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A hard close is defined as finding out when the girl is available for you 2 to meet and arranging the meeting (logistics).... I specifically advice this after you get high investment and properly soft closing a girl. A basic structure is to ask "how does your schedule looks like?" or "how does Friday at 7 pm sounds" or lets meet on Saturday at 2;00 pm at the Starbucks in Atlantic ave.
topcat told me "dude, how can someone screw a hard close, there is no need to make a post on this, there is no way you can screw a hard close", but of course people manage to screw this up which is the reason for this post....
not another skills analogy, well we need one.... Imagine you properly seduce a girl, she is wet, she open the legs and she is ready for your dick to go balls deep in her pussy walls, and you are fumbling and do not know how to open a condom, you don't know how to put a condom, your dick is not getting hard, and she is just waiting and waiting with the legs wide open, after 10 minutes you finally manage to get your dick hard and put the condom on, but she goes "i need to feed my goldfish can you take me home"... Lets assume you have this multimillionaire steve jobs and you are closing a 10 million dollar commission deal, he tells you after you pitching him for 45 minutes where do i sign, and instead of you turning the contract, shutting the fuck up, and looking at him in the eyes while giving him the pen, and saying "sign where the x is at please, you are just agreeing to buy this water front", you go "yes steve you won't regret it, is the best decision you made in your life, you will be so happy, are you sure you don't want me to show you the terrace blah blah" now you have totally fucked up the deal.... Cause in both scenarios you just subcommunicated that you are incompetent, socially retarded and that you don't know what you are doing.....
^ therefore there are many reasons to screw up a hard close that i have seen:
Scenario 1.- No soft closing and going for the hard close.... If you do this since you are not clear in your intentions and having a normie convo she will get confused on what are you requesting (i call a normie convo a convo that you can have with the man assuming you are hetero, or with your mom, or sister or boss vs a man to women convo where is obvious if you get stuck in an elevator she will get FUCKED and come out of the elevator with cum dripping out of the vagina or her face or her tits.)
Scenario 2.- having a biz transaction/negotiation logical arrangement vs a flirty and/or emotionally charge convo (this is mainly cause by a failure of not knowing her available schedule).-
hb: oh i can't friday, i have this going on (this shit should not happen cause the whole point is for you to know her availability if you have done shit correctly)
pua: what about sunday what does your schedule looks like for sunday?
hb: i can't sunday i will have to wax my vagina
pua: so what about wenesday, do you think we can do it wenesday?..
double text,
pua: hello can you tell me when you will be available next week?
^ as you can see it is not seduction, is like a weird schedule arrangement totally no flow/anti seductive....
Scenario 3.- when there are problems or changes in the schedule going into the schedule arrangement or worst butt hurt pattern vs going back to saying is ok, you are cool not worries, no problem maybe some other time.... Then continue with a bit of banter or flintiness even if super minimally vs going biz rearrangement scheduling mode....
pua butt hurt: oh come on, why you did not tell me before, this is very disappointing blah blah blahb ------> red pill/mgtow crap... and after, again, pua biz logical crap: "ok maybe we can do Wednesday how does Wednesday sound? when she replies negative what about Friday? what about Saturday at 5 does that work?? etc.... again anti seduction biz arrangement mode
^ the right move is to be, "no worries there is nothing to apologize for my sexy nurse, maybe some other time" ideally wait for her to give you an alternative, the super highest move odds, is to go back to banter and maybe do a soft close again (example of how i do this later)... I personally don't do any other moves so i will not teach anything i don't do, sorry...
^ guys I do high odd moves, i don't work on "no frame" i don't work "on negative compliance" but this is me, if you do something else cool! good for you...
Scenario 4.- Do not schedule dates way in advance(over 3 days)... If is a Monday and she wants to meet on Sunday, just saying.... "I usually don't schedule days more than 3 days closer cause usually something can come up on my end or you end, lets revisit this on Friday, and keep minimally bantering with the "morning ping" etc... (example of this later, this will lead to flake land...also keep engaging the lead even if minimally, again use the morning stuff.... or the eyes emoji....
Confirm scheduling on the day preferable mornings, and assume close with text couple of hours prior, ex morning, are we still go for tonight....and then Couple of hours prior getting ready to leave in 15 minutes (more samples of this later)....
Bonus.- This is not needed, but future projections are a bit of an enhancement, you do no really need it, but you can play with this...ex.-"you are going to love it" "we are going to have a blast" etc...
^ Guys in my crew are really smooth with hard closings, i will give examples of everything I just explained, all these guys are guys that are constantly getting laid with multiple women, hot women, following my texting method structure, and are some in USA, some in Europe, the reason i got them involve, is cause not everybody does grandmaster style or baiting, but they still follow my structure, but i will give you one of my most recent samples(how i re-shedule if she declines, though no really apply cause she was joking, but it exactly how i do re-shedules if it happens which for me rarely ever)...
player 1 super simple hard close sample following a soft close(i don't like the opener but this is about hard closing)
^as you can see nothing biz transactional smooth and flows....
player 2 scenario, converting a high interest girl ping into a hard close again same pattern flow no biz transactional:
scenario 3 hard closing with follow up and confirmation... (this one is online so the soft closing was done online)
here is one of the pings i recommend other than morning ping, the eyes emoji as follow up
Here girls throw age shit test, he handles it well....
