how one of my wings is getting laid like crazy during quarantine...

[Skills]

Guys we are going to have a lit of fun in the forum, too much bickering lately.....Here is a list of SOME of my wings, now one of them has been getting laid like crazy since quarantine (actually quarantine has help him get laid more, and it totally makes sense), i will make this post fun, so first i am going to introduce you to my wings, as you read the post, you will tell me which one do you think it is....... And this is someone i know, is true, so is not bs, he has camaras everywhere so i actually saw some videos(he refuses for me to interview him live, i am dying too)....

First some of my wings:


The pros with cash are:

– Super charismatic

– Gets a lot of hot girls

– Really good natural Player

The cons are:

– Needs alcohol to game

– Does not work well as a team and since we are both alpha dogs we tend to get into fights

– Like to diss me in front of women (this is the worst thing a wing can do)

– Jealousy issues (if I do good and he does not he will try to sabotage my success)

– Drug dealer ( I found this out recently, fuck my life!)

With that being said this guy is a joy to look at operating on the field and extremely confident, 2 weeks ago we pull together 2 girls but with cash, nothing is smooth is always chaotic, we lost the lays due to wait wait wait… Fucking cash and his stupidity.(Drugs and the girl he was with freaked out)

Flash

Flash is a professional boxer he is about 6’1″ ripped, runner look, he does dance floor game, but he has retired lately. But back in the days he was pretty good.(He is feature in one of the stories in my book)

Pros:

– Dance floor game

– Approaches any women (no approach anxiety on the dance floor)

– Got a lot of girls

– Very Outcome independent

Cons:

– Always had girlfriend drama

– Lack of dance floor game fundamentals

– Stubborn

– Really bad street game

– Victim mentality

– Me and him like the same type of girl (this causes problems)

The Chef

This dude is a neighbor of my ex-main of 10 years, he is a lifestyle coach and he knows about pick up and the community. I met him through my lawyer neighbor that told him about me and he saw me at a club, here is one of the tales from the club were I talk about him:

Pros:

– He approaches women on the street and has no approach anxiety.

– very positive dude

– always wanting to learn and good at taking criticism

Cons:

– Most of his lays come from online game

– Happy with “phone numbers”

– lack of club game fundamentals

– waste too much time getting drinks, cigarette breaks etc…

The Turkish

This dude is the creepiest dude ever, but he gets laid, he is very aggressive, does a bit dance floor, dress really nice. He basically is a cheerleader in other words when women dance he goes “yeahhhhhhh” and claps and shit like that (I do some of this, but he does it to the extreme). His game is not too strong, but he is ok.

Pros

– Super Aggressive

Cons

– Heavy accent and minimal game. (his game is caveman shit)



The cousin (primo)

This dude I met through his sister (his sister is a lesbian from my Latin country, she is one of the best players I have ever seen, of course she has an advantage of being a lesbian). In one of the tales from the club, I was competing with the sister for an “Ariana grande look alike” that had a boyfriend which I knew (big mess). I out gamed her and I got the girl… Now, primo is loaded (rich) he is an app programmer and me and him vibe good (NO HOMO). I wonder if is because we are from the same Latin country, but this dude is as of now the best wing I have encounter, in my search for a wing…

Pros:

– Amazing verbal game (good with the calibration, wit, teasing, come backs)

– Dress really nice and peacocks with hat.

– We complement each other really good when gaming. (the game chemistry is there and we help each other and flows smoothly)

– Big ass mansion to bring the girls back

– High lay count and gets laid a lot

– Gets super hot girls (8-10s)

– He listens to criticism and learns fast

– Knows all the parties and hot spots to be were women are.

– I can literally walk to his house (we live that close to each other which is amazing)

– Gets everywhere for free just like me.

Cons:

– He has self-image issues due to his height (he is 5’6″)

– Having too much money (yep money fucks a bit with the fundamentals, for example he buys women drinks)

-Gets into relationships (serial monogamist)

– too hard on himself if he does not pull

- a bit feminine at times energy....



