I slowly give up on women

[DonJuan..]

You come across as needy and butt hurt you can’t get your own way with women and they’ll smell it a mile off.

“focusing on one woman at a time” obviously isn’t working or you wouldn’t be in here moaning about it.

And that ^^ “be honest and open with women” IS nice guy behaviour. And it obvious gets you nowhere. If you were knee deep in it you’d be too busy to be poasting in here.

Re think how you act towards them, kick them off the pedestal and stop chasing them for a bit.

Being honest about your intentions isn’t a nice guy behaviour lol.
Nice guys offer money, gift, flowers or pretend to be their friends. That’s not what I’m doing, I tell them directly that I don’t make friendships or being a texting buddy with them, I’m dating. I convey sexuality, I make it known that I wanna fuck

 

[PalmaSailor]

Ok..

Well.. stick with that then and see how it works. If you’re sure you’re doing it right what are you expecting from here?

 

[DonJuan..]

Ok..

Well.. stick with that then and see how it works. If you’re sure you’re doing it right what are you expecting from here?

I see what you are saying, but that’s not a nice guy behaviour that’s what I’m pointing out nothing else. I didn’t deny that gaming many women wouldnt help

 

[PalmaSailor]

*I didn’t deny that gaming many women wouldnt help*

right then!

why don’t you do that and see how it goes. You don’t owe anyone anything never mind exclusivity

 

[Regal Tiger]

Yes dating apps, whether on Snapchat or tinder, I couldn’t game a single one not even fat girls even though I look like a Greek god and get compliments from many women for my look. I’m improving myself almost everyday. I’m 6times the week in the gym, I do an internship and work to make my own money. I can make friends everyday, I really have no problem talking to people engaging them in a conversation and make them feel special and wanted in a GENUINE way because I always try to see the things from the positive side in everyone, but women kill my mind and it’s slowly shifting into the negative side. It’s also true that women are naturally high in narcissism, which only ups the negative thoughts

In regards to dating apps it honestly doesn't matter how good looking you are it only matters how good you look, which means how good you can photograph yourself.

Throw up some of your pics and I will critique them. Or you can grab the first installment of One Date and you can get a book that will show you everything you need to know about online dating as a free bonus (you don't even need to go through with all of One Date if you don't want to, just get the first version, although I highly, HIGHLY, recommend finishing Chase's program if you can)


I got my start in online dating, I spent 3+ years fine-tuning the process and getting it down while at the same time learning how to go on dates and etc. I know exactly what kinds of pictures to use and in what order for the best results and I'll tell you what poses work as well

 

[Regal Tiger]

I know what you mean, I don’t make professional pictures of myself, just causal ones but again women should be nowadays experienced enough that people fake their appearance, I even know some women who said uhh I met this one guy but he didn’t look like that in the pictures. Yeah dumbass because everyone is fake on social media

If you're not using a DSLR camera it doesn't matter how good looking you are because you won't look good. Yes women know the game of filters and shit, which you SHOULD NOT be using. But if you're not editing your pictures then you're an online 5 at best. And 5's get ignored

When it comes to online, you want the appearance to be casual but you definitely don't want your effort in your pictures to be casual because then you're going to get casual results (1 match a month at best)

 

[Skills]

Theory and practice both are very different experiences. there are many articles dude you don’t know where which one you should start with and I already read so many articles, it’s exhausting dude.

Ok at this point you are getting close to wasting everyones time, stop whinning, stop complaining, and having an answer for being mediocre this is loser talk is repolsive to us, imagine women... @TomInHo by the way is another of the dudes getting laid on the forum a lot... all the guys that get laid in the forum have some things in common:

No ego
Listen to advice
Do not make excuses and have answers for when they fuck up
Always trying to get better
Look good and hit the gym just like you, but never ever talk about looks like you do
Never blame women but point their finger at themselves

Make a journal write your shit there and stop whinning otherwise join a black or red pill forum....

 

[DonJuan..]

Ok at this point you are getting close to wasting everyones time, stop whinning, stop complaining, and having an answer for being mediocre this is loser talk is repolsive to us, imagine women... @TomInHo by the way is another of the dudes getting laid on the forum a lot... all the guys that get laid in the forum have some things in common:

No ego
Listen to advice
Do not make excuses and have answers for when they fuck up
Always trying to get better
Look good and hit the gym just like you, but never ever talk about looks like you do
Never blame women but point their finger at themselves

Make a journal write your shit there and stop whinning otherwise join a black or red pill forum....