^ Confirming appt. I personally would not open like he did as confirmation, i would have minimally banter first, but still here you can see him confirming appointment which most guys don't do....
^ after sex, he follow my advice of "text me when you get home to make sure you made it ok/safe"
Scenario of hot lead that drop of went cold, follow by a girl ping and simple logistics handling:
Scenario of date too far away more than 3 days out, look how to handle it smoothly:
^ he kind of broke up a bit the rule, cause he rewarding horniness compliance and she is super high interest investing a lot is obvious she won't flake...(my point is calibrate)
Scenario of re-scheduling, this is exactly how i go about re-scheduling (though in this case she was joking, that is exactly how i do with no joking involve, same pattern, notice how i am not butt hurt and cont. bantering and then assume the close etc...)... Though i do a lot of grandmaster style you don't have to is just to make the point on re-sheduling, without negative compliance...Context i met at club a week before from cold approach...(recent no time machine seducer crap)
rubia means blonde in spanish....
look how i handle perceived negative compliance (though she was trolling)
^ cont. now guys here is another soft close, see i just did not go reschedule from negative compliance i re soft close then hard close same convo the forum can not accept more than 20 images so i have to write it out:
me: reallyyyy don't stop cont. (with monkey covering eyes emoji)
blondie: yes, send more
me: nah you can see me tonight
blondie: you want to see me
me: of course
^ i assumed the close vs hard closing, since her re scheduling was a joke, no real, i did not have to re hard close, i just assume the previous hard close:
me: I am getting ready text you when i am leaving so we can meet in atlantic ave. i usually park at the library
blondie: where are we going?
me: there is a lot of stuff to do there depending on our mood is fun
blondie: ok, just us?
me: yes, well with my best friend
blondie: Your bringing your friend or the dog?
me: my best friend, Optimus prime! his always with me (i don't know emoji)
blondie: lol
me: i am honest, no hablo ingles much (means i don't speak english much)
blondie: use google translate
me: ok rubia
blondie: where is the library?
me: atlantic delray were all the clubs are
blondie: ok
blondie: did you leave?
me: no yet in 15
blondie: ok lmk
^ If you notice all of our hard closes don't even look like a hard close biz transaction, just smooth and with flow....
topcat told me "dude, how can someone screw a hard close, there is no need to make a post on this, there is no way you can screw a hard close", but of course people manage to screw this up which is the reason for this post....
not another skills analogy, well we need one.... Imagine you properly seduce a girl, she is wet, she open the legs and she is ready for your dick to go balls deep in her pussy walls, and you are fumbling and do not know how to open a condom, you don't know how to put a condom, your dick is not getting hard, and she is just waiting and waiting with the legs wide open, after 10 minutes you finally manage to get your dick hard and put the condom on, but she goes "i need to feed my goldfish can you take me home"... Lets assume you have this multimillionaire steve jobs and you are closing a 10 million dollar commission deal, he tells you after you pitching him for 45 minutes where do i sign, and instead of you turning the contract, shutting the fuck up, and looking at him in the eyes while giving him the pen, and saying "sign where the x is at please, you are just agreeing to buy this water front", you go "yes steve you won't regret it, is the best decision you made in your life, you will be so happy, are you sure you don't want me to show you the terrace blah blah" now you have totally fucked up the deal.... Cause in both scenarios you just subcommunicated that you are incompetent, socially retarded and that you don't know what you are doing.....
^ therefore there are many reasons to screw up a hard close that i have seen:
Scenario 1.- No soft closing and going for the hard close.... If you do this since you are not clear in your intentions and having a normie convo she will get confused on what are you requesting (i call a normie convo a convo that you can have with the man assuming you are hetero, or with your mom, or sister or boss vs a man to women convo where is obvious if you get stuck in an elevator she will get FUCKED and come out of the elevator with cum dripping out of the vagina or her face or her tits.)
Scenario 2.- having a biz transaction/negotiation logical arrangement vs a flirty and/or emotionally charge convo (this is mainly cause by a failure of not knowing her available schedule).-
hb: oh i can't friday, i have this going on (this shit should not happen cause the whole point is for you to know her availability if you have done shit correctly)
pua: what about sunday what does your schedule looks like for sunday?
hb: i can't sunday i will have to wax my vagina
pua: so what about wenesday, do you think we can do it wenesday?..
double text,
pua: hello can you tell me when you will be available next week?
^ as you can see it is not seduction, is like a weird schedule arrangement totally no flow/anti seductive....
