HOW to REALLY keep the momentum with a GIRL with ZERO experience.

[torrancea88]

Hi everybody, so this is my case I’ve been dating this girl for a month now, this is a good girl, I like her, we have lots of things in common and our mindsets are very similar. However there’s a catch, she is VERY inexperienced I don’t mean a little, I mean ZERO experience whatsoever. So in the light of this fact I have been patient, I’ve taken this slowly with her So I don't push things too far for her.

So, we’ve gone out on several dates, and finally like two weeks ago we finally made out, she was extremely nervous her hands shook, so did her lips, at my first attempt to kiss her she said “I’ve never been kissed, I’ve very inexperienced” fair enough, I hugged her and told her it was ok, when she calmed down a bit I tried to kiss her again, and this time we kissed, I did it as sweet for her as I could and that was it.

Since our first kiss, we’ve gone out on several more dates, and kissing hand holding and what not, have become much more natural now she seems much less nervous and things have become much smoother between us in that regard.

Precisely the above is one of the things that concerns me the most, you see I don’t want this relationship to become monotonous or boring for her, I think that eventually I won’t be able to keep things interesting, and now that I have introduced her to the dating world she might want to consider her options with other guys if you know what I mean.

Plus, I don’t really see any results in terms of her becoming infatuating with me, I don’t know if it is because she is extremely shy, but I notice her still a little cold in terms of displays of affection, yes we kiss, we hold hands we hug and what not, but by this point with any other girl I’d be expecting much more initiative from her, like kissing me by herself without me having to go for the kiss, at least a text message from her, but it hasn’t happen. I’m the one who always texts her, one time though I told her to text me when she get to a place and she did, but that was it.

She is a good girl but unfortunately gullible because of her lack of experience, I care about her, and I respect the fact that she hasn’t been with any man, but regrettably this is the XXI century and the mechanics of dating have changed forever, I know the next step is SEX, is the only thing that will enable me to keep the momentum going, and incidentally the only thing that will give me some sense of security with her as well.

Although as I said I appreciate the fact that she is innocent, I know that if I don’t keep things interesting by taking her to the next step, SOMEBODY ELSE WILL, and perhaps that person won’t have as good intentions as I do, so she will be hurt pretty badly because of this. Thus, despite the potential ethical implications of this, I think there’s no way out of it, these days.


I've learned that "close the deal" is not kissing FAR FROM IT, kissing is like starting to negotiate a deal, is just the beginning of the negotiation process, the deal is closed when you take a girl to bed, Therefrom, you'll be in control for the first time in the whole process, I find a little sad what relationships have become these days, 50 years ago sex was only conceivable after marriage, and you knew she was going to be your wife, so it was totally out of the question that she was going to cheat on you, cos the social punishment was unbearable. Now, even if you don't want to, YOU HAVE TO "CLOSE THE DEAL" through sex, cos is the only way, and the only time where you might get a sort of "Sense of security" with the woman you're dating, for the first time she would be in a somewhat unfavorable position, and YOU would have the upper hand. Is kind of sad though.

I'm now dealing with how to maintain this dating process interesting, what sort of activities to try, where to go, how to keep things fresh now that the kiss barrier has been broken, and kissing and the initial level of physical contact, will eventually stop being a novelty for her. the question here would be HOW TO ESCALATE?

So as you can see I’m in a crossroads here, so I’d like some advice from you guys. Some insight, in fact any opinion or comment is welcome!



Cheers

Jack

 

[MisterX]

The first question that pops in my mind is how old are you two?

I mean there's a difference if you're both 16 or 21 or 26 or 30+

When I was just beginning I dated a girl just like that. It was actually before I lost all the weight, got rid of the stupid haircut and started learning game, etc.

The girl was shy. Super innocent. She was like an angel. And looked super cute - 160sm/5 feet 4 inches tall,blond, had the cutest high pitched voice, had tight body and D breasts, that she was always hiding(it was at our 3-4 date that she wore a cleavage and I realized how big they were) . But the thing was she was the most passive girl I've ever met.

Well she had some emotional baggage. Her parents had a divorce when she was 10 and both went to live in different cities. And left her in her home town with only her grandmother. So she had to raise herself from the age of 10.
I respected her so much for this.

