Special Girl How to get a 2nd date with a girl on tight schedule about to leave city

[empath]

Summary

So far I have established a men to women frame with this girl.


Had a date at my place and then 2 nights of high emotinal spike and a boring night.

Have set chase frames for her

My text for her are filled with banter and teasing

Also, I am guiding her on career and helping to navigate her family situation (she texts me mostly for this)

My vibe is mostly romantic / a bit brooding and vulnerable from my side.

I want to get her out on a date but she is very busy and I have limited time 2-3 days.

What I don't hope to get from this post

Approach other girls

Lay other other girls

I know that I should approach more girls and I am doing it. Even laying other girls is not helping me, its a momentary distraction.

Details

How do I get this girl out to meet me. She will be going to a different city for internship.

I had a first date with her at my house.

I should have laid her but my skills were not up to the mark at that time. So, I could just do a bit of kino. However, I don't think it's bad as it works better for relationship.

I told her lets meet again she said she wants to meet too but is tied up in busy schedule. Right now she is mostly spending time with her friends and family.

After our date and texting back and forth for a few days, I ended up doing over the top romantic thing for her and she reciprocated.

What I did with her was, I was joking with her about sneaking her out and those texts turned a bit flirty. I did some push pull. And she said she really wanted to me to sneak her out but now she has changed her mind.

I said I am coming to her house and went to her house even though she said she wont come out, I was like let just get a glimps from window of your apartment.

We talked from window and then I made her change her clothes for coming out.

But she then got anixious saying she really want to come out but it will cause trouble with her family and her family won't let her go interning. After she expalined me this, I felt a bit sad and thought about her career and said let it be and said but I will not contact her.

Then I ignored her text.

Then next night I just gave her a single ring and she called back and talked discussed about how we both lost virginity and how I gave her butterflies.

All this established men to women frame between us.

She was busy with her finding internship and family matters and could not meet, another night I decided we will watch a movie online while talking on phone, she from her home and me from mine.

I dargged that night and it did not had emotional spike like previous night (a bit boring).

Though I recoverd from it by texting her next day.

What I want

I want a relationship with her and for that I want to lay her before she leaves the city

What exactly is my plan to

1) get her out say come to my house then we will sit near lake or eat ice cream. Then take her upstairs say I need something and then manhandle a kiss when she enters my room.

2) Just meet her where I want to meet her and
make out with her (if sex is not possible) because she is also looking for a relationship, so a making out with her should cement the men to women frame more and then I will have more time to go in her city and fuck her brains out. Though I will try to fuck her on the day I take her out.

3) I could threaten her with looking for other girls, so she might panic and come out but I don't want to do it because it can backfire.

4) tips to maintain attraction for a month till she settles in another city.

What exactly I need help with getting her out of her house

I don't mind guilt tripping her (if I figure out how to do it over text or call)

Reuse arousal/romance (again don't know how to do it over text or call)

I can call her and she picks my call

My fears

I know I have a brief window to seducer her, she is out of break up, on a rebound, I want to conqurer her mind emotionally.

The more deeply having seen seduction and fast pulls I am afraid what if she meets another guy in new city because she is already looking for a rebound.

Also, what if she ends up losing attraction.

 

[empath]

Update

She is confirmed herself she is going and asked to meet before going tomorrow.

How to maximize chances of laying her?

 

[empath]

I plan to invite her to ice cream shop near my home and then pull her into my room she will come as she is already comfortable.

Then we can have sex.

If I am not able to pull or create this moment for laying her after pulling.

Then I will just say we go to beach/lake and sit besides water.

I will try to make out there.

Calling her to my home in start is easier because she has time constrains.

Otherwise I would have done 3 bounce if we had time.

 

[empath]

Also, any idea what gambit or material i should have ready or should I just go with the feelings in this case

 

[Atlas IV]

Hard to give advice without much details about this girl or what the dates entailed.

How much time have you spent with her already? Did you already try to escalate on the first two dates?

You said that you're looking for a relationship and so is she. Does she know that? If so, then she's probably already seeing you as a boyfriend candidate, which will make bedding her quickly more difficult.

I know I have a brief window to seducer her, she is out of break up, on a rebound, I want to conqurer her mind emotionally.

I'd say be careful setting high expectations with a girl on the rebound - not all girls deal with breakups by hooking up fast.

It sounds like you're already getting mentally invested in the outcome of sex, which is something to be mindful of (it can affect your vibe - you need to maintain an attitude of outcome independence).

If you've already set provider frames, she's going to be even less willing to sleep with you quickly. I know it sounds counterintuitive because you said you want to build a relationship with her, but you should be using clear boyfriend disqualifiers if you want to bed her fast. You can deal with reframing it to a relationship direction later.

