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Sandman

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Alright so I matched with this Turkish girl on tinder. Her profile showed a semi/dark picture with super short hair (Although her whatsapp pic is her in a bikini with long hair).

We made small talk a bit, she studied in the same university though 3-4 years older than me, she studied arts and giving acting classes. We goofed around a bit regarding her love for snow. Then I invited her to have a drink.

She asked me if she could kindly have my phone number or something like that. I teased her about how polite she asked for my number. She said she talked to a guy recently who did not want to give his phone number as if he "didn't wanna give it before marriage" jokingly. I told her that I was pretty open minded guy and I do give my phone no. in the context of respect and love (better worded in Turkish).

When I told her that I was free until Wednesday and asked for her availability. She deflected and wanted to call. Cool. She wants some rapport build. I said alright and she called me half an hour later. Right after I picked up and we exchanged a few words, my battery died.

I charged my battery and called her back about an hour later. We exchanged a quick pleasantries again but then her door rang and she said someone was at her door. I said cool, get that and we said by.

She texted saying her mom came and she was going home now. I said no worries and said that we were discussing her availability, she asked me if I was available and called me.

We talked a bit and she said she didn't like texting and wanted to see my energy over the phone (I agreed that text was a poor substitute for interpersonal relations). She asked me about myself like tell me about yourself, what do you do stuff like that. I laughed and said that that was to general and asked what specifically interested her. She said some stuff but then asked me what I was into sexually. Her voice trailed of when she said this as if she was unsure of herself and was apprehensive. In fact this continued throughout the topic. But I got the distinct impression that this was just a practiced move of a seductress, designed to lure men in and raise her attainability.

I chuckled and said why werent we saving that for when we actually met up. She said that she was just curious but if it made me uncomfortable we didn't have to talk about it. I said that was perfectly fine and I understood her need to screen because not every partner was remotely same and having experience tends to make one more selective asked her to go first, what did turn her on?

She said she loved pain, she loved being dominated, she enjoyed dominating men too but in terms of psychological torture such as orgasm denial not physical. I told her that orgasm denial was truly powerful and gave her a recap of Alex's 8 types of orgasms gambit, streasing that orgasm denial was one of the ways for a full body orgasm. I also said that I liked dominating girls, such as choking them and talked a bit about erotic asphyxiation (somewhere in our conversation).

She agreed and said she only had it once and said this that she was doing kegel exercises for 10 years, there was a time a guys dick got stuck in her, I asked her a bit about this (but my wandered a bit during her explanation lol), complimented on finding good sex and asked her if she ever had orgasmed from breasts smilulation, she said no nd was starting to explain sth (maybe she didn't really like that? dunno) and told her that it was indeed rare but I made my ex cum by simulating her breasts and it was priceless to see her face when she realized it. Then tied to topic back to having sex with different people were different and sometimes you found someone you just clicked exceptionally on a sexual level. I actually think the last part was not necessary as I felt like I qualified myself a little after I told her. But we both agreed that what was import was having fun.

I said let's keep some things for when we meet up and we made some small talk. Then I asked her what was her availability, she told me "you're free on tuesday and wednesday right?" I told her it was monday and tuesday. She said okay lets decide tomorrow then, I didn't insist and said sure.

I was pretty high during the interaction and wasnt super suave. In case you got my meaning wrong, I wasn't nervous at all or didn't stutter at all but I think I could have made a better job of getting her to talk more, teasing her and flirting more. My demeanour was half amused / half matter-of-fact. But this is good because next time this happens I will be even more in control.

This is obviously an experienced and highly novelty seeking girl, crazy girl in another word. I do alright with crazy but my experience shows me the biggest problem is getting them to actually agree on and come to a date as their attention span is usually shorter. I will not text to her tomorrow and wait for her to initiate. If she doesn't I'll text her on Monday around noon. I have a feeling that she would give less leeway to any type of chasing behaviour and would get turned off by it.

Yup, I can't believe I'm having all these crazy experiences and some women still find a way to suprise me.

I would love to hear your analysis and recommendations!
 