So guess who has been fucking 2 girls every night:

i have been getting a lot of girls, a lot a lot


i have like ten days in a row that i fucked two different girls a day,


all the girls i've been friends with in the last few years


they wanna party hang out drink ride the ski do anything... then one thing leads to another

quarantine has made everything blow up on my end

more than half the new girls i fucked in since mid march have helped me in the past to fuck a girl. they talk about how good the sex was with each other and then the friend wants to experience it with feedback like that and the familiarity growing as friends, when the time is right... they will be down eventually

woke up with a girl i took her virginity today, had another girl i took her virginity come over for lunch, then this tiny tiny girl with the tightest pussy i've felt in a minute is mad with me cause i ignored her lol

had parties every night for two weeks straight after clubs shut down
me and 15+ girls every night

i have like 150 girls that see any snap i post
they see us party then say "where's myyyyy invite"
hen i invite next time

 

[Train]

The primo. I think. Whoever it is, I'm super jealous of, hahaha

 

[Skills]

The primo. I think. Whoever it is, I'm super jealous of, hahaha

yes!

 

[Rakkum]

– Gets everywhere for free just like me.

How does that work?

 

[Velasco]

 

[Skills]

what is surprising on what he was telling me is that the generation z girls don't give a fuck about corona... they don't care... He doesn't care either... no masks

Are you guys finding the same???

 

[Toby2030]

what is surprising on what he was telling me is that the generation z girls don't give a fuck about corona... they don't care... He doesn't care either... no masks

Are you guys finding the same???

I 100% agree. The girls in my generation don't give a fuck about corona at all. It's even worse for people a little younger than me.

 

[FunGuy]

That cash dude is gonna end up getting you into some shit. I know people who have gotten set-up and almost killed by hanging out with people like him. One minute they are your friend, but the next second they plotting to do some shit to you, or their already spreading shit behind your back.

How is primo organizing these parties? Is he sending out texts or is he doing it through social media?

 

[Skills]

That cash dude is gonna end up getting you into some shit. I know people who have gotten set-up and almost killed by hanging out with people like him. One minute they are your friend, but the next second they plotting to do some shit to you, or their already spreading shit behind your back.

How is primo organizing these parties? Is he sending out texts or is he doing it through social media?

I usually don't go to his parties, just like teevester hate online, i hate this type of Dan Balzirian light game for me is no game(though it is just personal opinion it is not congruent with me)... o pry would love this dude.. But, people steal small stuff from his place every now and then, but now he has camaras all over the place...

pre club parties and after club parties....

then snap chat women see the fun and then want part of it, he invetes them next time, tyler had a video back in the days doing similar...

Edit.- i just asked him, he said one to one text, never a public post.... Public is the snaps not the invites

"only to girls i've known about 9months to about 3+ years as they invite their female friends"

 

[YS.]

Hey Skills, I have a question for you.

From what you've written some of your wings are bad news. (Cash and Turkish) I always tried to get these people out of my life ASAP. The issue is these people have their uses too. I'm thinking if I should do some sort of compromise or not...

Recently I've met with a guy who has relatively good game. Which is disgustingly rare in these parts of the world. Direct street game, kinda romantic, good looking, great vibe, very sexual/hypnotic voice. He told me he really worked hard on his voice and it shows.

Cons;

- No off button. I feel like the dude is trying to game/dominate everyone all the time. Kinda feels like how Neil Strauss portrayed Tyler in the Game. Like everything is a frame battle. I never feel like he is a "friend" and always feel guarded near him.
- Validation crazed. This guy absolutely crumbles with rejections and thinks he is God the moment a girl likes him. Very rigid in his game style.
- Kinda has dark energy & scarcity mentality. This scares the shit out of me honestly. He has that hungry rapid dog vibe.
- Very confrontational and we almost came to blows a few times. I think I am the only person in his life who stands up to him but he is always super testy. Wants people to bow down to him. He used to be a leader of a small PU group locally. I've seen how he talks to the people who look up to him. It looks like he gains state from talking down to people, having followers, etc.
- He always wants to be the top dog and can't stand I'm higher status than him in most places we go. Jealousy/menvy issues.Always tries to undermine me at some point. So far no cigar, I kept it in check but it feels like I have to win a battle all the time instead of having a friend to count on. It really made the going out sessions not as enjoyable.

I think he has good intentions but really fucked up habits/personality. The guy just feels so toxic but he's useful with a good skillset.