But I swear I've never met more passive girl. She never called me once, or asked me on a date, even when we were dating. Every time I called her and proposed we go out. And I know she really liked me because every time she saw me she light up, became happy and cheerful (and this was a girl that usually was not cheerful and smiling - some guys I new, who used to be in her class told me she was really closed up and neutral all the time).

She wanted me to meet her mother. And introduced me to her father, who was in town for a few days, over drinks.

But the sex was always the problem. Every time I tried to invite her home or go to her place, she'd freak out. Every time I'd try to even play with her breasts she'd freak. We dated for 2 months like that. She was super enthusiastic to go out, hold hands, make out, but never did anything else.

I was truly in love with her, but I just couldn't keep going like this so we broke up - though nowadays if there is no sex - it's not a relationship.


Fast forward a year and a few months. After I got my heart broken by a girl and lost all the weight,got sexy and learned game. We accidentally met and she couldn't believe how much I'd change. I could see in her eyes that she liked me a lot. She even asked me out for the first time. We went on our date and she was sooo into me. A few days later I learned she had a boyfriend for 6-7 months. Regardless she asked me out to a disko with some of her girl friends. I went - but this time was mysterious, no hesitation, sexual, we danced together and like the dirty dance kind - touching all over grinding, I manhandled her and at one moment was on top of her in the disko and we started the most passionate making out I've ever had. I took her home that night and she wanted to have sex this time - but I just couldn't do it.
I couldn't sleep with her knowing she had a boyfriend. This is not a girl for a one night stand. But I couldn't start dating a girl who cheated on her boyfriend with me.
And I couldn't just sleep with her one time - I couldn't ruin her relationship and make her feel bad only for one night of sex.


So I let her go. She's with a new boyfriend now and seem pretty happy. I decided not to get involved with her. The problem was I knew I'd fall madly in love with her. No matter how experienced I'm I'll always fall really hard for her.

But the thing was she didn't have her life in order. She was too shy, too passive,too weak. Not the kind of woman I want in my life.




My advice is this to just let her go. She must have some emotional problems and she has super low self esteem and confidence.

While my type is shy-excited girls, without much experience. I think you shouldn't date a girl with low self esteem.
Girls like that are passive, seem cold, hard to get to bed - and you'll fall in love with her.

If the relationship progresses - she'll become clingy, jealous.

Not to seem harsh but I feel like she's not the girl for a relationship. Maybe after she find a guy to fix her. But not at the moment.



btw really you must tell your age and hers, to get better advice.

 

[torrancea88]

I'm 23 she is 19, but I really don't know what difference does it make, as a matter of fact I disagree with the approach you took in regard to the girl you dated for 2 months, in fact I think that if you don't wake a girl like that to sex, somebody else will, and that's exactly what happened with the girl you were dating.

Another fellow who had a little bit more of patience who managed to turn her on gradually, got the reward and took the virginity of a nice looking girl, perhaps he was a jerk and dumped her who knows? We know though that her current boyfriend is not the guy that took her virginity, is a maxim in the PUA's book that pretty girls once they debut in the relationships game they are rarely single, they are not like the rest of the world who go from single to a relationship to single and so on, they go from boyfriend to better boyfriend to better boyfriend and so fort. and I'm not even talking about a gorgeous woman just a somewhat "cute" girl is enough.

As for me what am I gonna do? I've been dating this girl for 2 months now, approximately the same time you dated the girl from your example, but I'm not gonna give up, you see with this I'm not saying that I'm gonna give up the possibility to hit on other girls or look up for chances to hit on them, NOT BY ANY MEANS, in fact I will continue to hit on girls, getting numbers, going out on dates, and in general playing the game. Am I being a jerk because of this? NO, in fact this is 2013, and as long as you haven't had sex with a girl, SHE IS NOT YOUR GIRLFRIEND, she's just a girl you're dating, THUS you owe her nothing and there shouldn't exclusivity in terms of romantic partners, IN FACT and we all know this, if she was a girl with a little bit more of experience she might be seeing other guys while dating me, and ACTUALLY this is what MOST modern women do!

Plus if I remain active in the game, going out on dates, making out with other girls, and even having sex if I have the chance, I would avoid infatuation, and if things do not work out with the inexperienced girl, well there wouldn't be much damage done, and I would be able to move on swiftly.

