How to learn - never take what Chase says as truth!

[132]

Recently a friend of mine told me the typical sad story about a girl - he was inlove with her, she saw him a just friends, he told how he feels, she freaked out and now is avoiding him like the plague. I told him that when I found GC it helped me understand some things. Today e told me how he read some of the stuff on here and how brilliant it is and how it's 100% sure to work. So I decided to write this. It's not a hate or troll thread - just the way I think.

There is a growing problem I see on GC and the boards. Most of the guys see something written by Chase or Franco or some high ranking member, and think that what they say works perfectly.

I remember a year ago when I started reading GC but still didn't do any approaching. I read an article and I thought "wow that's amazing this must be the truth, all of this must work" . And this prevented me from going out and trying it out for myself. I thought if it works every time, why should I go approaching today. I can wait till I feel more prepared - since it works there is no problem.

But here's the thing it might not work. Just because it works for Chase or Franco or some other, doesn't mean it will work for you. I don't mean the main points like being a lover and deep diving and moving fast - I mean the specifics. When someone makes a thread asking specific advice for a specific situation. And they get specific answers and I bet that they don't work some or most of the times.

This is because that girls are different, the guys saying/doing it are different. The situations are different, the places you live are different, the cultures sometimes, etc.

I bet I can't get away with what Chase would say to a girl simply because we live in different places, we are at different places with our process/game/ experience levels. My inner beliefs and confidence are not at the same level of those experienced seducers or naturals, I can't do it the exact way they do it or it'll look fake.



That's why when you read a post/thread/advice you must take it with a grain of salt. Don't assume it's the truth or it'll work for you. Go out and try it for yourself - if it works or not. If it's gold or it needs some tweaking or you must never do it again.
I don't mean to insult anyone but when I read the articles and advice I am skeptical. Just because someone says it works doesn't mean it does. I need to go out and test it multiple times to weed out random occurrences and before that has happened and I'm sure it works - I can't completely believe what anyone says. Especially since we have no proof - for all we know Chase might be the biggest and smoothest seducer in the world or some guy that only theoretically understands seduction but has no success with women. I'm sorry for undermining you Chase but I don't believe things before I have concrete proof, and we have absolutely no proof that any person writing here has ever seduced a woman - we only have vague stories. So we take it on blind faith. So why not first go out and try if it works and then judge.

I bet Chase has do deal with lots of people who preach how all the things on here don't work and how it can't work and will never work. Those are people that have never even tried it but are convinced it's all lies.

And I think that this is the way you should look at GC and the forum - not a place that tells you exactly what to do every time, but a place that suggest all kinds of different things you should try and do to figure out what works for you.


If you get one thing from the above it's this - never assume anything to be true or false before lots of testing and trying it out for yourself. And don't believe or disbelieve people before you know if they're telling the truth or not. Just take a note about what you've read/heard and go test it if it's true or false. Then judge the person or advice.

 

[[GC]Jay]

Okay, thread title got me confused. I think the appropriate title would be something like "Not every Chase's tactics work for everybody" because to be honest the word "never take" is like you're saying "forget about Chase & girlschase.com".

Of course what Chase says are the truth based on his experience, it worked for him and so he simply shared it to the community, if it doesn't work to someone doesn't mean it's a lie. It's all about how you present yourself, how you deliver the openers, and most importantly the woman you are talking to and yes it's all about originality. You really shouldn't be totally copying what the guru tells you to do, instead find something that suits your personality, something that makes you feel comfortable, or else you'll just look awkward and fail at the end.

Social calibration is also important. I can't further explain this but I think it's the key and everyone should start understanding it first before anything else.

 

[daviddreamer]

I don't think Chase or Franco or any high ranking members on these boards has ever said to take everything as truth. They're simply experienced and passing on their advice to less-experienced men. And realize that even they aren't 100% perfect seducers. Far from it because there is no such thing.

Even the best investors like Warren Buffett don't beat the stock market every year. Even Michael Jordan threw away many games. But you better believe that if these type of individuals offer advice you're not gonna take it with a grain of salt. There advice from a very experienced person in any area holds a lot of value and weight.