What do you think about people like this? Do you keep them around? (It looks like you do.)
And if so, what are your thoughts about it, how do you manage the relationship?

 

[Velasco]

Recently I've met with a guy who has relatively good game. Which is disgustingly rare in these parts of the world.

Guys with good game are rare everywhere. So sometimes you'll have to take the bad with the good. By Skill's lack of pros and cons on turkish, I'm going to assume that's his least favorite wing, so he can stand to drop him if he wants. And Cash is his main/favorite wing who's generally a cool guy to hang out with (especially since one of them recently retired and Primo's more social circle than cold approacher).

sincerely,

a toxic wing

 

[Skills]

Hey Skills, I have a question for you.

From what you've written some of your wings are bad news. (Cash and Turkish) I always tried to get these people out of my life ASAP. The issue is these people have their uses too. I'm thinking if I should do some sort of compromise or not...

Recently I've met with a guy who has relatively good game. Which is disgustingly rare in these parts of the world. Direct street game, kinda romantic, good looking, great vibe, very sexual/hypnotic voice. He told me he really worked hard on his voice and it shows.

Cons;

- No off button. I feel like the dude is trying to game/dominate everyone all the time. Kinda feels like how Neil Strauss portrayed Tyler in the Game. Like everything is a frame battle. I never feel like he is a "friend" and always feel guarded near him.
- Validation crazed. This guy absolutely crumbles with rejections and thinks he is God the moment a girl likes him. Very rigid in his game style.
- Kinda has dark energy & scarcity mentality. This scares the shit out of me honestly. He has that hungry rapid dog vibe.
- Very confrontational and we almost came to blows a few times. I think I am the only person in his life who stands up to him but he is always super testy. Wants people to bow down to him. He used to be a leader of a small PU group locally. I've seen how he talks to the people who look up to him. It looks like he gains state from talking down to people, having followers, etc.
- He always wants to be the top dog and can't stand I'm higher status than him in most places we go. Jealousy/menvy issues.Always tries to undermine me at some point. So far no cigar, I kept it in check but it feels like I have to win a battle all the time instead of having a friend to count on. It really made the going out sessions not as enjoyable.

I think he has good intentions but really fucked up habits/personality. The guy just feels so toxic but useful with a good skillset.

What do you think about people like this? Do you keep them around? (It looks like you do.)
And if so, what are your thoughts about it, how do you manage the relationship?

Yes that is not a good wing, i personally have never found a good wing, those guys i try and it did not work out, i still from time to time hang out with primo but is very difficult to do so, his style and sexy stereotype is like a hefner type.... my style is more scumbag type so we barely hang now, he is more like social circle, i am more cold approach.... So he goes to the club and gets a table with hookah and drinks, does pre-parties and after parties he has no problem spending 500 a night..... So it kind of bothers me his style, i like the sport of cold approaching and shit (i know it sounds retarded) but is what i like... Sometimes after the club i do pull to his house, but i hate that game too at times, cause is like too many distractions, poll, jaccussy, he even has a stripper pole in the middle of the house etc...

having a wing is very difficult, you both need to be in sync, be in the same rythem at the point of seduction, one screws up it will fuck up the other, and the other will get cock block...

Here is teevester so you can get a clear view of the right wing:

I can only talk for me and Pelusita since we usually are the one teaming up. Back in July, when we went out in stockholm we were actually practicing doubles. By doubles I mean when pelusita and I go in together. No tandem, only double-wingmanning. It requires a lot of calibration. If my girls is not fully into me, pelusita will fail despite his girl liking him, and vice versa. If he fucks up, I fuck up, and same goes if i fuck up and he fucks up.

We also have to reach somewhat a similar vibe in order to not burst each others social frame. We need to escalate more or less at the same time and pull at the same time

Here is how Pelusita and I role:
- Enter a guestlist club without being on a guestlist, and without being confronted about it.
- We meet the club photographer, takes pics of us and offers us free drink, with his brother who is the dj of another cool venue
- Pelusita approaches 2 gorgeous women and hooks. He gets to do body shots from one of the girl's titties and kisses the girl right after. I get invited to do the same with the friend who was equally hot. .
- I head outside for a bit, approached a 2 set... I hook one of them, manage to make her DUMP her friend and made her suggest leaving the club together and go home with me. I said goodbye to pelusita who at the time was busy with the 2 first girls, but had trouble isolating the chick - time elapsed - 1 hour.
- I go home, bang my chick, she falls asleep and I dress up again, head to this other club and meet up with pelusita again.
- We manage to make pelusita pull this hot icelandic cheerleeder who had 5 annoying friends. I dealt with them while pablo dealt with resistance from hell. He pulled, I went home to my chick.

