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Hey all,

So yeah - in terms of current financial position, level of academic education, and age, how do you know your ready to start a new (first) venture?

I'm toying with the idea of launching a business involving an ear-device that translates languages in real-time. In this case I'm 19, have no formal college education (but taught myself and got all 5's on AP Calculus, Biology, and Computer Science exams), and am as broke as my contemporary surviving-off-ramen college friends. Now I suppose I wouldn't be able to make much money in the first few years - but if we view business-building as a skill, wouldn't it make more sense to focus completely on building businesses, even if your current conditions aren't ideal, so that in the long run you'd be earning more money working for yourself?

If not, what would be the 'right' conditions for starting a business? When you've obtained a University degree, payed off your loans, saved up extra money, and had years of experience in the field? If so, that's what I'll do, but perhaps the leg-up in terms of time and experience as a younger entrepreneur would outweigh the benefits of the previous conditions. Curious to hear what you have to say!

~Nick
 

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You don't need a college education to be an entrepreneur. It may help to better acquaint you with whatever field it is your interested in going into business in but there are a handful of people that don't have college degrees and are very successful. There is a very successful comedian turned life coach/speaker (spoke to 4 president's to get them thinking right though no telling if it worked or not) that dropped out of college in order to be a comedian... and he sucked at first. I'd say you could probably get more bang for your buck studying the intricacies and skillsets of the field you're talking about then you could with a college degree.

Idk how you're going to manage to live if you're not making any money though. Dave Ramsey, a top financial advisor in USA (has his own radio show where people call with financial questions), suggests getting a job to survive with and then building your business in the meantime when you're not working. Once you grow your business enough to survive and you know it will continue to grow then quit your job and go full time entrepreneur.

Idk what your situation is. Maybe your sleeping on someone's floor and cook breakfast when everyone wakes up or something to pay rent and you don't need much income at the moment. If that's the case and you're happy with that then I'd say knock yourself out and go for it.

Though another thing you might want to consider is that building a business is hardcore time consuming (probably more than a 40 hr. a week job) and you might not get a lot of time to be meeting women and rapidly improving your seduction skills as you currently are.

It's the tradeoff. What do you want more?

I want to work for myself too but I find it more important to get my dating/social life handled first. I plan on just getting a job of any sorts that I can live off of (once I get to my new city down the road) and meet tons of women when I'm not working until I get Jedi Lord status. Once I'm confident in this arena I'm going to shift my focus to building my empire.

I like how ambitious you think though Nick. Keep us posted on what you end up doing!

-Rob
 
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Mr.Rob said:
Though another thing you might want to consider is that building a business is hardcore time consuming (probably more than a 40 hr. a week job) and you might not get a lot of time to be meeting women and rapidly improving your seduction skills as you currently are.
True, Rob, but think how much more powerful his response to "What do you do?" is going to be when he does meet girls.

Nick, if you have the guts to do it, go for it; most people (including me) never do. You needn't worry about being penalized later for not having work experience if you do decide to go into regular employment; any employer (and university admissions tutor) is going to be at least equally if not more impressed by actual experience of building a business.
 

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True, Rob, but think how much more powerful his response to "What do you do?" is going to be when he does meet girls.

Haha you got me there.

Lol my plan is to move off to a big city and get any job I can. I can see it now some HB is going to ask what I do I'm going to be sitting there with a stupid smile on my face "yeah I'm a ditch digger. I dig in holes and make them bigger ;)... due to my large shovel uhuh"
HB proceeds to dump martini on my head and exit the date.
 

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Rob - that's some excellent advice, brother. I'm staying with some people I know at the moment - I don't need to pay rent, but its something I'd like to soon. But I'm thinking about getting a full time job, save (for a centrally located apartment), and run the business for the other 40 hours of the week. Not sure how that would affect my seduction learning...would have to strike the right balance between work.

Marty - that's perspective. I didn't think about the (positive) consequences of starting a business for University Admission Officers and future employment recruiters. That may add some efficacy..