And from this website alone I went from a beta-male, couldn't figure out woman, constantly in the one-down and getting cheated on to now being engaged to a beautiful woman who loves me overwhelmingly...and I was reading all kinds of things over the internet over the year and nothing has compared to what this website has taught me.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Ico132,

If you get one thing from the above it's this - never assume anything to be true or false before lots of testing and trying it out for yourself. And don't believe or disbelieve people before you know if they're telling the truth or not. Just take a note about what you've read/heard and go test it if it's true or false. Then judge the person or advice.

Chase has clarify this himself.

If there's any other dating gurus that take criticism well, I can't think of anybody other than Chase. He takes criticism, He works fucking hard, and most people don't realize how hard if you really know his credibility of his work, not just the dating side but what actually goes behind it, the psychology.

Yea, the "high ranking" members ask you guys to test out different things. IT's only because we assume you have this personality and this will work for you, or that the situation is this and that we give you this answer. Other times, we offer the best suggestion available, but we clarify it as suggestion. Sometimes, we are humans, and we have only little time here. We can offer answers as "definite" even if we meant that every one has to try out for them self.

This post just makes me motivated to complete "Going Beyond Girlschase" more faster and post it here. It's a personal "enlightening" and multiple experiences that i learn, long before i knew who Chase is.

I am sure there's no resentment in your post.

Zac

 

[Drck]

The whole “seduction” as such is just a big nonsense. There is no such thing as “seduction”. There is of course understanding of what is going on between girl and guy, and what is listed on GC web is an excellent job.


In my opinion, many of the things presented on GC web are “tools”, or simply skills that any guy can learn. The more tools you learn the higher chances you have with particular girl. You need different set of tools for different situations, what works on one girl at particular situation may not work on another one.


I don’t think there is one particular “tool” to get any girl you want, it is rather a combination that increasess your chances. The more tools you have the better chances you have. Learn these tools and they will simply modify your behavior and attitude towards girls.


Tool #1: You need abundance mentality. Go out and meet a lot of girls and talk to a lot of girls. This by itself will eventually get you laid without knowing anything else. You will get used to girls, you will decrease your anxiety while talking to any girl which will give you real confidence, and one day you will simple meet “the right one”


Tool #2: Fundamentals. The way you look, clothes you have, your mood, your attitude towards girls. Do you project confidence or weakness? Are you relaxed with positive mood, or angry and depressed? Do you lead her or do you have no idea what you want? Fundamentals is basically a tool that naturally increases your attraction, and the more attraction you can generate the more girls will be interested in you. Of course if you pretend that you are this great Alpha Male with abundance of confidence, and then when you meet her you are afraid to talk to her and touch her, she will know right away that you are a fake. Thus never fake fundamentals; never pretend to be confident unless you are. Don't pretend to be a leader - just lead her, make suggestions, plan actions, do things without waiting for whether she likes it or not. You have to learn these, build these. Once you have great fundamentals you’ll notice that girls will actually start approaching you, and if you are not a total dummy you will get laid by just having great fundamentals without approaching girls. Now, combine fundamentals with abundance mentality - and you already have tremendous power over most of guys


Tool #3: Early cut off. Stop wasting time on girls who are not interested enough in you. Don’t chase them, stop communicating with them, or shift them into your friend zone and switch your focus on girls that have sexual value for you. This tool will protect you from a lot of rejections, bad mood and depressions. Combine this tool with the two above and you’ll save a lot of time, you will increase your efficiency multiple fold


Tool #4: Physical contact, touch - as early as possible. This by itself generates huge attraction. The fact that you are man and she is woman generates plenty of attraction itself, and physical contact makes the attraction even stronger. You don’t need any seduction skills to generate attraction, you simply touch her and the attraction is there. Physical contact with her is much more powerful than thousands of words