How am I going to do this? Well, she is a sexual being as we all are, sex is not foreign to her, I mean sex has crossed her mind thousands of times, in fact SEX WITH ME, most likely has crossed her mind dozens of times, is just that she is new to this and naturally she is wary of the unknown. But the fact and the matter is that women also have sexual desires and they have to put out their sexual desires by having sex. I'm deadly sure that when I touch her hips, and kiss her lips passionately something starts going on in her body, has it happens to us when we kiss a pretty girl or fondle her.

So, I'm gonna turn her on gradually, every time we go on dates, I would escalate to another physical level, my touch would be more intense and erotic, my kisses more passionate. As we date more and know each other better, and I'm able to create much more comfort with her, she will start to open up much more, she would act much more secure around me, and in fact she would learn to trust me, AND THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING AS A MATTER OF FACT, she seems much more relaxed, more open, more interested day after day in me, NOW SHE WANTS ME, SHE MISSES ME, SHE IS BECOMING INFATUATED WITH ME.

So, is an explosive cocktail, infatuation, plus fondling and physical escalation, and there will come a time when SHE WOULD ASK FOR IT, of course not literally but you know what I mean, when I feel the time is right I'm going to invite her to my place, the first time she comes I won't do anything to her, I might touch her, I might physically escalate a little bit more while we are together at my place, but in terms of sex nothing is gonna happen. why not you must be asking? Well, simple, I want her to feel comfortable with the idea of coming to my apartment, I don't want her to associate the idea of coming to my apartment with SEX, I want the moments that she'd spend at my place to be sexual, but also romantic, I want her to be comfortable and relax.

Now, the second time will be different, then is when I'm going to proceed and try to take her to bed, but it'll happen naturally cos I've been turning her on for MONTHS, she is infatuated with me and plus she trusts me, so it'd happen nice and smoothly, sure she might hesitate like it happened when we first made out, BUT JUST LIKE THEN, her sexual desires and the fact THAT SHE REALLY WANTS ME, will make her move forward.

Cheers

Jack.

 

[MisterX]

I'm sorry If I'll upset you bu from what you wrote it's clear that you're a beginner.

You're over investing in this girl and that's the problem. You say "I won't give up with her" etc. Meaning you're either putting her on a pedestal or just falling in love.

Plus I seriously doubt you'll be going out with other girls while dating this one.

If you really were meeting and sleeping with other girls, you wouldn't even care about this one - you'd get another girlfriend.

It like you're sleeping with a girl much hotter that likes you a lot and you like her, so why not date her and forget the virgin.


And what you said that if you sleep with other girls it'd be okay.. Let me ask you how would you feel if right now she goes out meet a stranger and has sex with him? How'd you feel if you've been investing months in her and some other random guy takes her virginity? And she sleeps with another 4-5 guys while you're still dating but haven't had sex, cause you know you're not exclusive?



From what I read you want this girl for a serious relationship. Otherwise you wouldn't bother with her. If you've read Chase's I don't chase'm I replace'm there are pretty easy rules to follow.
- if you've been seeing her 1 month and still no sex - cut contact
- if you've tried to sexually escalate 3 times and she resisted - cut contact

This is because you don't care about the girl. And you can sleep with others cause you don't care about this one. You don't want a relationship with her. You just want sex.

And my friend that's just not the case with you. You want this one girl for a serious exclusive relationship. And you'll be over investing.


Honestly I feel that you'll succeed with her. You'll take away her virginity and start a relationship with her. But the relationship will end bad for you.

Even Chase had a take on taking a girl's virginity. That it won't go well for you if you want a relationship. Cause if you're the only one she's slept with - she'll be curious what sex would be with other guys. And she's 19 - she starting college/university - the place where your american girls want to get drunk and fucked by some random guy.

Plus if you're really good in bed - I mean make her scream and have 10 orgasms and forget her own name. If she's never been with another guy she'll think that sex with every guys is this good, or even better. On the other hand if she's been with 1-2-3 guys before you - she'll know how much better than all the others you are. She'll look at you like you're a sex god and she'll be putty in your hands.


That's what I meant that if you take her virginity - you'll only be fixing her for the next guy who sleeps with her.


And that why I don't think it's a good idea to date a virgin girl - if you want a serious relationship - it just won't work out. And that's why I let the other one go.
Look in my case - the guy after me took her virginity and she dumped him a few months later to be with another guy, she actually dated 3-4 more guys the next year and after that she settled down with her present bf. She slept with 3-4-5 guys after that shmuck and left him heart broken.
I on the other hand got out early and saved my self hear ache.