Inferno - That's the plan! Hoping to find a GC like resource/mentor that has a solid process to follow, and then master that process - the goal is to become a serial entrepreneur.

Cheers fellas :)

~Nick
 

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Nick-

It's an interesting question, but it's sort of like asking when the right time to start playing baseball, or learning piano, or trying your hand at pick up is. There's no real "right" time, and it's something you can always put off until later. However, starting early generally has long-term benefits for your success later on down the road in a given area.

Rob makes some good points here - comments on a few of them:

Mr.Rob said:
You don't need a college education to be an entrepreneur. It may help to better acquaint you with whatever field it is your interested in going into business in but there are a handful of people that don't have college degrees and are very successful. There is a very successful comedian turned life coach/speaker (spoke to 4 president's to get them thinking right though no telling if it worked or not) that dropped out of college in order to be a comedian... and he sucked at first. I'd say you could probably get more bang for your buck studying the intricacies and skillsets of the field you're talking about then you could with a college degree.

I'd view a college degree primarily as a backup at this point. I hear a lot of older guys saying, "You don't need college!" but many of these are guys who have college degrees and got good jobs straight out of school. I never hear anyone without a college degree saying this, perhaps because I don't know any of them who are business owners or Internet writers.

My personal opinion is, if you know what you're doing, you probably don't need college. If you don't know what you're doing, it's useful. In studies of the most successful men of the past millennia or so, an education equivalent to the level of a few years of college is the point at which people are most productive. More or less education with that, and their lifetime productivity goes down.

You can always do college a little later if you try something for a year or two and decide to go get an education after that. I worked for a year after high school selling tires, and everyone thought I was crazy. But when I got to school, the classes made a lot more sense to me than they did to most people because I had real world experience in the workplace I could tie them to, and most of the other students around me did not. That also enabled me to be a lot more impressive in job interviews later when I wanted to.

Mr.Rob said:
Idk how you're going to manage to live if you're not making any money though. Dave Ramsey, a top financial advisor in USA (has his own radio show where people call with financial questions), suggests getting a job to survive with and then building your business in the meantime when you're not working. Once you grow your business enough to survive and you know it will continue to grow then quit your job and go full time entrepreneur.

This is good advice in theory. However, when you're working a 9-to-5, it's very hard to be motivated enough to start your own business... or find the energy to. Your best hours of the day go to your day job, and all you're left with is the end of the day, when you're tired, worn out, and just want to go do something mindless to unwind. It's no coincidence that most entrepreneurs are either young kids still in college, or older guys who've saved up a lot from a career and left their jobs to start a business tackling a problem they know of in the industry that no one else is doing a good job of tackling. Both the college kid and the older guy who's built up his savings account have the time to focus squarely on a business.

I launched Girls Chase in 2008, but didn't really do anything much with it from a business / monetization standpoint aside from some coaching here and there until 2011, because I had a full-time corporate job before that. When you're making enough to pay the bills and then some, the desire to build something is pretty faint and fleeting.

Mr.Rob said:
Though another thing you might want to consider is that building a business is hardcore time consuming (probably more than a 40 hr. a week job) and you might not get a lot of time to be meeting women and rapidly improving your seduction skills as you currently are.

Yes. Whatever your social skills / girl skills / anything else are before you start business-building, expect them to be in stasis for a few years while you try to hit high enough revenues that you can hire enough staff that you aren't doing absolutely everything yourself.

Mr.Rob said:
I want to work for myself too but I find it more important to get my dating/social life handled first. I plan on just getting a job of any sorts that I can live off of (once I get to my new city down the road) and meet tons of women when I'm not working until I get Jedi Lord status. Once I'm confident in this arena I'm going to shift my focus to building my empire.

I tend to think this is the best path too. I know lots of guys with money who have little hunger for improving with women. They get enough okay-ish girls just because they can afford to go to nice places and throw money around that the drive to learn to pick up just isn't there.