This is how we roll. We do it all the way. No bullshit, no excuses, no nothing. Just warrior style.

Girls eye fucking a guy is cool, but far from having her suck his dick. It is just a first steps. You know he could have banged her? No you don't. No matter how attracted or fascinated a girl is by a guy, it does not mean she would neceseraly fuck him - quite the opposite, sometimes it can become an LMR trigger.

Additionally...
- Wildcards can show up
- You got to take care of logistics
- You have to escalate the process
- You have to deal with potential resistance.

chase has a post on wings: http://www.girlschase.com/content/5-effective-ways-pick-girls-wingman

 

[Skills]

Guys with good game are rare everywhere. So sometimes you'll have to take the bad with the good. By Skill's lack of pros and cons on turkish, I'm going to assume that's his least favorite wing, so he can stand to drop him if he wants. And Cash is his main/favorite wing who's generally a cool guy to hang out with (especially since one of them recently retired and Primo's more social circle than cold approacher).

sincerely,

a toxic wing

Velasco you know me more than i know me now, i am getting scare lol... ^ this is right went out with him twice.... and the horrible thing about clubs i was banging a girl we got into convo she show me pictures of an ex, and it was............ him ( i almost threw up, with his weak caveman shit)

 

[LouisVuitton]

The superficial things are of much higher value right now. Girls aren’t gonna meet just anyone. But if you have a pool, a boat, or really good looks your advantage just increases infinitely. Hopefully it goes back to normal. Probably only the top 5% of single guys are getting laid. Hopefully most of us are here at least. Would be hard to be average right now.

 

[Skills]

This is a cool thread you've got going @Skills

From the OP it is clear to me and probably lots of other members too. . . that you are a very good wing. Who can adapt and calibrate your game in tune with other seducers for the sake of pragmatism. In my experience this is even rarer in the community today. . . than skilled seducers themselves.

Now there are some frustrations you mentioned. . . regarding the lack of calibration from some of your wings. I have faced similar experiences like these over the years. But have you ever considered using influence and persuasion. . . to radically change the infield behavior patterns of your wings?

This is not an easy thing to do. It can take lots of time and effort. But I have done it myself. . . and what often happens is your wings become much better at seducing women and may even thank you for this. . . if they actually notice what you did. The main reason I suggest this is because as @Velasco pointed out above. . . meeting a skilled seducer is rare. But a man whose game naturally and instantly complements yours is super fucking rare.

I have tried that and is kind of exhausting and free coaching(in fairness i have tried in the past)... On my experience after years of wings, solo wins for me, meaning i meet them at the club and we all do our thing, so interdependent gaming... Let me give you an example, do you know how hard would be for me to influence cash to stop drinking, and to stop with the drug dealing lol.... I know based on what i read you go out with community guys (tried that too, and i constantly feel like i am auditioning, also exhausting)...

 

[LouisVuitton]

I have tried that and is kind of exhausting and free coaching(in fairness i have tried in the past)... On my experience after years of wings, solo wins for me, meaning i meet them at the club and we all do our thing, so interdependent gaming... Let me give you an example, do you know how hard would be for me to influence cash to stop drinking, and to stop with the drug dealing lol.... I know based on what i read you go out with community guys (tried that too, and i constantly feel like i am auditioning, also exhausting)...

I’ve tried to mold my wings into what I wanted. I realized they’re my friends, and I need to accept them for their flaws, not change them to suit me. My best friend and I do not wing well together. It is rare that we open girls together and pull them both. Except for closing time, when we will pull together.

The solution I found was we go out together and have drinks together. But we don’t stay together the entire night. It makes pulling really easy when we both have a girl at the end of the night.

Solo works best for me anyway. So this type of winging works. During the bar were solo. At the end of the night we wing together. This is much better than being the Lone Ranger at closing time. Gaming outside the bar alone can get you a bad reputation with the door staff if you frequent the same venues. White knight doormen find duos less creepy.