 

[torrancea88]

Is an interesting point of view what you laid down, it might be true, but still I'm not sure, you see most girls who have sex for the very first time with a fellow, become really attached to the guy you said it yourself they got clingy and jealous. So my take is that most first time girls tend to BE DUMP not DUMPERS if you know what I mean. I don't think a girl who has only had one boyfriend, her first, the one that taught her what sex was about and whatnot, would have the impetus to DUMP him just because she became curious of some other guy's potential performance in the sack.

Despite the common belief, is true that men become emotionally attached faster than women that's right, but when women become attached emotionally to a guy they do it in a stronger way than a guy will.

However there's a difference here that you might be ignoring unlike your girl this one is far from a polished diamond, or a stunningly good looking girl, she is just "ok" but she has potential though in terms of her physical appearance, however she is not by any means a dazzling beauty, so I doubt she received a lot of male attention before me, I mean as I said she does have potential, but she is this kind of girls who look goofy, sort of geeky and that appearance is somewhat not very appealing these days. Thus, I don't think guys hit on her a lot IF ANY. I fact I was the first guy who ever kissed her.

Incidentally, this is a girl who had an old-fashioned (conservative) upbringing, yeah I know that is not very encouraging in terms of me taking her to bed before making marriage vows, but reality is undeniable, and WE ALL KNOW that despite all the gibberish that some of these girls talk when they're younger, a VERY small percentage of those girls actually get virgin to their marriages, and that's a pathetic fact of XXI century's western world culture.

Cheers

Jack.

 

[MisterX]

That actually is my perfect kind of girl - cute, innocent-looking, kinda nerdy, kinda goofy, different from the other girls and maybe a bit weird.

So kudos for having great taste.


And I don't know what this girl is like, I live in Eastern Europe where girls do want relationships and most relationships last for years. Meaning a girl is super unlikely to dump you once you've started dating.
And from your first date/kiss the girl is exclusive, meaning she won't even look at another guy after your 1 date.

+ the guys here are super bad. No sense of fashion. Stupid haircuts. No sex appeal at all. And 99.999% of couples meet at work or university or trough friends. Which is awesome, cause there is no competition at all. And my country has one of the highest % of gorgeous girls in the world. it's unbelievable how what elsewhere is considered beautiful or gorgeous, here it's average.


But what I've read and heard about american women is that they are like prostitutes without the payments. I feel like american women sleep with 5 new guys every week and date 12-15 guys at the same time. And till your wedding day she will sleep with whoever she wants.
Doubt that's true but that's what your "modern" image is.



So what I mean to say if you were living here your case would be a perfect relationship, but in america, with your dating lives I'm not sure about it.




If you want a serious relationship I recommend you bed her as soon as possible and get into a monogamous relationship. But I don't recommend you go out and sleep with other girls right now. Just think if you start dating and tell her that while you were going out, you slept with other girls.

If she's so inexperienced she might think you're already exclusive. You might ask her what she thinks feels but in a non needy way.
As I said in my country after the first date/kiss the girl is yours - they ever start pursuing you.
That's why Chase's advice on fast bedding is not applicable to me. First the girls here don't get approached at all. And second after you've kissed her she's yours. That's 90% of girls.

 

[torrancea88]

Well my friend where in eastern Europe you live so I can move there

In any case, is partially true what you say about American girls, however this a HUGE country and as such what is true in one place does not apply for other place, and in fact what is true for some people in any particular city is not true for other people.

So, for instance a city like Houston in TX there are conservative and liberal girls the latter are as it would be expected much more open when it comes to relationships, they like to experiment, they date all sorts of guys but they also wish to marry, however most of them end up marrying in their late 20's. but there are also conservative girls, they're also interested in guys and want to get laid, but they're not as open, or willing to experiment as liberal girls, at least on the surface they're not.

Also in this group of girls social pressure from their peers to get married is much greater than in liberal groups, so you'd see that in the South or the Midwest, specially in regard to small towns, women and in fact everybody marry really young, I'd say 24-25 is a marriageable age in that region, and if we're talking about country girls, or very religious ones we might be talking about the 21-23 territory.

What do each of these groups share in common? Well, they're women and they like to bitch out, also MOST of them lose their virginity before marriage, and by the age of 23-24 most of them have a substantial amount of sexual experience, THUS if you're an inexperienced guy who does not handle himself very proficient when it comes to act around women, if you're not confident enough, both groups are gonna keep rejecting you equally.

