I QUIT

[Mr.Rob]

Zac,

Just PM the moderators, as Chase noted himself. That will be easier than to pinpoint mistakes of others. That will not help anybody.

Maybe I'm not looking at this right but to me it seems like if you pinpointed the mistakes of others and told them how to improve better next time, assuming they didn't realize they were being negative due to clouded emotion or assuming that they didn't realize that this isn't a place for that type of attitude, this would be better than PM a moderator and become sort of taddle tale.

Obviously Chase was saying for Tool and whomever to report previous offenders but I'm talking about for offenders in the future when we notice it in the present.

Like in real life when I make a mistake I'd much rather have someone rebuke me to my face right then and there rather than not correct me and go tell a higher up authority to correct me. Lets say I'm at work and I take a lunch break that's too long and make my co worker work extra hard to cover up for me. I'd much rather my co worker chew me out when I get back and tell me not to do that again and only take a 30 minute lunch break from now on, rather than him not say anything (though act steamy towards me) and go tell the boss who has to tell me the same thing or keep and eye on me.

I'm just looking at it from the perspective of if it were in real life and not virtual how would I want to have myself addressed if I didn't act right.

Though perhaps what you say is correct and there could be a piece of the puzzle I'm missing as to why that's the best route to go. Quite possible indeed.

-Rob

 

[The Tool]

uhhhg THIS IS MY LAST NORMAL FORUM POST. you all just dont get it. our logic is obviously over your heads...i can tell someone they are wrong all day and all it will cause is a fight. people only really listen to someone they see as higher status...only 1 here who qualifies is Chase.


myself and others tried telling(you all know who) they were wrong...what did it lead too...fights...
either support us or keep quiet



im done

 

[trashKENNUT]

Mr Rob,

Maybe I'm not looking at this right but to me it seems like if you pinpointed the mistakes of others and told them how to improve better next time, assuming they didn't realize they were being negative due to clouded emotion or assuming that they didn't realize that this isn't a place for that type of attitude, this would be better than PM a moderator and become sort of taddle tale.

Obviously Chase was saying for Tool and whomever to report previous offenders but I'm talking about for offenders in the future when we notice it in the present.

Like in real life when I make a mistake I'd much rather have someone rebuke me to my face right then and there rather than not correct me and go tell a higher up authority to correct me. Lets say I'm at work and I take a lunch break that's too long and make my co worker work extra hard to cover up for me. I'd much rather my co worker chew me out when I get back and tell me not to do that again and only take a 30 minute lunch break from now on, rather than him not say anything (though act steamy towards me) and go tell the boss who has to tell me the same thing or keep and eye on me.

I'm just looking at it from the perspective of if it were in real life and not virtual how would I want to have myself addressed if I didn't act right.

Though perhaps what you say is correct and there could be a piece of the puzzle I'm missing as to why that's the best route to go. Quite possible indeed.

IF someone is being negative and that includes myself or any of the rank members also, and you message the moderators, Of course Franco and Chase is not gonna delete you or me straight away. I believe that Franco and Chase and the admin team will take into consideration, that is how many people actually complain about you by the messages they received, and what you content do you write in all your post.

IF you talking about women and how you progress, Chase noted he is fine when people occasionally rant. but if you want people to actually tell you what to do or tell you that you are bitching abit and going down that road, i think we did that. Most of the forum guys here are quite positive and supportive.

We should not be carried away by the things that happen recently, because i can only count a few people compared to the list of positive people i mention.

Zac

 

[PrettyDecent]

Tool, Rich,

This was my reaction when I read your post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

But I really will miss you guys. I sent y'all some PM's, but I don't they went through - but you guys brought a lot of value to the forum, and I had a lot of fun reading the posts you guys wrote (sometimes together/with me).

That's enough of my sappiness, lol.

~Nick

 

[Grand Pooba]

Tool, Rich,

This was my reaction when I read your post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

But I really will miss you guys. I sent y'all some PM's, but I don't they went through - but you guys brought a lot of value to the forum, and I had a lot of fun reading the posts you guys wrote (sometimes together/with me).

That's enough of my sappiness, lol.

~Nick

Hilarious video for a rather somber moment. =(

Tool, I can't thank you enough for your help. It's really sad to see you go, but I understand the reasons why. But moreover, when I first started here in October, you believed in me and helped me with the most mundane issues, and I can honestly say that I've not only progressed so far since then and become more positive and fuller inside, but I wouldn't have grown as fast were it not for your patience and support. It's amazing to have had a mentor in this stage in my life and I can't thank you enough. Chase, too, for his amazing articles and feedback.

Richard, you had some of the best LRs I read, and they were hilarious and inspiring. I didn't know you can do shit like that with girls...how far down the rabbit hole does one want to go?

It's easy to say that it would've been better to talk about it first after the fact. This is a time where we felt that actions were stronger than words, and that a dramatic shift would only occur after a dramatic move.

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What kept me at the site weren't any of the articles that dealt with seducing women, but the ones that focused on teaching and building those who come here to grow as better human beings.

I love this. Well said.

if you mean psychological vampirism and the sheer ungratefulness of people receiving gracious, no-extra-charge advice and then throwing it back in the faces of their benefactors, I have to say I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's pretty unethical and in addition, it's counterproductive for the people concerned.

YUP.

