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Gaturro

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Some nights I feel like a god. I talk to everyone, every single girl is happy to see me, and I pull girls who are sexy as fuck. A couple of days later I can’t even believe how I managed to do all that.

However, some other nights I get a huge approach anxiety. I still approach but I sub-communicate my anxiety anyway. And it shows.

I think this volatility comes from drinking alcohol, some nights it helps, some nights it hurts, but I’m not sure.

How can I have as many “good nights” as possible?
 

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Since you are not sure what causes the volatility, I recommend you post field reports on here. There is a specific board on here for that. Make detailed notes that you can go back and over time myself, and other guys here will be better able to see what is happening and guide you.
 

Will_V

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This is something I've had a lot of experience with through having had some kind of social anxiety for a long time before I turned around and faced it. This kind of volatility is a function of state and nothing more. Someone who doesn't know you has nothing to go by except what is on your face. When your face is under control, when it effuses the right kinds of emotions, you can achieve some very spectacular effects regardless of whether everything else about you is a mess.

But someone cannot control their face directly. The face reflects the internal state. And anxiety of any kind is the most detrimental social communication that anyone can have. It's only 'useful' function as far as I can tell is as a distress signal, but a public distress signal is essentially an acceptance of defeat and unselective relinquishing of control - probably the fastest and most effective way to signal lower status than the rest of the universe.

People have anxiety for different reasons, sometimes it's due to something happening right now, sometimes it's a habit started decades ago and reinforced through poor behavioural control. Regardless, it is something that must be purged from one's mind completely and utterly.

To be clear, displaying emotion (even negative emotion) can be fine and good. But some emotion - anxiety in particular - is not transformative in the same way anger or grief might be. It doesn't appear to modify a bad situation for the better, it does not 'clean' the spirit and create a natural transition, but is like a poisonous monument to past failure or lack of control. It has virtually no utility for a grown man, and as such it is an immediate differentiator, an indication of inferiority when others perceive it.

The best way I have found to combat anxiety is to transform it first into fear by voluntarily moving toward situations that produce it - that's the main reason I started doing daygame (and before that, kickboxing). Fear is a springboard emotion, it is pure raw material for much more constructive emotional states - I even read in a Scientific American article that determination starts off in the brain as fear, and is processed en route to become something that is useful. But anxiety is toxic and weak, and cannot really be harnessed or used for anything. As such it must be confronted and provoked until it becomes something else, and then transformed.

I don't know if this is the problem for you, but I mention it because anxiety has caused a lot of volatility in my social interactions, and it seems quite a few ladies men have or have had anxiety - probably because its roots come from the particular relationship between a child and his mother. When I see it in other men, it produces a strong, instinctive repulsion that I'm sure everyone feels too. Even when it occurs at very low levels, at the subconscious level, it flatlines seductions and the energy of meeting others and stymies one's ability to create any kind of connection, and especially to establish a dominant or assertive frame.

In fact, something I have noticed is that if you walk down the street and consciously pay attention to those people who did not capture your attention in any way, or if you are at a party and you consciously pay attention to all those people who you never even considered trying to meet, the one thing they all seem to have in common is some kind of latent anxiety or discomfort. So it seems that the social 'brain' already automatically screens out to a large extent those people who exhibit anxiety in public.

I believe that this is why some men who have spent a long time walking a disappointing path in life, who have built up a lot of 'out of date' negative emotion aka anxiety, get so ignored, so little in return for their efforts that they think seduction itself is some kind of scam. That's why any anxiety at all - even a little bit, even when you are a socially capable, likeable person - can very quickly rearrange other people's perspectives of you and shut down your enterprises with them. And it's why those people who are incapable of feeling any anxiety at all have a special capability to draw others toward them that is difficult for the average person to understand.

If anxiety is the problem, it is much better to develop the habit of presenting oneself to difficult situations and seizing control of them in a positive and active manner, enduring whatever happens for good or worse, being honestly introspective and striving to always keep one's spirit (the source of forward momentum, energy, and intent) clean and free of contamination, than it is to allow anxiety to fester and maim one's social capabilities for the rest of their life.
 

Gaturro

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Great answer, @Will_V! It’s always good to face your fears, I guess with time anxiety goes away. I’m still a bit rusty after being in a LTR, so I might need more time on the field.

I’ve always been too close to my mother. Was that what you meant could cause anxiety, or did you mean the complete opposite?

By the way, the other day when I had a lot of anxiety it felt like EVERY SINGLE GIRL in the club was watching me. And actually most were (seriously, I thought I was paranoid, but most girls turned to see me as I walked). It made me feel good looking, but I still had this anxiety, it was difficult to get out of my mind.

And still - one drunk girl who lost her keys and I calmed down, after she found her heys she was the whole night all over me, she even said I was the best thing that happened to her that night. But it didn’t feel as if I did anything, it felt too easy, while it was hard for me to approach ALL the girls I wanted to. Mainly because I don’t have a “universal” opener right now, might have to steal a few from you guys.
 