Scenario 3.- when there are problems or changes in the schedule going into the schedule arrangement or worst butt hurt pattern vs going back to saying is ok, you are cool not worries, no problem maybe some other time.... Then continue with a bit of banter or flintiness even if super minimally vs going biz rearrangement scheduling mode....
pua butt hurt: oh come on, why you did not tell me before, this is very disappointing blah blah blahb ------> red pill/mgtow crap... and after, again, pua biz logical crap: "ok maybe we can do Wednesday how does Wednesday sound? when she replies negative what about Friday? what about Saturday at 5 does that work?? etc.... again anti seduction biz arrangement mode
^ the right move is to be, "no worries there is nothing to apologize for my sexy nurse, maybe some other time" ideally wait for her to give you an alternative, the super highest move odds, is to go back to banter and maybe do a soft close again (example of how i do this later)... I personally don't do any other moves so i will not teach anything i don't do, sorry...
^ guys I do high odd moves, i don't work on "no frame" i don't work "on negative compliance" but this is me, if you do something else cool! good for you...
Scenario 4.- Do not schedule dates way in advance(over 3 days)... If is a Monday and she wants to meet on Sunday, just saying.... "I usually don't schedule days more than 3 days closer cause usually something can come up on my end or you end, lets revisit this on Friday, and keep minimally bantering with the "morning ping" etc... (example of this later, this will lead to flake land...also keep engaging the lead even if minimally, again use the morning stuff.... or the eyes emoji....
Confirm scheduling on the day preferable mornings, and assume close with text couple of hours prior, ex morning, are we still go for tonight....and then Couple of hours prior getting ready to leave in 15 minutes (more samples of this later)....
Bonus.- This is not needed, but future projections are a bit of an enhancement, you do no really need it, but you can play with this...ex.-"you are going to love it" "we are going to have a blast" etc...
^ Guys in my crew are really smooth with hard closings, i will give examples of everything I just explained, all these guys are guys that are constantly getting laid with multiple women, hot women, following my texting method structure, and are some in USA, some in Europe, the reason i got them involve, is cause not everybody does grandmaster style or baiting, but they still follow my structure, but i will give you one of my most recent samples(how i re-shedule if she declines, though no really apply cause she was joking, but it exactly how i do re-shedules if it happens which for me rarely ever)...
player 1 super simple hard close sample following a soft close(i don't like the opener but this is about hard closing)
^as you can see nothing biz transactional smooth and flows....
player 2 scenario, converting a high interest girl ping into a hard close again same pattern flow no biz transactional:
scenario 3 hard closing with follow up and confirmation... (this one is online so the soft closing was done online)
here is one of the pings i recommend other than morning ping, the eyes emoji as follow up
Here girls throw age shit test, he handles it well....
^ Confirming appt. I personally would not open like he did as confirmation, i would have minimally banter first, but still here you can see him confirming appointment which most guys don't do....
^ after sex, he follow my advice of "text me when you get home to make sure you made it ok/safe"
Scenario of hot lead that drop of went cold, follow by a girl ping and simple logistics handling:
Scenario of date too far away more than 3 days out, look how to handle it smoothly:
^ he kind of broke up a bit the rule, cause he rewarding horniness compliance and she is super high interest investing a lot is obvious she won't flake...(my point is calibrate)
Scenario of re-scheduling, this is exactly how i go about re-scheduling (though in this case she was joking, that is exactly how i do with no joking involve, same pattern, notice how i am not butt hurt and cont. bantering and then assume the close etc...)... Though i do a lot of grandmaster style you don't have to is just to make the point on re-sheduling, without negative compliance...Context i met at club a week before from cold approach...(recent no time machine seducer crap)
rubia means blonde in spanish....
look how i handle perceived negative compliance (though she was trolling)
^ cont. now guys here is another soft close, see i just did not go reschedule from negative compliance i re soft close then hard close same convo the forum can not accept more than 20 images so i have to write it out:
me: reallyyyy don't stop cont. (with monkey covering eyes emoji)
blondie: yes, send more
me: nah you can see me tonight
blondie: you want to see me
me: of course
^ i assumed the close vs hard closing, since her re scheduling was a joke, no real, i did not have to re hard close, i just assume the previous hard close:
me: I am getting ready text you when i am leaving so we can meet in atlantic ave. i usually park at the library
blondie: where are we going?
me: there is a lot of stuff to do there depending on our mood is fun
blondie: ok, just us?
me: yes, well with my best friend
blondie: Your bringing your friend or the dog?
me: my best friend, Optimus prime! his always with me (i don't know emoji)
blondie: lol
me: i am honest, no hablo ingles much (means i don't speak english much)
blondie: use google translate
me: ok rubia
blondie: where is the library?
me: atlantic delray were all the clubs are
blondie: ok
blondie: did you leave?
me: no yet in 15
blondie: ok lmk
^ If you notice all of our hard closes don't even look like a hard close biz transaction, just smooth and with flow....
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