I don’t agree with some points, but some changes must be done thats right

 

[PalmaSailor]

Good that’s a start. It’s usual to get down if you’re not doing well at something.

chin up, take them less seriously, and speak to more of them and keep them guessing about your intentions.

make them earn it from you…

 

[TomInHo]

I don’t agree with some points, but some changes must be done thats right

Fine bro. Don't agree with anything.

You don't need to make a lot of changes because you're amazing. You can nitpick everyones point and not be open minded to new perspectives and solutions because... You're gods gift to women and its their fault for not seeing your awesomeness

Just be yourself and pussy is guaranteed to come your way


EDIT: I'm being sarcastic guys

 

[PalmaSailor]

Fine bro. Don't agree with anything.

You don't need to make a lot of changes because you're amazing. You can nitpick everyone's point and not be open minded to new perspectives and solutions because... You're gods gift to women and its' their fault for not seeing your awesomeness

Just be yourself and pussy is guaranteed to come your way

Most of this is right unfortunately I don’t agree with the just be yourself angle.
You have to look at yourself, and you may have to improve yourself.
In fact you probably do.
Possibly quite substantially.
But you can do it.

good luck!

 

[DonJuan..]

Fine bro. Don't agree with anything.

You don't need to make a lot of changes because you're amazing. You can nitpick everyones point and not be open minded to new perspectives and solutions because... You're gods gift to women and its their fault for not seeing your awesomeness

Just be yourself and pussy is guaranteed to come your way

I emphasised that nobody is perfect. You my friend lack social awareness and I doubt that you are good with women. I can smell fakes.

 

[TomInHo]

I emphasised that nobody is perfect. You my friend lack social awareness and I doubt that you are good with women

Ok

 

[DonJuan..]

Ok

I’m glad you agree with that, then we are done here.

 

[Railer]

You're gods gift to women and its' their fault for not seeing your awesomeness

Hmm ...
Following this thread has me realize how I tend to look down on that very blindness. Probably not great.

Anyone know what to tell oneself to get rid of this?

 

[DonJuan..]

Hmm ...
Following this thread has me realize how I tend to look down on that very blindness. Probably not great.

Anyone know what to tell oneself to get rid of this?

He was pointing out narcissism, meanwhile he is a coward one, a coward narcissist. Twisting words, deliberately misunderstand your opinion and got triggered by my text a normal person would respond like skills.

for your question, there is no cure for narcissism only cbt but it doesn’t really help since I study psychology and work in psychological settings, I know a bit about it

But believes that nobody is perfect, some have strengths that you lack and some lack strengths that you possess. It’s all about the balance in your thinking so you don’t pedestalize the person but also don’t pedestalize yourself. Self-reflection would help in scenarios after you interacted with someone and with self reflection there comes self-awareness to avoid it in the future

 

[Rakehell]

Hmm ...
Following this thread has me realize how I tend to look down on that very blindness. Probably not great.

Anyone know what to tell oneself to get rid of this?

Actually can be a helpful mindset when you’re on the right track.

In the context of TominHo’s answer though he’s reffering to the dunning kruger effect or, unconscious incompetence.

You’re doing everything right and you know what you’re doing so you’re adverse to considering other perspectives.

If she doesn’t like me it’s her problem and not in my control (Which can be helpful in a sense if you’re actually doing everything right). But when you relinquish control like that you’re just a victim to whatever results you get from your perfect strategy that you think you have.

In @DonJuan.. ’s case he doesn’t accept that his strategy is flawed in order to protect his egocentric views of him being the perfect man.

 

[TomInHo]

I’m glad you agree with that, then we are done here.

Okay G! You seem like a nice guy but are just frustrated with life right now. We've all been there at some point but here are some actionable things you can do to improve your situation

1) Accept that you know nothing

This one will be difficult because the ego will work extremely hard to protect itself. Because you have to be 100% honest with yourself that if you knew exactly what you were doing then you would have the results you desire.

