It's the same thing here in Brazil.
I talked about the same theme with a friend of mine a couple of months ago, as I was trying to convince him on taking care of his own physical appearance and working on his seducing skills, instead of being the provider and potentially wrecking his life by messing up with a sub-sub-sub-sub-par woman on antidepressants.
My take on this is that, since the early 20th century, there has been a coordinated movement by our overlords (whomever they are - this is something open to a good debate), using the mainstream media, to create a great divide between men and women, to force people to seek meaning to their lives in the free market society, instead of doing that in their relationships with other people. And the main targets of this mass lobotomization were us, men, because we are (were) the ones responsible for defining the values of society.
Traditionally, being a men was about cultivating dignity, honesty, integrity, self respect and respect for others, creating and cultivating a sense of purpose and community.
Now, being a "man" is about owning a car and drinking beer. We are being taught that we must be like grown, consumerist children, instead of developing ourselves into being
men.
In my point of view, it makes society rot from inside as people can be easily steered as long as their "needs" for constant stimuli and instant gratification are met.
ray_zorse said:
TBH I think feminism has a fair bit to answer for, too. Not that I would bust upon people for trying to improve their lot, but the thing is that feminists are highly organized and men haven't kept pace. Family law and family violence legislation is an example where women have completely taken over the party, every time I go to Court it's like being in a secret women's society and I'm getting shit on, some good guys have tried to get the men organized but I think it's just not in our nature to be activists... hmmmm.
But getting back to the topic I think a perfect example of modern thinking is something like: "oh, you want to go out with me... so you must really like me huh... oh, you say you don't want to be friends/orbiter... well fuck you're an asshole then! why did you say you like me in the first place, you're obviously just trying to lie your way into my pants" whereas obviously from a different frame this looks like "oh... you say you want to go on dates with me but you won't get intimate... what value you gonna provide to my life?". Problem is we've let our team down in these kinds of frame battles, people need to start calling a spade a spade rather than going with the politically correct view!!
Having said that, I guess I was just as taken in as every other guy, until I discovered GC, that's a pretty sad indictment of our current society and it needs to be fixed up!
cheers, Ray
Ray, feminists are women too! I think that radical feminism was "engineered" to some extent after the 2nd World War.
But almost all women just dream of relaxing in the company of a strong as masculine man, and be a woman, fully, instead of playing the role of a man.
Some years ago, I met a woman who was a radical feminist militant in a far left party. Her views were
extreme; she was not ashamed of telling me that she thought that "men are the enemy of women". When we had sex, I ravished her, as I was thinking "oh, so you think I'm an enemy? Now you'll see who's the boss!". Immediately after sex, she was in love. She confessed to me that it frustrated her that all the men in her life were such pussies.
Ordinary women are, to some extent, victims of this. We should recognize that it is hard for them to against the
official narrative in public, as they can easily be ostracized for that.