 

[empath]

Well yes I was mentally invested in idea of sex first but now I have changed it to give her best experience.

I had one date in my room, she stayed for 1.5-2 hrs and in last 30 mins I tried some kino, which she reciprocated.

Though she is looking for relationship. I think she will hook up fast. I think I missed escalation windows on first date. Once she did touch up on her lips while I was sitting there and when I left the room I found her eating mint.

Between 2nd date and first date this texting happend

Me: I am going to change my clothes
She: do you need help
Me: I am afraid
She: don't worry i wont bite
Me: then whats the point
She: ok then I will
Me: I don't want, it will hurt
She: trust me

This went on for 15 min

Then I got a bit tipsy and went to her place

And 2nd date happened

On 2nd date we were not in close proximity. Imagine a cheesy romance movie. I was below her apartment and we were talking on phone. She was sitting in her window.

Though I have not directly proposed her as my gf nor she has as a bf.

We both are flirting like she wish to pack in suitcase and take me to the city.

Where she is being more aggressive and I playing role of hopless romantic/borken heart etc.

Date time is fixed and I have 2 hours with her for it from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m.

I think I would plan it this way.

Waffle or ice cream below my house.
Pull in my house, lets listen to music and relax till sunset.

Then if sex happens that or we go watching sunset.

Otherwise I need to take her direcly to beach first then bring my home. She lives in separate direction so it will make less logical sense for her to come at my house when the date ends.

My only worry in the date plan is even if I pull the lay it might be incongruent with the romantic imagination I have given her.

Either I need to escalate sex verbally on phone so she knows what is the deal.

Nope, perfect I will use the call back of her wanting to help me change the clothes.

Ideally I just wanted to kiss her randomly in conversation and then talk normally then make out.

Then have a 3rd date lay.

But i cant get 3rd date with her.

 

[POB]

I had a first date with her at my house.

Why you didn't have sex with her?
Isolation = sex, always, no matter your level!

You missed this explicit escalation window...and now your super strong BF frames are definitely not helping.
Seems to me you are heavily invested in a girl that you never got to your bed, which is a nono in any situation.
Pipi in vagina first, fall in love later...or you risk being stuck in an infinite blue balls loop.

I would def drop the BF frames and the romantic mental masturbation and push hard for sex in this second date.
Two hours is more than enough to get her to bed!
If your place is too far, change the date's location....or fuck her at the beach.

Waffle or ice cream below my house.
Pull in my house, lets listen to music

This is good!

Then if sex happens that or we go watching sunset.

Fuck the sunset, your goal now is pipi in vagina as fast as possible.
Be romantic after the party is over and you are both satisfied.

My only worry in the date plan is even if I pull the lay it might be incongruent with the romantic imagination I have given her.

It's not...they love to be surprised.

Either I need to escalate sex verbally on phone so she knows what is the deal.

This is a terrible idea.

Ideally I just wanted to kiss her randomly in conversation and then talk normally then make out.
Then have a 3rd date lay.
But i cant get 3rd date with her.

Very weak frame.
Just remember how we, as men, are naturally bold...time has come to push things foward and show her a good time.

 

[empath]

Why you didn't have sex with her?
Isolation = sex, always, no matter your level!

You missed this explicit escalation window...and now your super strong BF frames are definitely not helping.
Seems to me you are heavily invested in a girl that you never got to your bed, which is a nono in any situation.
Pipi in vagina first, fall in love later...or you risk being stuck in an infinite blue balls loop.

I would def drop the BF frames and the romantic mental masturbation and push hard for sex in this second date.
Two hours is more than enough to get her to bed!
If your place is too far, change the date's location....or fuck her at the beach.

This is good!

Fuck the sunset, your goal now is pipi in vagina as fast as possible.
Be romantic after the party is over and you are both satisfied.

It's not...they love to be surprised.

This is a terrible idea.

Very weak frame.
Just remember how we, as men, are naturally bold...time has come to push things foward and show her a good time.

I do guess I am in deep bf frame now and will be evaluated like one.

Well the plan for she coming over did not worked so we are going at a mall.

Will try to pull after that.

Public sex in day is not a possiblity for me. Especially given the city and locality.

Also, for past few dates I was relying on gambit which work like charm for fast sex.

This time I can't use them

If anyone know of any romantic routine for fast sex it would be a great help.

Also, how to pull her for home it will be 15 min drive.