One of the first steps to improving is actually removing a lot of bad programming on what you believe should work. So image you are reborn and have to learn the rules of the world again from scratch


2) Start a journal

@Skills already talked about this but it's extremely important. Because what gets measured gets improved and when you start a journal you will start to see patterns of behavior

You will see in realtime that when I do "X' girls give me "Y" but when I do "D" they give me the "V". This will help you see things that you may have been blind to and you will learn how your actions can shape your reality

Then with a resource like this forum and the main site you will be able to learn new tactics and actions you can use to get closer to your goal.

3) Create A Process

So with all that trial and error you will slowly start putting pieces together on how to do things. Because seduction is actually very similar to sales and there is a saying.... every sale is the same

And in order to get consistency in your woman life you will need to focus on creating a process that can generate results. So test a lot of tactics and keep what works for you and then disregard the rest.

Right now you feel like women are rejecting you, when in reality they are mostly rejecting your process. Because you could have an amazing product, but if you do not know how to communicate that to your prospects effectively, your sales will always suffer

4) Accept Help

Listen man, I know it is tough because in today's society people expect men to just "get it" and understand how to attract women. But we all know that it's easier said than done

That's why we have spaces like this to offer help, because every single guy here has struggled with women at some point in their lives. And you have an amazing place where people can give you help from real experience

So while you're testing and learning, it's a great idea to post some of your interactions here for feedback. Because even though it may be painful, and yes some of us may give you tough love or make fun of you from time to time, you learn so much faster if you take the criticism and try out the suggestions with an open mind

You got this man, the beginning is always the hardest and if you stick with it and push through all the pain in a few years you will be wondering why you even thought this woman stuff was a big deal

Wish you the best of luck

 

[DonJuan..]

If she doesn’t like me it’s her problem and not in my control (Which can be helpful in a sense if you’re actually doing everything right). But when you relinquish control like that you’re just a victim to whatever results you get from your perfect strategy that you think you have.

This wouldn’t work with women most of the time, but it’s true you can’t control others behaviour, only your own behaviour

In @DonJuan.. ’s case he doesn’t accept that his strategy is flawed in order to protect his egocentric views of him being the perfect man.

I didn’t use any coping mechanism hence my depression, frustration and the lack of confidence. I already said in the beginning only because I did something wrong you have to ghost me? And that nobody is perfect and may make mistakes sometimes. It’s fine but then let me know that you aren’t interested and don’t play games with me which is the case sometimes.

 

[DonJuan..]

Okay G! You seem like a nice guy but are just frustrated with life right now. We've all been there at some point but here are some actionable things you can do to improve your situation

1) Accept that you know nothing

This one will be difficult because the ego will work extremely hard to protect itself. Because you have to be 100% honest with yourself that if you knew exactly what you were doing then you would have the results you desire.

One of the first steps to improving is actually removing a lot of bad programming on what you believe should work. So image you are reborn and have to learn the rules of the world again from scratch


2) Start a journal

@Skills already talked about this but it's extremely important. Because what gets measured gets improved and when you start a journal you will start to see patterns of behavior

You will see in realtime that when I do "X' girls give me "Y" but when I do "D" they give me the "V". This will help you see things that you may have been blind to and you will learn how your actions can shape your reality

Then with a resource like this forum and the main site you will be able to learn new tactics and actions you can use to get closer to your goal.

3) Create A Process

So with all that trial and error you will slowly start putting pieces together on how to do things. Because seduction is actually very similar to sales and there is a saying.... every sale is the same

And in order to get consistency in your woman life you will need to focus on creating a process that can generate results. So test a lot of tactics and keep what works for you and then disregard the rest.

Right now you feel like women are rejecting you, when in reality they are mostly rejecting your process. Because you could have an amazing product, but if you do not know how to communicate that to your prospects effectively, your sales will always suffer

4) Accept Help

Listen man, I know it is tough because in today's society people expect men to just "get it" and understand how to attract women. But we all know that it's easier said than done

That's why we have spaces like this to offer help, because every single guy here has struggled with women at some point in their lives. And you have an amazing place where people can give you help from real experience

So while you're testing and learning, it's a great idea to post some of your interactions here for feedback. Because even though it may be painful, and yes some of us may give you tough love or make fun of you from time to time, you learn so much faster if you take the criticism and try out the suggestions with an open mind

You got this man, the beginning is always the hardest and if you stick with it and push through all the pain in a few years you will be wondering why you even thought this woman stuff was a big deal

Wish you the best of luck

Thanks!