Sandman

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I just saw that I couldn't see her whatsapp picture, meaning she deleted me as a contact. I've had this happen to me before. The girls shows EXTREME interest over text or phone but then goes AWOL for no apparent reason. Well this time I'm not gonna do any chasing whatsover lol. I screenshoted her number just in case and deleted her contact. If she does initiate, great; if she does not, not worth my time.
 

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Definitely a +1 on the hardest part is actually getting them out on a date part. After that, it becomes super easy since they're so into sex.

One of the things that I've found that helped me get these girls out, was to get them to send nude pictures and sexting before meeting up (though never talk about what you will do to them, only talk about if they were with you right now. Create an abstract story if at all possible to alleviate pressure on meeting up). Since they're so damn flaky anyways, getting nude pics is a way to up their investment and screen out others who would have been harder. Since they're also super high sex drive it becomes a release for them as well as a way to anchor both investment and sexual fulfillment to yourself in their minds.


As for feedback on what you did, here are my thoughts:

Sandman said:
Alright so I matched with this Turkish girl on tinder. Her profile showed a semi/dark picture with super short hair (Although her whatsapp pic is her in a bikini with long hair).

We made small talk a bit, she studied in the same university though 3-4 years older than me, she studied arts and giving acting classes. We goofed around a bit regarding her love for snow. Then I invited her to have a drink.

She asked me if she could kindly have my phone number or something like that. I teased her about how polite she asked for my number. She said she talked to a guy recently who did not want to give his phone number as if he "didn't wanna give it before marriage" jokingly. I told her that I was pretty open minded guy and I do give my phone no. in the context of respect and love (better worded in Turkish).

This was a deflection, which I think you handled okay by teasing her after her deflection. One thing that you could have also done is to build more of a connection was to bust more on the guy who didn't want to give out his phone number. Definitely sounds like there could have been more of a story to that one.

Could have also talked about how he was probably cheating and stuff like that. Just something to build more of a connection before actually giving out your number. That way, you maintain control of the situation instead of letting her take it where she wants it to go while still giving your phone number.

She probably would have slipped a little into chase mode by asking you again. If that were to happen you could have been glad that she reminded you as you had forgotten ;)

When I told her that I was free until Wednesday and asked for her availability. She deflected and wanted to call. Cool. She wants some rapport build. I said alright and she called me half an hour later. Right after I picked up and we exchanged a few words, my battery died.

Same as above, since she deflected your ask out (and that's twice now that she has denied compliance) I would have immediately went into teasing mode. Or even told her that your phone was about to die and that you could call her in blank time instead. You've become way too available to her at this point.

I charged my battery and called her back about an hour later. We exchanged a quick pleasantries again but then her door rang and she said someone was at her door. I said cool, get that and we said by.

Sounds like she's in firm control of the interaction, which is [probably] bad for your dick, though certainly not always.

She texted saying her mom came and she was going home now. I said no worries and said that we were discussing her availability, she asked me if I was available and called me.

I'm torn on if you should have told her you were available. Personally, I feel like it would have been better to tell her that you would have been available in an hour or so. I just don't like how in control it feels like she is. But then again, you run the risk of looking try-hard if she figures out that you actually are available.

Something I would have had to have been there in order to give advice I would feel comfortable with giving.

We talked a bit and she said she didn't like texting and wanted to see my energy over the phone (I agreed that text was a poor substitute for interpersonal relations). She asked me about myself like tell me about yourself, what do you do stuff like that. I laughed and said that that was to general and asked what specifically interested her. She said some stuff but then asked me what I was into sexually. Her voice trailed of when she said this as if she was unsure of herself and was apprehensive. In fact this continued throughout the topic. But I got the distinct impression that this was just a practiced move of a seductress, designed to lure men in and raise her attainability.

I doubt that this is calculated. In my mind I'm thinking that she just doesn't want to feel like a slut, lotta slut shamers out there. Could be wrong though.

I chuckled and said why werent we saving that for when we actually met up. She said that she was just curious but if it made me uncomfortable we didn't have to talk about it. I said that was perfectly fine and I understood her need to screen because not every partner was remotely same and having experience tends to make one more selective asked her to go first, what did turn her on?