 

[Nova]

haven't been online for a while, but none the less, lets keep things in perspective and refrain from being overly dramatic surely? this forum still has a good community. its not like we have a flame war every other thread like most forums is it?

nothing is ever going to be perfect.

there are always going to be some people with morals and principles that contrast your own, thats the price you pay for frequenting internet discussion forums where everyone is free and able to voice ther opinion.

 

[Marty]

myself and others tried telling (you all know who) they were wrong...what did it lead to...fights...

—presumably by Private Message, because I didn't notice Tool issue a public rebuke of this nature (may have missed it), although Zphix did a decent job of it if I may say so. Too bad your advice went unheeded, Tool.

Nova:

haven't been online for a while, but none the less, lets keep things in perspective and refrain from being overly dramatic surely? this forum still has a good community. its not like we have a flame war every other thread like most forums is it?

Agree. One of the things I most like about this forum is that (almost!) all members are collaboratively engaged in doing something really positive, forward-thinking and downright GOOD: bringing happiness and satisfaction to beautiful women. Some days, I can hardly believe how marvelous it is that we are all pulling together in achieving something so beneficial and constructive. I say this with the deepest sincerity.

there are always going to be some people with morals and principles that contrast your own, that's the price you pay for frequenting internet discussion forums where everyone is free and able to voice their opinion.

While I agree that over-dramatizing the situation benefits no one, I don't think that contrasting principles is at issue here. What has caused offense (and unsurprisingly so) is destructive sounding-off by people who post zero field reports and contribute nothing positive, and then whine and complain when they don't get what they want. Chase wrote a stinging reprimand which will give you an idea of how bad it had gotten, if you haven't visited for a while.

But I agree with your sentiments, Nova—it should be the people who caused the problem leaving, not those who are affected by it.

-Marty

 

[Franco]

Marty,

While I agree that over-dramatizing the situation benefits no one, I don't think that contrasting principles is at issue here.

Actually, this is one of the primary issues, Marty. Several members (who, in large part, have been notified privately) on the board have been stating things that contradict to what Chase is trying to teach here. We want to make sure that everyone respects the principles that are taught here and doesn't try to spew nonsense that says otherwise. If someone needs help understanding a point of view, that is one thing, but it is another thing to try to put it down and say that there are "views that are more correct" than others.

Chase teaches things on his blog because he's field-tested them to be true. So we just want to make sure that people come in here and respect those teachings and try not to convince other members otherwise.

What has caused offense (and unsurprisingly so) is destructive sounding-off by people who post zero field reports and contribute nothing positive, and then whine and complain when they don't get what they want.

This has also been somewhat of a growing issue, but Chase has already taken measures to reduce this as well (as you mentioned).

- Franco

 

[Zoro]

"Calm waters do not make a skillful sailor."

 

[Nova]

Re:

"Calm waters do not make a skillful sailor."

aye aye capt'n

 

[Marty]

Franco:

Chase teaches things on his blog because he's field-tested them to be true. So we just want to make sure that people come in here and respect those teachings and try not to convince other members otherwise.

Apologies, I hadn't quite put two-and-two together. This will be partly because I hadn't read the forum posts closely enough (I tend to skim over or ignore stuff I don't like, which will include all those negative posts) and partly because I don't yet have enough infield, practical confirmation of all of Chase's work to be able to necessarily recognize the contradictory material... I may have even been thrown off by it myself.

As for field-testing, it's almost as if Chase has built out a whole branch of the social sciences, complete with controlled experiment, academic references, the works... I am still in awe that it could even be done by one person.

It was certainly not my intention to add to the confusion! Thanks for clarifying.

-Marty

 

[TheWiseFool]

There is a lot of psychology terms and techniques. A LOT!!! NLP is OP!!!

 

[Dern]

Some guys I want to give a shout out too who I see real promise in.

Cassavona Jr, Marty, Dern, Ozzo, and The Wise Fool. Keep up the good work. I see excellent things from you guys. I hope you have learned some things from me that you can use and have taken to heart. I wish you 5 all the best in your endeavors.

Cheers, The Tool

Thanks Tool! This means a lot to me! Sad to see you go

Message to Chase:

If you deactivate Richard and T's account, can you make sure that their posts stay visible? Both of them posted in my journal giving me advice and support, and I would like to refer back to their writings in the future.

 

[Knight]

I've had a few weeks off the site and feel somewhat out of the loop. Looked up to you guys when the boards first opened, if you guys come back make sure you let us know.

 

[lux7]

I still see your posts around, so in the end you stayed..

But sorry guys, in all honesty this sounded a bit drama queen style

 

[trashKENNUT]

lucifer7,

I think that the moderators will probably love to have them back, and that some of the guys actually message them when they were off.

Otherwise, People have to go off on lunchtime to eat, you know. We need breaks too.

Zac

 

[PinotNoir]

Yeah, it was kind of drama queen style, but it was effective. At the time, it did bring results/actions to the forums to stop some of the flame wars or w/e you want to call them.

 

[Richard]

I still see your posts around, so in the end you stayed..

But sorry guys, in all honesty this sounded a bit drama queen style :

I actually left for about 4 months until the site returned to normal.

Chase himself, in his email to us, said that our method was most effective in getting his attention and that he agreed with our decision, so... mission accomplished

 

[lux7]

Then all good