Date Plans How to get first-date sex more consistently?

[johndoe]

Hi folks,

Whenever I go on dates, my MO has always been to get sex on the first date. My general gameplan goes like this:

1. Before the date, steer the conversation towards sex and demonstrate open-mindedness and sex positivity. This doesn't always work though -- sometimes there isn't a lot of texting before the date, and sometimes there is no natural way to steer the conversation towards sex.
2. During the date, establish rapport and get the girl to enjoy her time with you. Usually, if I can't demonstrate what I want to in (1), I will be able to do it here.
3. At a high point of the date, talk about hooking up. I usually just ask if they "want to go someplace" because I don't have my own place, and unless she has a place we usually have to get a room.

My success rate has been about 50/50 for dates so far, and I'm looking at how I can increase my percentages. There are girls who are obviously interested in me, but are turned off when I suggest sex on the first date. These girls usually have a more prudish frame when it comes to first-date sex, but it's really difficult to tell who are more prudish and who aren't until you propose it, because I've also had girls who seem really prudish or cold but were excited at the prospect of first-date sex. Then, there are also girls who are clearly into me, but don't want to have first-date sex.

The girls who I've hooked up with on the first-date all seem to have already been open to the idea. And for the girls I've failed to hook up with, they all seem to have a moral objection towards it.

So TLDR, my questions are:

1. How to reliably elicit receptivity to first-date sex during the date itself without directly asking?
2. For girls who seem to be morally-objected, how do we bust these frames over the date?

 

[topcat]

I believe the solution here is to project sexuality physically as opposed to verbally.

Addressing sex verbally is fine, but without a foundation of nonverbal sexual projection you risk it falling flat.

I like to imagine a woman like this -

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..her logical mind "the prude" is a gatekeeper. Behind the prude, the gatekeeper, is a passionate wild beast.​

A prudish girl is simply a girl with a strong gatekeeper and a sleeping beast. Your job is to arouse the beast without triggering the gatekeeper and then once roused, convincing the gatekeeper to open the gate and let the beast play under supervision. Some girls' gatekeepers are tired or on holiday or simply like to watch the beast play for whatever reason. These are the girls who are ready for sex and looking for it.​

Getting a girl aroused by "speaking" to her body first should get her primed for bouncing back to yours without triggering her logical mind. As long as you have comfort solidified and she likes you, sex shouldn't be a problem from there. Obviously nothing is 100% but 80 is reasonable.

Things like body proximity, eye contact, oozing sex subtly in your vocal tone. Incidental and knowing touches. Showing some skin in your outfit choices. Warm, mischievous confidence. These things speak to the animal in her, and will get its attention.

Once the animal in her likes you, just give her logical mind a plausible excuse and sex is more likely to happen. Speak to her with your body first, words are secondary.

Google "60 years of challenge secrets of microescalation pdf". It's a solid book on this concept. Much respect to @Skills for suggesting it in another post.

Best.