She said she loved pain, she loved being dominated, she enjoyed dominating men too but in terms of psychological torture such as orgasm denial not physical. I told her that orgasm denial was truly powerful and gave her a recap of Alex's 8 types of orgasms gambit, streasing that orgasm denial was one of the ways for a full body orgasm. I also said that I liked dominating girls, such as choking them and talked a bit about erotic asphyxiation (somewhere in our conversation).

No real comment. Could have positioned yourself as a great sex toy though, especially since you said you were high I'm going to assume you were super chill about it lol.

One thing that I take a little issue with here though, is your frame of her needing to screen. Which can anchor itself to need to screen you. Bitches don't need to screen you, your dick is the best gift to women since birth control.

But that's something that could just be lost in your post and something that I'm misinterpreting.

She agreed and said she only had it once and said this that she was doing kegel exercises for 10 years, there was a time a guys dick got stuck in her, I asked her a bit about this (but my wandered a bit during her explanation lol),

Here you probably did better than I would have. You continued down the road to indirectly imply what a great lay you are. I, on the other hand, would have been so fascinated (not even sexually, just intellectually) by that thought that I would have run that topic down to death haha.

complimented on finding good sex and asked her if she ever had orgasmed from breasts smilulation, she said no nd was starting to explain sth (maybe she didn't really like that? dunno) and told her that it was indeed rare but I made my ex cum by simulating her breasts and it was priceless to see her face when she realized it. Then tied to topic back to having sex with different people were different and sometimes you found someone you just clicked exceptionally on a sexual level. I actually think the last part was not necessary as I felt like I qualified myself a little after I told her. But we both agreed that what was import was having fun.

Without the actual conversation it's hard to say here. The fact that you have given another woman something that she hasn't had works in your favor though.

I said let's keep some things for when we meet up and we made some small talk. Then I asked her what was her availability, she told me "you're free on tuesday and wednesday right?" I told her it was monday and tuesday. She said okay lets decide tomorrow then, I didn't insist and said sure.

I was pretty high during the interaction and wasnt super suave. In case you got my meaning wrong, I wasn't nervous at all or didn't stutter at all but I think I could have made a better job of getting her to talk more, teasing her and flirting more. My demeanour was half amused / half matter-of-fact. But this is good because next time this happens I will be even more in control.

Again you let her dictate the flow of things. Now she feels like she has you on a string and can decide about you later. Later's more than likely not going to come now.


This is obviously an experienced and highly novelty seeking girl, crazy girl in another word. I do alright with crazy but my experience shows me the biggest problem is getting them to actually agree on and come to a date as their attention span is usually shorter. I will not text to her tomorrow and wait for her to initiate. If she doesn't I'll text her on Monday around noon. I have a feeling that she would give less leeway to any type of chasing behaviour and would get turned off by it.

You are correct on the chasing part, but you are also making yourself too available to her by letting her control everything. The few times I've run across women like this, it becomes almost like an erotic wrestling match to see who can control the interaction and who can ruffle the other one first. If the girl wins, then everybody loses. If the guy wins, she gets great dick (because she's so turned on and women like this orgasm so easily that it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy of ecstasy).

Two examples, one good and one bad:
Had a woman straight up grab my hand and said "No, put your hand here" as she made me squeeze her boob while I was driving. On the first date, before we'd had sex. Because I didn't feel like going along with it would have gotten me laid I just told her "No, no dear. That comes later" with a smile and a wink. Pretty sure I could feel her getting wetter from that. Then I immediately switched conversation topics.

A bad example:
Woman messaged me first on Tinder and we went out that night. We got into the conversation of sex and I slipped up by not getting off of that topic and letting her run the interaction. I could feel her getting more and more bored by the second as she took more and more control. Eventually she told me that she didn't think I was going to be a great lay. This was back in my earlier days so I did my best to turn it around but I should have just walked away.

Anything to control the interaction.

Yup, I can't believe I'm having all these crazy experiences and some women still find a way to suprise me.

I would love to hear your analysis and recommendations!

People in general are pretty good like that lol
 
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Sandman

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Yeah I agree with you with most of your points. I think my biggest mistake was talking about what I like in bed in great detail after she asked me. This was a screening and instead of opting to deflect that screening, I chose to excel at it. Wrong, wrong move.

Thanks for the feedback!
 
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