The best wing I ever had looked like Ben Affleck but had pretty bad game, compared to someone who has worked on theirs. Because of his looks he had pretty good game and confidence naturally. But nothing special. Opening went so smooth because he was so good looking. But I was so much more interesting within five minutes the entire set would be more interested in me. I never tried to mold him but eventually he wanted to know what he was doing wrong. I gave him like five tips of things to change and he was better than me immediately. But we always made a good team. Had a falling out not related to game and I miss him as a wing. He was an asshole in real life though.

 

[Skills]

Yeah I know how that feels. It is exhausting.

I really don't like losing lays because of wings as part of my lifestyle though. So that's how I rationalize this decision to myself. My two regular wings were both drug dealers when I met them. . . they don't do that anymore. Both got really into RSD too. . . now they run the 3 keys better than most.

While I do game with other community guys. . . I did not meet these two guys from the community. We just went to the same college. Ran into each other at parties and college bars. One thing led to another. You may remember them on sedfast. . . it was me who suggested they post about their journeys.

Yes i remember them... I also feel awkward talking a lot about game in the field...I try to avoid seduction convos... but hey good points... Believe it or not the primo knows about mm... I did have couple of guys that were into game, one i call cuban jacket who heavily relies on ai, and then another dude that was kind of aspie (this one actually got better but it was annoying texting me too much)... They were both ok, but again i don't like talking game much in the field...

 

[Skills]

I’ve tried to mold my wings into what I wanted. I realized they’re my friends, and I need to accept them for their flaws, not change them to suit me. My best friend and I do not wing well together. It is rare that we open girls together and pull them both. Except for closing time, when we will pull together.

The solution I found was we go out together and have drinks together. But we don’t stay together the entire night. It makes pulling really easy when we both have a girl at the end of the night.

Solo works best for me anyway. So this type of winging works. During the bar were solo. At the end of the night we wing together. This is much better than being the Lone Ranger at closing time. Gaming outside the bar alone can get you a bad reputation with the door staff if you frequent the same venues. White knight doormen find duos less creepy.

The best wing I ever had looked like Ben Affleck but had pretty bad game, compared to someone who has worked on theirs. Because of his looks he had pretty good game and confidence naturally. But nothing special. Opening went so smooth because he was so good looking. But I was so much more interesting within five minutes the entire set would be more interested in me. I never tried to mold him but eventually he wanted to know what he was doing wrong. I gave him like five tips of things to change and he was better than me immediately. But we always made a good team. Had a falling out not related to game and I miss him as a wing. He was an asshole in real life though.

When i say solo, is i go to the clubs, wings are there vs planning to meet and hang out with them all night, i do my thing, and we kind of hang out...

 

[LouisVuitton]

Yeah talking about game while infield is almost guaranteed to mess up your game.

It's a different experience when we sit down to write a forum post. Or have a group chat to analyse interactions. . . after the fact. Or even talk about last nights seductions. . . over a dinner on Sunday. But yeah, I'm starting to feel like I'm derailing this cool thread. Not my intention at all.

Is this something you’ve done? Talked about game/pua in set? Would be like telling a girl “I fuck women constantly.” Very low value bragging like that. If she finds out on her own it’s another story.

When a girl finds out you’re a player by accident it’s high value. When you tell her it’s low value. That’s just how bragging goes in general. If you tell her how awesome you are she’s going to think “this is as good as he gets and it’s probably not true anyway.” When you give her space to fill in the blanks she becomes curious and will feel in those blanks in a way that is flattering quite often. If there’s no mystery there may also be no attraction.

 

[LouisVuitton]

When i say solo, is i go to the clubs, wings are there vs planning to meet and hang out with them all night, i do my thing, and we kind of hang out...

Once you’ve been in the game a while your default setting is having wings. Its rare that I don’t run into at least one friend out. I see people worried about what girls will think if you’re out gaming alone. The simple solution is make friends and then you’ll never be alone. There’s value in social proof even if it’s just from your male friends. If I’m on an outdoor day date and a friend hits me up who is in the same area I’ll have him stop by for a few. Having friends not only provides social proof but also builds comfort.