Tool #5: Strong desire to have sex. This one is very important because many guys just want to hang around that particular girl, vibe with her, create a great emotional connection with her, and have great feelings while interacting with her. There is nothing wrong with it but if you want to keep her you have to have sex with her, otherwise you’ll end up in her friend or orbital zone. This one by itself will get you laid as well, just by having clear objective (to have sex) and strong desire you’ll get rid of many other useless seduction tools. This should actually be Tool #1, and if you have a good understanding of this tool, it is the only tool you’ll ever need. Why? Because it simply contains all the other tools within – once you know exactly what you want and have strong desire to do it, the rest will simply fall in its place


Now combine all these tools together and you have much higher chances to get girl you like. Utilizing these tools will get you laid, there is simply no other way. Does it mean that you’ll get every girl you like, every girl that your friend points finger on? Of course not, but you’ll tremendously increase your chances of getting girl(s) in comparison to average guy who has no clue about how to behave with particular girl. These tools don’t make you a Great Seducer either. Forget about being a seducer, you are not in any way better than any other guy. You are just a guy – who does things with girls differently because he’s got the knowledge…


I’m sure there is bunch of other great tools, but what for? There are no tricks. She is either attracted or not. If she is not attracted – why wasting your time? And if she is attracted you simply have to have balls to lead her where you want her to be – in your bed…

There is also one more great tool, Tool #6: Stop idealizing women. Stop putting them on a pedestal, stop learning thousands of seduction tricks, stop figuring out how to get them and date them, and stop giving them greater value than you have as a man. All these seduction skills are basically just supplications, by doing this you are actually giving them too much power over you. The truth is simple: they (women) NEED to have babies, we men don't. They NEED somebody to take care of them, to build house for them, to take them to shopping center in our car, to have comfortable and secure home - we MEN don't need it. We were just fooled by society that we need to chase women and learn seduction skills to get them. So let THEM work hard on seduction without moving a single finger, without doing one thing for them - in stead just simply learn to live your live as a MAN. There are no longer MEN in this society, there is just bunch of immature and supplicating boys who are begging for affection from women...

 

[132]

Zac: This post just makes me motivated to complete "Going Beyond Girlschase" more faster and post it here. It's a personal "enlightening" and multiple experiences that i learn, long before i knew who Chase is.

This sounds cool. I'd love to read it when you post it on here.

Drck, I agree with what you said. And I stated it in my post that the fundamental stuff works. What I was saying you should be skeptical about are the specific advice: what to say word for word or what to do step by step.

 

[Franco]

Ico,

What I was saying you should be skeptical about are the specific advice: what to say word for word or what to do step by step.

In general, I don't disagree with you here. Whenever I give advice, I try my best not to suggest any specific "tactic" or "technique" to anyone (unless I strongly believe it works extremely well and have thoroughly tested it myself and had others test it as well -- see my Passionate Kiss thread for an example of that). Instead, I'll try to help you understand the mindset of the girl when you do something so that you can understand where she's coming from. Once you understand women, a lot of what you do will come more naturally because you'll logically be able to figure out what the best response would be. But if you don't truly understand the woman's mindset in a specific situation, then any logic you come up with about the situation will be flawed.

After I've helped you attempt to understand the woman's mindset, I then give examples of what has worked for ME based on what I understood about the woman. I never expect these examples to work for everyone, nor do I expect everyone to adapt them. Instead, I want them to look at my example, connect the dots between that example and my explanation of the woman's mindset, and then come up with their own conclusion of why I came up with THAT conclusion.

One of the strongest tools you can have in this business is an understanding of women; once you have an understanding, it'll be MUCH easier to come up with your own methods and test them based off of what we give you here. =)

EDIT: I want to mention that Chase doesn't pay me to be on these boards. I do so of my own accord both to help Chase and others, and to learn as much more as I can about women in the process. I wouldn't really feel the need to be on these boards as often as I am without getting paid if I didn't successfully use the material myself.

- Franco

 

[132]

Ico,

What I was saying you should be skeptical about are the specific advice: what to say word for word or what to do step by step.

