I have no problem approaching women and talking to them, but it seems like every single time (and I mean every) I'm talking to a girl at some point they give me some excuse to get out of the conversation. If the conversation doesn't end that way and I attempt to pull them, there is objection or another excuse. If I number close and I text them, it falters within two to three messages (no responses seem to be a trend with me now). It just seems like no matter how many times I try or what I think of doing differently, I get the same outcome (or lack thereof). If been trying to get better with women for a couple years, and at some point one would assume some results would come to fruition and its too a point where its just frustrating and confusing. Ive read stuff on seddit and I understand it in a sense, but not how to properly use/execute it. How exactly do you lead a woman to sex? Because what I think is the way to do that obviously isn't. What I'm getting at in this long post is I just don't know anymore what to do. Idk if this is relevant but I do have hobbies and workout. Any insight or advice would be greatly appreciated. Pull no punches.
I need serious help building and maintaining attraction/interest!!!
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dsdezzy,
If you want serious help we are going to need detailed report of your interactions with women. We can't help you fix your issues without knowing what they are. Start doing field reports or do a journal. Make the reports detailed with conversations and keep them honest.
SGent
If you want serious help we are going to need detailed report of your interactions with women. We can't help you fix your issues without knowing what they are. Start doing field reports or do a journal. Make the reports detailed with conversations and keep them honest.
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I'm curious about a few things. Are you keeping the conversation focused on the girl? Are you holding strong eye contact, touching the girl, and otherwise conveying sexual interest? Are you using compliance tests? If you don't execute compliance tests, it won't feel right to the girl when you ask her to come home with her. Perhaps you are not showing your value to women in an appropriate way. These are all things to think about.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzIgpCOM4e4
Maybe Todd can help u out here.
Your problem is not maintaining attraction/interest. It's probably building connection on a genuine level.
Maybe Todd can help u out here.
Your problem is not maintaining attraction/interest. It's probably building connection on a genuine level.
@backstory displaying my value is honestly the best way to chalk it up, regarding issues I have. Because my interactions do go along the lines of boring talk that only scratches the surface of getting to know her. It's a habit that I find hard to break because once I'm in it, I'm stuck at that specific point in time. But I fall into the question trap badly.
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Don't worry dude it's a stage we all have to go through, or actually 2 stages -- the "20 questions" style interaction where she's not investing and you're clearly just trying to keep it going for as long as possible, followed by the stage of getting mainly or solely number flakes. Dude you are doing good!! You can't progress past this stage until you get to this stage! If you're concerned at being in the same spot for 1+ year well I'll say (1) there's nothing intrinsically bad about that, if you are comfortable with your rate of progress then just keep at it (2) it lasted me a few months, if that's your goal you need to work harder or smarter than currently.
Personally I cracked it by working harder, not smarter, I probably could have done better in analyzing interactions, goal setting, reading and applying articles... but that wasn't really my thing at the time, I just wanted to approach a shitload of women and find my own unique style. BUT, I received invaluable help from the forums (1) Smith's suggestion to use cold reads to keep the conversation going rather than questions (2) Radeng's suggestion to focus 99% on sexy vibe (essentially one's eye contact fundamentals, posture, voice and not breaking circle) rather than touch and sexual/chase framing to generate attraction. That's how I moved past each stage. Problem was I literally did not know what a successful seduction looked like, that's why I wasn't working smarter, I had no clue what to change. In hindsight it was pretty easy.
Ray
Personally I cracked it by working harder, not smarter, I probably could have done better in analyzing interactions, goal setting, reading and applying articles... but that wasn't really my thing at the time, I just wanted to approach a shitload of women and find my own unique style. BUT, I received invaluable help from the forums (1) Smith's suggestion to use cold reads to keep the conversation going rather than questions (2) Radeng's suggestion to focus 99% on sexy vibe (essentially one's eye contact fundamentals, posture, voice and not breaking circle) rather than touch and sexual/chase framing to generate attraction. That's how I moved past each stage. Problem was I literally did not know what a successful seduction looked like, that's why I wasn't working smarter, I had no clue what to change. In hindsight it was pretty easy.
Ray
Thank you for the advice, but you had never seen a successful seduction how'd you get to the work smarter phase? That is the root of the problem that has to be executed because it feels I have plateaued over the past three months.