However, I know lots of guys who've learned to pick up, and quite a large number of them eventually transition into learning business after this. It's a pretty common trend you see: the guys who get good at girls turn their sights onto business-building after. Some of them do okay here, some of them fail, and some of them hit it out of the park; it's another skill set with some overlap but lots of new nuance, too.

On the specific business idea-

PrettyDecent said:
I'm toying with the idea of launching a business involving an ear-device that translates languages in real-time.

My main questions here would be:

  • How feasible is this, and how accurate can you get it?
  • How monetizeable is it - how many people want something like this, what's it cost to manufacture, and what's your margin?
  • What are the competing products out there? If no one else is doing it, why not?
  • Differentiation: this isn't an original idea (few ideas are), so what's different about your version that will make it a success?
  • How long is it going to take to prototype this, and handle the software? It's probably going to be a reasonably large project. You're not just building the software that translates one language to another (and even Google Translate is just okay at that), but you're also doing something with devices, which means you've got to have something that's both functional and comfortable/unobtrusive enough that people will wear it. You might be better off just writing the software, then selling/licensing it to a device manufacturer like Apple/Samsung/Microsoft/Google/etc.

Main issues I see here is that this sounds like a very complicated project, unless you have a lot of experience with writing translation software. If you have money, you could probably outsource the prototyping of the device, although building the software is something of a Holy Grail of the translations industry if I've got my facts right and I'm guessing you probably can't outsource that; you'll have to build it in-house. Which means you need to be very talented at writing translation software, or you need to find a programmer who is, and if you're going that route, the big question that any programmer with that kind of talent will have for you is, "What do you bring to the table?" and it'll have to be more than an idea. Every talented programmer is overflowing with great ideas to work on, and doesn't need more. Even if you handle prototyping and build great software, you've still got to worry about mass manufacture, which takes a lot more money, and distribution - getting it in front of buyers - which is where plenty of otherwise spectacular products fail out of the market when they fail to find a market, or gain traction with that market.

Most likely, you'll need a large-ish team of talented developers to put together the language translation software, which means you'll need quite a bit of funding. Raising funding is no cakewalk though; investors get bombarded with wonderful-sounding ideas all day long, and aren't moved by something that will change the world; everything the get pitched is going to change the world. They just want to know how feasible the project is, and why you're going to be the one who will make it work when no one else has yet.

I'd probably recommend finding something simpler and starting with that, then circling back to this when you have a bit more business experience, or more experience coding up translation apps (maybe you can work for someone who writes translation software, and learn the ins and outs, and also the current obstacles to better translations?). Of course, there's always the chance that if you DO know what you're doing, you might be jumping in at exactly the right time, and you'll be the guy who develops this. A good instant translation device would be a watershed moment for global everything if you could pull it off, and if you have your patents in order you'd be poised to make a tremendous amount of coin (you'd probably end up selling or licensing it to Google or Apple or someone like that, who can really scale up the system and get it out there; or else they'd find a way around your patents and do their own devices anyway).

Not knowing your background, I don't want to scare you off a cool idea if you're a programming whiz / master finder and bringer-together of very talented people, but if you've yet to start building your business-building skills, I'd suggest focusing on learning skills before committing too much time or energy to something that's probably a lot to bite off. Every airplane has a Kitty Hawk, but the folks at Kitty Hawk had been building bicycles for many years before they turned their attention to airplanes.

I listed a few books I've found very useful on building businesses in my "recommended reading" article; if you haven't checked those out, I might point you there next, Nick:

Recommended Reading

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my simple advice is to start a business that does not require you to "invent the wheel". This is the difference between me and one of my close friends. What I am doing now is a business that is quite common and it makes some money {especially when I started}, my second business that I am working off does not even reinvent the wheel but it is guarantee to make me money. It is in my 3rd business that I would attempt to re-invent the wheel {doing something completely new}.

Back to my close friend - he is still in paid employment, hoping for the day he would make the leap of faith to start his company, while me, I am making money enough to feed myself without needing a job (paid employment).