Believe me, I've dealt with both types of girls, and in this territory there's no difference, both if you don't act appropriately that is according to what a girl who already has standards set up when it comes to guys will expect from you, both will flake, stop replying to your messages, DUMP you and so on.

Inexperienced girls on the other hand, are a different thing cos they do not have ANY standard upon which to assess your demeanor, so everything you do, unless you screw up really badly, won't be frowned upon, or viewed in a judgmental manner. Now, in this regard if a girl is inexperienced but has a liberal upbringing, she'd be much more willing to sex, and lose her virginity with you, if is a conservative girl less willing but it will eventually happen, unless of course is a very religious girl and whatnot, in that case well things get a little complex (sadly that is my case) well sadly on one hand, but fortunate on the other hand, cos is RARE to find an innocent girl these days in America.

Cheers

Jack

 

[MisterX]

I get what you're saying. It's just a cultural difference.

I live in Bulgaria btw.

Here's how the dating is here. One of the big things is that we don't have feminism at all. Since from Soviet times and socialism there has always been gender equality - in school, in the work place, in society. Actually girls always have better grades and get the better jobs.
So there has never been a reason for them to rebel and be feminists and sleep around.

Even girls and women take a lot of initiative after you've approached her. If she likes you from the start - it's gonna be really easy to get her - no game needed. If she doesn't like you - you stand no chance no matter how good a seducer you are.

Maybe because most guys are bad and creepy, but when you have your logistics handled and she likes you - you're golden. I can even tell you that if you're shy and struggle to escalate - the girl will help you a lot and take initiative.


That's actually not only here but in many eastern countries.

Things are much easier cause we are not so modern in dating. And girls are really friendly, when you're not a creep or have bad fundamentals.


Actually that was one of the big reason I stay here and not move to another country. Cause I know that nowhere will I find the same quality of girls

Of course I don't say they are all great, but there are lots that are great. Honestly 95% of girls you'd have no problem sleeping with.

And they don't have the obesety problem. In one of my post I asked if guys would prefer for a girlfriend - pretty face and normal body or amazing body and normal face.
And most of the guys didn't like normal bodies. I realized that in america normal body is a lot different from normal body here. just for an example here's what a normal body by our standards is - https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/558075_325816957559249_1377663741_n.jpg that's what average means.

The weird thing is girls keep in shape and look great, while most guys are really bad. + the country has natural higher female population =]



If you're curious about the girls here https://www.facebook.com/Krasivite.momicheta.na.BG/photos_stream
That's a facebook page where girls post their pictures. And those are girls you see every day - just normal average.



I think it actually is a turism marketing slogan that we have one of the most beautiful women in the world. It's kinda a reason for lost of people to come here on vacation. This and the fact the country is small, has 10+ mountains and a wide seaside. You can go skiing, then you take a 2 hour long drive and tan at the beach

 

[torrancea88]

Well fella you won't believe this but I dated a girl from your country, and I can certainly attest the characteristics you just mentioned regarding the girls of your country, she was incredibly helpful in regard to the dating process, she was the one who texted me every day, it was amazing, our physical interactions always escalated really quickly cos she was so open and willing you know? She even got to suggest places where we could go, and she was always earlier than me in the place for some reason plus she did not mind to pay for her coffee or whatever, I really liked the way she was in that respect, I can tell you I miss her for that.

But, well there's always a but right? I think I screwed up, there was this time, where we went to a place to play bowling everything was fine, we had fun you know a great time and whatnot. But then I made a mistake, I told her "Let's go somewhere else" you know, now that I think about it, somewhere else was clearly my place, and going to my place clearly by that point in our "relationship" meant SEX. Sadly I didn't catch the signal and somewhere else became a place to have a drink, and unfortunately back in the day the city we were at, was new to me and I got lost, so I stopped she stopped as well, since she was following me in her vehicle, and I ended up telling her to leave it that way, and that it was better for her to go home.

To this day I believe that incident killed me, that occurrence for some reason made me look in her eyes as a "creep" cos the next day we saw each other she won't kiss me, on the excuse that she wasn't into PDAs of course that was BS cos we kissed in that same place, at the same time just two days ago. Well, soon thereafter, the inevitable happened and she ended up calling it quits.

