How To Maximize Reproductive Success As A Lover In Modern Society?

[Daedalus]

Let’s cut to the chase: the biological purpose of sex is reproduction.

Yet in modern society, the men who are best at sex, who have sex appeal, charisma, genetic fitness, the whole package, often leave zero evolutionary footprint. Meanwhile, average dudes with average game and average genes out-breed them simply by locking down the first woman who says yes. At a young age.

There are unemployed families with dozens of children living off state support paid from the taxes of fit, hard-working, successful men. I heard a story of someone with an IQ measured at around 190, who could bench press some 500lbs, who nevertheless lived in a garage and couldn't afford a girlfriend for much of his life because of the taxes, while the 70-IQ skinny next door was partying on his 15 children's state support. In real life, not in Idiocracy.

That is the ultimate evolutionary joke of our era. A system designed to promote dysgenics and the continuous degradation of the human species.

Natural sexual selection, once the engine of human greatness, has been interrupted. In the West, it’s basically illegal for sexual success to translate into reproductive success, barring crippling financial penalties.

So here's the uncomfortable question:

Why are we training ourselves into elite seducers if our culture has hijacked evolution to reward the provider, not the lover?

If the man who beds 100 women leaves fewer children than the man who marries at 18 and never touches a weight, something is fundamentally broken.

So, as a thought experiment, how do we restore the connection between sexual aptitude and reproductive outcomes?

Here are the three “strategies” I heard various men fantasize about:

1. Spread your seed through sperm banks​

Global, no-strings-attached reproduction.

The issues?

• Some countries retroactively force donors to pay.
• You’d have to travel to dodge usage limits.
• Verifying legal protection everywhere is near impossible.

And frankly, this doesn’t reward sexual skill. Any loser can jerk off into a cup. There is zero sexual selection, zero evolutionary optimization.

2. Go polygynous (by converting into a Muslim)​

You can get four wives, and knock them up each year.

The issues?

• Four marriages means four sets of responsibilities. Four emotional storms. Four financial drains.
• There is a huge financial and time cost. Rather than Genghis Khan, you become a stressed-out accountant with a beard.
• It only works well if you're already extremely wealthy and time-free...a rare combination you can take better advantage of in other ways.

It's actually not a better reproductive strategy for a lover, but rather for a turbo-charged provider...with all the provider's downsides on steroids too.

3. Become a citizen of a country where child support is capped​

Then impregnate as many women there as possible. Even with many children, your financial liability caps at a fixed percentage, and business structures can reduce taxable “personal income” close to zero. In theory.

Issues with this:

• Judges override caps. Women weaponize the system.
• Your reputation nukes your future success with high-quality women.
• And unless you're a billionaire, it still becomes a management nightmare.

This may well be the closest to the lover's natural strategy for reproductive success, but it still lacks one key ingredient of an ideal natural reproductive strategy: it prevents you from selectively investing in only those offspring with the greatest aptitude and chance for reproductive success of their own (as the parents of many animal species do, focus-feeding their strongest young).

And now the painful truth:

Men in the seduction world invest thousands of hours, and often tens of thousands of dollars, into becoming romantically and sexually exceptional ...yet society gives them NOTHING in terms of reproductive advantage for it.

No increased lineage.
No long-term genetic advantage.

As "pick-up artists", we play the "lover game", the quantity game. It actually leads to better quality outcomes as well...but the actual "quantitative" reproductive strategies that it's best suited for are denied us. Society tries to force us into the provider role, as much as it can, for any and all offspring we sire.

So why do we spend all of this time, effort, and resources to improve ourselves into better, sexier men? It feels a lot like chasing an elusive carrot, only to find out the game rules changed while we were playing it, and the carrot has been replaced with a plastic replica meanwhile.

Is “quality offspring from a high-quality woman” the only realistic evolutionary ROI available to the modern seducer?

Or is there an actual path, a legally viable path, to turn sexual mastery into reproductive mastery again?

Can seduction and, ultimately, our quality as male mates, ever matter evolutionarily in the West, or has society permanently severed that link?

Any and all thoughts on the topic are welcome. Gentlemen, please share your take on this oft-neglected topic of utmost evolutionary relevance.

 

[Absolutely_Human]

Let’s cut to the chase: the biological purpose of sex is reproduction.

I mean, you don’t need to "obey" nature. Humans regularly do things nature doesn’t "intend": we eat for pleasure, we use medicine to override natural processes, and we create technology that bypasses evolutionary constraints.

So even if the biological purpose of sex is reproduction, that doesn’t determine its human purpose.

I’d also add that nature isn’t a moral guide. In the wild you find fratricide, adultery, infant-killing, forced mating, parasitism... Behaviors we’d never consider acceptable.

 

[Bill]

- There are billions of people, how can one person ever make a genetic dent

- Why is that a goal to strive for

- How many kids you have doesn’t matter for a genetic footprint, what matters is how many kids your kids have and so on. If you have 100 kids but abandon them and they grow up poor in low fertility western or Asian cities they‘ll probably have few grandkids and far fewer great grandkids. On the other hand some Amish guy who has 5 kids but raises them embedded in a high fertility community could have 25 grandkids and 125 great grandkids.

-Things also change rapidly. In South Korea the fertility rate was 6 in 1960, whereas at current fertility rates for every 100 south Koreans they’ll have 7 great grand kids

- Its extremely rare even in Muslim countries to have multiple wives, and fertility rate is also declining in Muslim countries

- all enduring civilizations themselves had social conditioning, religious traditions, regulations and laws that altered the metrics that lead to procreating to be based on other traits beyond what is baseline sexually attractive

- for most of human history we lived in small tribes, what we are genetically programmed to be attracted to is not necessarily the best trait for success or survival in civilization or modern civilization which is a relatively recent phenomenon