You need a business that does not need too much effort to get you started {JUST START} - simply because you have no business experience and so I would stay take the plunge with a business that would boost you confident and give you some money WITHOUT NEEDING A JOB {it is very easy to get stuck in a job for more than 5 years - just like my close friend}. I don't believe in getting a job to fund your business instead I believe in doing easier businesses to fund you MAIN business in future - this is because of the experiences you would learn that would make you a better entrepreneur!
 
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I just stumbled upon this while taking a shit and wandering around the interwebs. I felt like it was worthwhile to share my two cents for any other aspiring entrepreneurs here. Giving back to this community > Halloween party lol.

PrettyDecent said:
I'm toying with the idea of launching a business involving an ear-device that translates languages in real-time
Wow, what a coincidence. I actually just implemented this last night. It basically can take speech from 90 different languages, translate it to text, then translate that text into another language among the 90. So far my code outputs text in the other language's native characters in real time (takes about a second to translate a sentence as long as this inside the parentheses from speech to another language). I have the resources to synthesize the translated text back into sound, but I haven't implemented that feature because it's not needed for my purposes.

However, I programmed it as a web application. But I can see this working if you manufacture the earpiece as a bluetooth device that pairs with a smartphone. The device would receive the sound, send it to the phone, phone executes the web application I have (or a mobile application--apps already exist that can translate real time, but for sure they also require web connectivity--the amount of data and computing power required for translation is too great to be downloaded all into your phone), then sends the synthesized sound back into the earpiece to be played into the ear. A major downside is that connectivity is required, and performance depends on the quality of the connection. I don't really have the time to research this, but I have a hunch that such devices exist already.

As far as the translation code goes, I actually don't mind giving it to you if you're still interested. I'm busy as fuck, and it's gonna take some time stripping it from my startup's application, but yeah. I'll give it to you at no charge.

PrettyDecent said:
If not, what would be the 'right' conditions for starting a business?
Find the market first. Why? Because you need customers. Customers are the ones who pay you. If financial success is what you're after, toss (or temporarily put aside) the idea of turning your passion into profit. Yes, you can turn passion into profit, but there is much more profit in practicality. The earpiece is an honorable idea, but you gotta consider the amount of money required to manufacture, store, advertise, personnel, etc and compare that amount to sales. Think about how many customers will use the earpiece.

Find where the money is. Find what can be innovated, improved upon, or virtualized. Uber virtualized the taxi industry and now they're valuated at over $18 billion. My startup, for example, virtualizes an industry where a small part of the world spent almost $20 billion last year. If I can tap into just 1% of that, I can expect around $200 million in revenues. Moreover, how much can I expect if I expand and target other countries?

Another aspect to consider if you have existing competition is, how will you compete? What will make your customers choose your product over your competitors? You have to differentiate and innovate your product enough to entice consumers to pick you over others who may be large, established firms.

Mr.Rob said:
You don't need a college education to be an entrepreneur
Although this is true, I'd argue that it's more of an exception than the norm. Most notable entrepreneurs have some college under their belts. The knowledge you gain definitely helps (I studied computer science so I was able to implement the translation application in about 8 hours), but in my opinion the more valuable things you gain is personal network. In my network I have friends who have worked for every big tech company you can think of, as well as banks and investment firms. You are a product of your surroundings. If you surround yourself with intelligent people with exceptional skills, knowledge, ideas, entrepreneurship spirit, network, etc, then your level of thought and everything else about you automatically get raised to their level.

Also recognize that starting a business is a serious life decision. You can end up anywhere between successful, "just getting by", or bankrupt. Don't just throw yourself into something. You definitely need to do your research and think things through.

That's all the insight I can give at the moment because I'm short on time, and my startup is still about 2 months away from launching, so this is as far as my experience/knowledge goes. If you're still interested in entrepreneurship or the translation code, private message me and I'll give you my personal contact info.

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Is this you?

If not, GG.
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