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Will_V

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Great answer, @Will_V! It’s always good to face your fears, I guess with time anxiety goes away. I’m still a bit rusty after being in a LTR, so I might need more time on the field.

I’ve always been too close to my mother. Was that what you meant could cause anxiety, or did you mean the complete opposite?

I think anxiety stems from an attempt to get attention and care from the mother when a child is young, and probably goes through several transformations as a man reaches adulthood that turn it into a more complex and entrenched state of being. Particularly divorces during childhood (which mess with a child's perception of how much parents value and care for them) seems to produce anxiety in men.

This kind of thing expresses in different ways though - if transformed into something more practical, it can make a man deadly with game, because he has an endless supply of compulsion and motivation for approximating himself to women.

But for some men it really creates a rift between them and women, especially if they have some bad negative experiences around them, and causes them to associate women with pain rather than desire.

This probably sounds unusual, but I believe a lot of people walk around with very regressive aspects to their personality embedded in childhood experiences, it's very common. Many times it simply categorizes someone as average who might otherwise be something exceptional. That's why self-development - which for me came particularly through meditation, fighting, seducing, and facing fears in general - is a necessary aspect for someone who doesn't want to be bounded by whatever circumstances they are in.

But I'm not entirely sure that what you are experiencing is actual anxiety, or at least anything other than something close to excitement, which sometimes gets confused with anxiety. I only mention it to see if it clicks with you, because it's something many men carry around without knowing what to do with.

It's probably best if you wrote field reports as suggested above. But one thing I would suggest too is to try some seductions that don't involve any preparation or logic, where you try to just act immediately on, and communicate, whatever it is that made her catch your eye in the first place, as this can do two things 1) connect you strongly with your instinctive desire, rather than worries and projections 2) it makes you face any anxiety, since you have no immediate procedure or plan to fall back on, and forces you to evaluate what appears in your mind on a momentary basis.

Seduction is a learned skill, it has plenty of technique and logic to it that can be learned and applied procedurally, but I think it's very useful to sometimes put oneself in situations that bring out the unknown, that force you to the present moment, that compel you to find and bring out what is already inside you that is useful, as sometimes it can be your best asset.
 

Gaturro

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I think anxiety stems from an attempt to get attention and care from the mother when a child is young, and probably goes through several transformations as a man reaches adulthood that turn it into a more complex and entrenched state of being. Particularly divorces during childhood (which mess with a child's perception of how much parents value and care for them) seems to produce anxiety in men.

This kind of thing expresses in different ways though - if transformed into something more practical, it can make a man deadly with game, because he has an endless supply of compulsion and motivation for approximating himself to women.

But for some men it really creates a rift between them and women, especially if they have some bad negative experiences around them, and causes them to associate women with pain rather than desire.

This probably sounds unusual, but I believe a lot of people walk around with very regressive aspects to their personality embedded in childhood experiences, it's very common. Many times it simply categorizes someone as average who might otherwise be something exceptional. That's why self-development - which for me came particularly through meditation, fighting, seducing, and facing fears in general - is a necessary aspect for someone who doesn't want to be bounded by whatever circumstances they are in.

But I'm not entirely sure that what you are experiencing is actual anxiety, or at least anything other than something close to excitement, which sometimes gets confused with anxiety. I only mention it to see if it clicks with you, because it's something many men carry around without knowing what to do with.

It's probably best if you wrote field reports as suggested above. But one thing I would suggest too is to try some seductions that don't involve any preparation or logic, where you try to just act immediately on, and communicate, whatever it is that made her catch your eye in the first place, as this can do two things 1) connect you strongly with your instinctive desire, rather than worries and projections 2) it makes you face any anxiety, since you have no immediate procedure or plan to fall back on, and forces you to evaluate what appears in your mind on a momentary basis.

Seduction is a learned skill, it has plenty of technique and logic to it that can be learned and applied procedurally, but I think it's very useful to sometimes put oneself in situations that bring out the unknown, that force you to the present moment, that compel you to find and bring out what is already inside you that is useful, as sometimes it can be your best asset.
The first paragraphs sound like Freudian therapy. I don’t agree with it fully, but I do agree with what you mentioned. Sadly, I believe some people with bad childhood experiences have a hard time self-developing, no matter how much you try to help. It’s up to them to want to change (and maybe a good therapist could help?)

As for the excitement feeling… it does make sense. I’m not sure if it’s anxiety or excitement yet, but it’s definitely a good way to trick my brain next time I feel it.

You really motivated me to approach, right now I just want to go out and talk to every single girl I see, so thanks for that.

I’ll go out on Christmas, so I’ll post a lay report on Saturday/Sunday. I’ll tell you how it goes :)
 
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