One of the strongest tools you can have in this business is an understanding of women; once you have an understanding, it'll be MUCH easier to come up with your own methods and test them based off of what we give you here. =)

- Franco

But I bet you don't get that understanding of women simply by reading blog posts.


Especially in my case 100% of what you give as examples of what to say, are not possible for me. Cause English is not native in my country so everything has to be translated and it can't be exactly translated so I have to modify and change all of it. For me at least specific advice as to exactly what to say or do are not an option.

I bet it's the same with a lot of other guys from different places.

 

[Franco]

Ico,

Especially in my case 100% of what you give as examples of what to say, are not possible for me. Cause English is not native in my country so everything has to be translated and it can't be exactly translated so I have to modify and change all of it. For me at least specific advice as to exactly what to say or do are not an option.

I would be wary of ANY guys trying to give you specific advice about exact things to SAY to a girl to make things work. Whenever a guy says something along the lines of "use this line when you approach this girl," I become a bit skeptical of his actual knowledge on the topic. I have never used any "lines" on any girl. That is too "PUA" for me. In seduction, it's best to come up with your own things to say based on the situation at hand and your personal vibe and style.

However, sometimes you can use lines to help you overcome a barrier (such as opening girls with the same line over and over again until you've ridden yourself of approach anxiety).

- Franco

 

[The Tool]

Serious thread but I want to point out

Tool #1: You need abundance mentality.

just want to get the record straight that I am the #1 tool

One of the strongest tools you can have in this business is an understanding of women; once you have an understanding, it'll be MUCH easier to come up with your own methods and test them based off of what we give you here. =

I agree Franco but again....*flexes* I am the strongest Tool

 

[Flames]

I think Chase would agree that you should never take anything for granted, but what he does really well is explain certain ways of thinking. He gives you options that you can take.

A hell of a lot of people generally will do the same thing over and over and expect different results.

Their are a lot of things I've learnt on my own that Chase has written posts about and it wasn't until he wrote them out that I actually understood what was going on and why.

The no.1 thing I've learnt that is that you have to be more dynamic, the very fact that you can embrace someone's ideas take them on a testdrive and find out for yourself how they work for you even when you don't neccerserily agree with them is what helps you grow. Personal growth is what helps you with girls, not tricks and tactics.

 

[Franky]

Recently a friend of mine told me the typical sad story about a girl - he was inlove with her, she saw him a just friends, he told how he feels, she freaked out and now is avoiding him like the plague. I told him that when I found GC it helped me understand some things. Today e told me how he read some of the stuff on here and how brilliant it is and how it's 100% sure to work. So I decided to write this. It's not a hate or troll thread - just the way I think.

There is a growing problem I see on GC and the boards. Most of the guys see something written by Chase or Franco or some high ranking member, and think that what they say works perfectly.

I remember a year ago when I started reading GC but still didn't do any approaching. I read an article and I thought "wow that's amazing this must be the truth, all of this must work" . And this prevented me from going out and trying it out for myself. I thought if it works every time, why should I go approaching today. I can wait till I feel more prepared - since it works there is no problem.

But here's the thing it might not work. Just because it works for Chase or Franco or some other, doesn't mean it will work for you. I don't mean the main points like being a lover and deep diving and moving fast - I mean the specifics. When someone makes a thread asking specific advice for a specific situation. And they get specific answers and I bet that they don't work some or most of the times.

This is because that girls are different, the guys saying/doing it are different. The situations are different, the places you live are different, the cultures sometimes, etc.

I bet I can't get away with what Chase would say to a girl simply because we live in different places, we are at different places with our process/game/ experience levels. My inner beliefs and confidence are not at the same level of those experienced seducers or naturals, I can't do it the exact way they do it or it'll look fake.