I will use ice cream as excuse if nothing else works

 

[POB]

Meet her at the mall, 2 bounce her fast (like 15 minutes talk, then bounce inside the mall)
For the third and final bounce you say: "Have a surprise for you before your travel (long pause)....let's go to my place so I can show you"
It doesn't matter what the surprise is, as long as it doesn't cost you much of your money or time.
(should be something simple that matters to her).

 

[empath]

@POB thanks for the reply.

Actually date happend before you posted reply.

The mall she pick had shitty logistics... travelling to my place would have taken 45 mins.

She just had 2 hours. She just wanted to sit and talk in MCd.

So I thought anything else is better because I can't escalte there nor create any good memory

Well I did bounced her we ended up in a arcade.

won her a gift.

We talked a bit.

Finally she said she has to leave.

She asked what i will do that she is going.

I said nothing much maybe busy myself with work or travel with friends.

After sometime i gave a cringe response in a local movie implying i will get side chicks. She laughed this off.

(I should have kept my lovers going apart frame and should have said will wait for you)

Then I asked her same like will be ok?

She said, not really.

Then when she was going she came for hugging me I pulled back.

She was like come closer why are you stepping back.

She pulled me hug me.

I pulled her hand once more to hug and kissed her.

She pulled back from kiss. I guess she said are you mad or what and left in the cab.

I am feeling bad but not feeling strong emotions as before maybe because my mind feels I have secured this girl.

Though I am deep in Bf zone.

I feel this way because during our date

1) She invited me to her city.

2)She said she will be dressed even better than today

I was unusually calm today.

I will wait for her text For 5-6 hours if she don't I will text her about how tough it was to find a cab back home.

Then see lets see how conversation goes.

If I do end up going to her city (its 5-6 hour travel and I wonder given the strong bf frame she might delay sex more)

I think I should leave this seduction but laying her will be an achivement.

What should I do next?

 

[Atlas IV]

I think I should leave this seduction but laying her will be an achivement.

Man if you lay the girl after all this, it won't be because of your amazing seduction skills, it will be because she finally relented.

You're really going to travel 5-6 hours for a girl who you've seen 3 times now and still haven't had sex with? How do you plan to lay her when you're in her city?

It sounds like you're getting oneitus... I'd move on if I were you.

 

[empath]

Man if you lay the girl after all this, it won't be because of your amazing seduction skills, it will be because she finally relented.

You're really going to travel 5-6 hours for a girl who you've seen 3 times now and still haven't had sex with? How do you plan to lay her when you're in her city?

It sounds like you're getting oneitus... I'd move on if I were you.

I agree suddenly I don't feel texting other girls

 

[Atlas IV]

Perhaps you're imagining the relationship with her, building it up to be something greater than the reality could possibly be.

Read The Great Gatsby. It's the original story of oneitus, will help you understand situations like this.

 

[empath]

Perhaps you're imagining the relationship with her, building it up to be something greater than the reality could possibly be.

Read The Great Gatsby. It's the original story of oneitus, will help you understand situations like this.

I have watched the story well.

Will try my best to move on. Yes I can't stop imagining future with her.

 

[empath]

I guess my pick up skills will be rusty till I am sad.

 

[POB]

Agree with @Atlas IV
Stop fantasizing, chances are slim it is gonna happen because you've shot yourself in the foot with the previous BF talk and behavior.
Now she is def gonna make you chase and jump hurdles (like no kiss at the date but asking you to drive a lot to meet her again...wtf).

Scratch it as a learning exp and move on.

 

[empath]

Agree with both of you @POB and @Atlas IV.

Trying to chat other girls to see if my mojo gets back.

Actually exchanged texts with this girl, she enjoyed the kiss I wonder why pulled back.

Maybe it was sudden or in public.

Maybe I can do something, lets see.

Still want to turn frames and have her chasing me.

 

[POB]

Side note: she did nothing wrong...she was just naturally reacting to the frames you have set.
And most girls would behave that same way if you've kept throwing that kind of approach at them.
Now a guy with a different frame could've easily had sex with her first time in isolation.
Just some food for thought.

 

[empath]

Side note: she did nothing wrong...she was just naturally reacting to the frames you have set.
And most girls would behave that same way if you've kept throwing that kind of approach at them.
Now a guy with a different frame could've easily had sex with her first time in isolation.
Just some food for thought.

Agreed and I laid girls after making this mistake by bringing them to room, she was just first girl who came to my room directly.

I have learnt from my mistake and I can still lay girls.

Heck I did a virgin too by bringing her to my room directly and after that I wonder why even set dates.

It is I just want to lay her right now, my interest is with her.

 

[POB]

Just be more carefull next time and you'll be fine.
It's perfectly normal to be smitten by some girl, but we have to control ourselves and let the inner seducer speak louder than the white knight.