Although she was from your country, and her parents were from your country, she nonetheless was educated in America, and you know this place is completely engulfed by feminism, so, sadly I think to some extend feminism is embedded in her mindset, hence the reason she took such a drastic measure against the relationship with me, after what happened.

Recently I've been running into her a lot, I say hello to her, but nothing beyond that. However for some reason I still think she likes me, despite what happened, maybe she thought about her decision and she might be giving it second thoughts, cos the way she looks at me is peculiar, there's clearly attraction towards me in the way she still gazes at me, the way she grins at me every time we see, maybe I'm just assuming things that are not so, but you never know right? I'm thinking about talking to her again and see what happens you know?

Cheers

Jack

 

[MisterX]

What you said about her paying for her own coffee etc.

The thing is here you cannot pay for a girls drink/coffee/food. I mean no girl/woman would let you pay her share.
I read and hear about american women insisting that men pay for dates. And here it's impossible to do it

No way she'd ever let you pay for her. Even when you date a girl you can only pay if you agree that next time it's on her.

It's kinda cool cause she treat you like an equal and doesn't want to exploit you, as for american women I read and hear like to take advantage of guys to get free food/drinks/etc.

Not saying that there are no such women but those are the ones with absolutely no self esteem.


The thing is actually girls here have naturally high self esteem in the good way. And don't need a guy to take care of them. Which is good since they are affectionate and loving but not needy.


As I said if a girl likes you here - you're golden. And they're always excited and energetic. It's just a cultural difference.

The main thing is here people don't care about materialistic stuff and money that much. We care about being happy. And socializing is a big thing. I've heard that in america people rarely go out with friends.
Here we go out with friends every day.To cafe's to clubs and discos, or bars. Here clubs and discos work 7 days a week and are always full. No one cares that they have work/school in the morning - they party till 6am. During the day there's going to at least 1 cafe with friends. And I mean cafe not coffee shop.

People don't care much about climbing a corporate latter and building a great career. They prefer to live relatively care-free as long as they have enough money.


Maybe that's why our iconomy is a joke, but damn it people a happy and friendly.

And it's stupid easy to be rich here. The average annual salary is like 5-6 thousand $. or like 500$ per month. And that's money enough to live the same life standard as other places. It's just everything here is super cheap.

So if you make 20 000$ per year, here you'd be rich..

And as a bonus the legal age for having sex is 14, so you won't go to jail if you sleep with 17 year old girl or 16 or even 14 year old girl, as long as it's consensual. And the drinking age is 14 also. It's is 18 by law but when you get 14 you can buy alcohol and go to bars, clubs etc, cause no one cares if the law says 18



So life here is different from life in america. But I guess every country is different in it's own way.

 

[torrancea88]

Sounds like a GREAT place to hook up, maybe one of these summers if I have the money I'd make a little trip through eastern Europe, I've always been fond of the idea anyhow.

But I've made also a decision regarding the girl I'm going out with, I'll invite her to have some ice cream haha (Yes girls like Ice cream, Ahem Tony Montana) No but she does like Ice cream, and there's a nice Ice cream shop I found, see the thing is that I don't want to set up a complex or overly long date, I want it to be simple and straightforward you might be wondering why, well the thing is that that day I'm gonna ask her to come to my apartment to watch a movie, so I want our date to finish early, so that we she comes to my apartment we still have daylight, so she'd feel more comfortable and whatnot.

You see, we've always met at my apartment complex and then we go from there to the place we'll have our date, we'll both go in my car, and I'd be driving naturally So after I take her back to the parking lot so she can pick her car and leave, I'm gonna tell her "Hey I got a couple of movies I want to see, the movies are great because this and that, I'd be nice if you join me bla bla" SO that's the plan let's see how it turns out

Cheers

Jack

 

[MisterX]

Nice plan, just one one little adjustment.

When you ask her out don't make up an excuse to go out. Meaning don't tell her you want to go out only because the ice cream is great or the movies are great.

This will make her feel that you want to go out because of the activity not her.

You tell her you want to go out because you want to spend time with her, you know to be together. The activity is only a bonus.

And btw I bet you'd both like what ever you do simply because you're together.


That's it - make her feel you want to be with her, because of her. And that you don't care what you guys do. This actually works the best - simple dates. Go ice-cream and then to your place. Nothing fancy.



Wish you all the best with this girl