That's why when you read a post/thread/advice you must take it with a grain of salt. Don't assume it's the truth or it'll work for you. Go out and try it for yourself - if it works or not. If it's gold or it needs some tweaking or you must never do it again.
I don't mean to insult anyone but when I read the articles and advice I am skeptical. Just because someone says it works doesn't mean it does. I need to go out and test it multiple times to weed out random occurrences and before that has happened and I'm sure it works - I can't completely believe what anyone says. Especially since we have no proof - for all we know Chase might be the biggest and smoothest seducer in the world or some guy that only theoretically understands seduction but has no success with women. I'm sorry for undermining you Chase but I don't believe things before I have concrete proof, and we have absolutely no proof that any person writing here has ever seduced a woman - we only have vague stories. So we take it on blind faith. So why not first go out and try if it works and then judge.

I bet Chase has do deal with lots of people who preach how all the things on here don't work and how it can't work and will never work. Those are people that have never even tried it but are convinced it's all lies.

And I think that this is the way you should look at GC and the forum - not a place that tells you exactly what to do every time, but a place that suggest all kinds of different things you should try and do to figure out what works for you.


If you get one thing from the above it's this - never assume anything to be true or false before lots of testing and trying it out for yourself. And don't believe or disbelieve people before you know if they're telling the truth or not. Just take a note about what you've read/heard and go test it if it's true or false. Then judge the person or advice.

It's funny you think this way. So if tmr you want to learn boxing and you go to this good coach for training;after a few minutes of training you said this ain't working for you because you need some "tweaking" to do it and boxing is not for everyone and then you quit. Does that sound like a quitter, anyone?

the stuff you wrote exposed your lack of knowledge of Chase's models/theories. So i am gonna use his models to solve your problems. To apply the law of Sprezzatura & Effortlessness i'm gonna make it simple: the pickup/seduction game is all about odds and Chase's tools significantly increases your odds of getting laid, or in other words, it makes you(actually not you but the majority of the pickup practitioners out there) luckier to get laid but it does not guarantee you getting laid! Just like the song " Get Lucky" by DAFT PUNK:
She's up all night to the sun
I'm up all night to get some
She's up all night for good fun
I'm up all night to get lucky

And read this: https://www.girlschase.com/content/picki ... ic-returns

 

[Godsninja]

I think there's a lot of stuff one might be very hesitant to consider, depending on how open you are, and how socially combined with sexually, aware you are. Be wary of your own skills and capabilities, because you won't be able to incorporate everything you read on her just like that, some things, you might not even be able to (in the short term at least), because it's just not you. Also take into consideration the balance of all the different tools, and even mindsets. With different people, come different traits, and different balance zones, and because they may be explaining something in one way, and not the other, your mind becomes skeptical.

It's also helpful to find a role model, someone who is very masculine and sexual, and whom you can look up to, like Bruce Willis. He's a complete bad-ass, but he has that loving, carrying, empathetic side that I can really relate to. Think of what he [your role model] would do in that situation. (and if you're doing it right, I couldn't image it being that far from what Chase, Ricardus, Franco, or anyone else for that matter, would do. But don't even worry about that, be your own man.)

If you find yourself being still skeptical, I recommend you go and take a few psychology and sociology courses to help you understand people. This would help you on a scientific level, and can probably introduce you to your own level or reasoning when it comes to people (which is what Chase does).

Tomi

 

[Mr. oblivious]

Haven't read anything but the title (im really tired) but i think what Chase, Franco and other GC contributors are trying to provide us is a set of skills to handle all different types of situations with women. And each article gives us another weapon in our arsenal.

Basically you may not need to use every weapon in your arsenal to get a girl or a specific girl may be wearing a bullet proof vest so you may need to stop using the pistol and bring out the bazooka.

 

[lux7]

Haven't read anything but the title (im really tired) but i think what Chase, Franco and other GC contributors are trying to provide us is a set of skills to handle all different types of situations with women. And each article gives us another weapon in our arsenal.

Long text aren't too attractive once tired after a long day eh?

I would agree with the OP though, this website is amazing and I learned a lot and often had those "damn this is so true" moments while reading, but as for almost everyone, always be wary of a natural human tendency: idolatry.

Still, take what more experience people than you are say at (the very) least in good consideration or as a good pointer .