How to proceed when she fights back my frame (She is challenging me back). Let me explain you guys.

[BlueK]

Here is the thing,
I open a girl inside the bus, we were standing close and I lean toward her ear and say this in her ear "I think you are standing in the wrong place" (something similar because I forgot a little bit), now what I said was partially true so I used the situation to challenge her and see how she would react to that opener (obviously guys I said that opener with great subcomunication, a combination of sexual + playful and challenging vibe) so please do not say nothing about the opener (IT WAS PERFECT), point is in how she reacted.
She felt my sexual intent and playful flirtation and I am pretty sure she liked so she challenged me back by saying "NOu" but her NO sounded very challenging to me, it was like if she was saying me (I wont acept your frame even when you are right, in other words, I wont acept your masculine authority). IT FEELS SO GOOD WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THOSE GIRLS BECAUSE THEY CHALLENGE YOUR GAME AND MAKE YOU IMPROVE AND THAT GIRL MADE ME COME HERE TO POST ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

My question is
What to do or say when a girl challenge you back (and they dont acept your frame). Some examples:

PUA: I am sure you are the type of girl who likes.... (challenge)
Her: NO. I am NOT (they say No even when is Yes)

My example is similiar as the above
ME: "I think you are standing in the wrong place" (playful challenge) (it was partially true and any person would have said "Oh yeah it is true, thanks") but because she felt my intention she said "NO. I am NOT" ( I know it is good sign, shows she felt my Confidence)

But I didnt know what to say back. I felt like she won the frame since she didnt acept it, and when somebody rejects your frame, your frame inmidiately becomes weak).
Like this:
Somebody: the Sky is Blue
Me: NO. It is NOT.

what would you do or say to win the battle in an attractive way???

 

[Rakehell]

Sometimes the best response is none at all. If you were trying to pick this girl up you could’ve just changed the subject.

“Hey, I think you’re in the wrong spot. Unless....you’re just trying to get close to me”

“Ummmm.... noo”

“Im Jake whats your name?”

“Megan”

For example

 

[BlueK]

I don't like to go for the name exchange as you mentioned because unless she is already attracted to you by your physical appearance, she doesn't really want to do that (she finds no reasons for it), since you are trying for rapport too soon.
I built value myself by challenging her but if I throw away my first attitude of a challenging man and try to make rapport with her asking her name I destroy that value I built and she will categorize me as another boring guy out there who try to exchange name very quickly without building any value first.

Have you had the experience before that when you open a girl and then you go to "What is your name?" She responds "why you want to know my name I do not even know you" (she is telling you, I do not feel any attraction for you to exchange names with you).

I think there are better ways to respond to her when she is challenging back and use that to build more value and maybe after that she will ask my name herself. Since the reasons of why she challenged back is to see how would you respond (she wants to see what you are made of, deep down), so I think that non responding at all and changing subject is a Weak thing to do ( Not wrong move but you lose value if you go specially for name exchange).

For most hot girls is not enough that you build some value by delievering a challenging line. Hot girls need that you Show very HARD your value.

 

[Rakehell]

Giving a name to someone is pretty basic. If a girl is interested to the smallest degree she wont mind giving her name.

Also, unless you feel defeated changing the subject won’t make you lesser in value. It’s all in how you do it. If you, pause before answering, look deep into her eyes, don’t give off any nervous tics, keep your voice tone warm and gravly, you will be okay.

Have you ever talked to someone and instead of replying they just gave you a funny look and changed the subject? Doesn’t really feel like you won does it?

Thinking of witty lines and crazy comebacks on the spot is way too much effort, those things only help to further attract a girl who’s already attracted. If she wont give you her name she wont respond to such tactics.

It also sounds like you’re putting these hotter girls on a pedestal a bit, you’ll only come off like a try hard if you have some great retort to a simple “No”. Wait until further in the interaction when you have something better to work with. These things should come naturally.

 

[Beck Bass]

While I think all @sunking said is very valid, I would also add that sometimes you really don't need to have a girl's name, if it's super super on, sometimes you don't even wanna waste your time getting to know her name before you escalate further, for example. That said, yes, just change the subject, there's no reason to be stuck on something inproductive.
In you case, @BlueK, you just told her something she was doing "wrong", as an excuse to flirt, and she challenged you back. The first thing you should do is just explain WHY she's wrong at all lmao (if you want to continue down this path, that is). If she still denies it, you probably should just drop it, because you don't wanna be stacking no's (negative compliance?) this early in the interaction, specially because you might just be dragging this interaction downhill just for the sake of satifying this urge you have to feel like this opener was totally killer (an opener is just an opener, after all).
That said, just changing the subject when there a small bump and things don't go super smooth can be a bit weak, as well, she might think you have no balls what-so-ever, so if a girl challenges you, in general you wanna address it (ignoring it on the right way can be a way for that, but it needs to be done from the right place, and feeling defeated is obviously not). But yeah, I think you got a bit too stuck on your opener, ideally you just introduce yourself after that and she starts complying. I know these type of challenging/combative seductions can be fun, but they can also very easily backfire, you miscalibrate a bit and end up saying something that hurts the girl accidentaly, or you don't quite have you frame handled, the girl defeats you and loses her attraction. Flirtation to this point tends to be quite unecessary (of course you can just say fuck it and have fun with it, not caring about the results, but if you didn't care about the results I suppose you wouldn't be asking, right?)

 

[ulrich]

What @Beck Bass says

 

[Rakehell]

All in all it just seems like an inefficient expenditure of effort trying to force your frame in this situation.

You either force her into a defensive state i.e “No i’m supposed to be here”, or cause her to eject “you’re right i’ll leave”.

The most efficient thing here would be to take the small loss of dropping your frame (which arguably could be considered strong given how you do it). And building dialogue on a better more productive frame.

I can’t foresee that interaction going very far had you forced the frame of her not being where she was supposed to be.

Maybe if you kept it lighthearted and authoritative with something like “I own this bus you know, I could have you thrown off”.

But then again this is all in theory.

 

[BlueK]

ok thank you guys, great answers

Yup, I actually agree that changing subject is valid and keeping the frame battle was not necessary but I wanted to play a little with it and I ran out of ideas to keep going.

And I figured later I should have said the reasons of why she was in the wrong place and win the playful battle and establish a playful dominance frame that way (by the way @Beck Bass mentioned, great mate)

I also liked a lot the last line @sunking mentioned (beautiful line): “I own this bus you know, I could have you thrown off”.

thank you guys