out even if you don't feel like it because you never know what could happen. I was alone so I had no friends to build social momentum up, and my state was all jacked up.

I ended up leaning against the bar or sitting in a chair and not opening anyone. A few cougars ended up sitting by me and commented how bored I looked. I chatted with them for the rest of the night and had an alright time, but I've got to improve in this area too.
 
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To be candid, there is no other way to deal with this nervousness, other than to realize that getting over social anxiety and developing ability to talk to new women comes from raw experience. Going out there and just starting conversations. Realizing that it is ok to talk to strangers, and that it is totally normal to talk to women, not some special, elevated procedure or grandiose process. They're just human beings. You have to realize and get into your head that they have the same kinds of thoughts, feelings, desires, hopes, dreams, etc. You just have to hold your breath and jump into it.

Start small. Say good morning or hello to the barista/cashier when you get your coffee. Greet people, make warm eye contact with people as you pass by on the street. Make innocuous small talk. Or don't. Be genuinely interested in people and develop a curiosity to learn more. Become more social overall in general. Practice the habit of meeting new people, making light and simple conversation. Then gradually, as you become more comfortable pushing your 'edge', increase the intensity of the little goals you set for yourself. Make it rewarding. Have fun. It's not work. It shouldn't be. Although it can be tough, before you can start expressing yourself in the right ways to the opposite sex, you need to know how to communicate with people in general. Women are people too. They respond to men who are socially savvy and know how to communicate properly, not only on a verbal/conversational level, but also on a intuitive, nonverbal level as well.

Incremental improvements. Small steps. But always pushing yourself.
 

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J.J. said:
To be candid, there is no other way to deal with this nervousness, other than to realize that getting over social anxiety and developing ability to talk to new women comes from raw experience. Going out there and just starting conversations. Realizing that it is ok to talk to strangers, and that it is totally normal to talk to women, not some special, elevated procedure or grandiose process. They're just human beings. You have to realize and get into your head that they have the same kinds of thoughts, feelings, desires, hopes, dreams, etc. You just have to hold your breath and jump into it.

Start small. Say good morning or hello to the barista/cashier when you get your coffee. Greet people, make warm eye contact with people as you pass by on the street. Make innocuous small talk. Or don't. Be genuinely interested in people and develop a curiosity to learn more. Become more social overall in general. Practice the habit of meeting new people, making light and simple conversation. Then gradually, as you become more comfortable pushing your 'edge', increase the intensity of the little goals you set for yourself. Make it rewarding. Have fun. It's not work. It shouldn't be. Although it can be tough, before you can start expressing yourself in the right ways to the opposite sex, you need to know how to communicate with people in general. Women are people too. They respond to men who are socially savvy and know how to communicate properly, not only on a verbal/conversational level, but also on a intuitive, nonverbal level as well.

Incremental improvements. Small steps. But always pushing yourself.

+1, well put.
 

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Some great advice in this thread already. Just one thing to add here, Runner-

cccrunner said:
When I go out looking to pick up girls, I go out and I always can't help but feel nervous. I get that its natural, but this nervousness keeps me from approaching girls early, and then I start to get discouraged. This only makes things worse. I've heard people talk a lot about getting in a "state" when they go out, and I'm wondering if this might help me. Anyone have any advice to overcome this?

I spent a number of outings like this early on, until I adopted the mindset that every day or night I was going out was either:

  • Exploration, or
  • Going out and gaming

If I was out for exploration, I was off the hook on opening, because the purpose was checking out somewhere new to see what the crowd was like and if I was feeling it. If the circumstances were right or I got in the mood, I'd get to meeting girls on these outings too, but not always.

If I was out purely to meet women, I had to start opening new girls as soon as possible, because I didn't want to end up having a dead night where I found myself mired in standing alone for too long. Go to a bar and hang out by yourself for an hour and it's almost impossible to start opening. But if you start talking to girls on the street, waiting for the train, in the line outside the club, and as soon as you get inside - you're already off to the races and the hardest part of the night (getting going) is done.

My philosophy for starting out, then, became this: if you're going out to meet girls, get meeting them as soon as you possibly can... unless you want to risk one of those frustrating nights where you stand around staring at the wall all night.

Chase
 

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I do have a similar problem, as I fear making a fool out of myself, as I know almost everyone around where I am.
 

Verisimilitude

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This is great advice, thanks guys. I think starting early and getting in a social mood with help me immensely.
 
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