If she says she has a boyfriend when cold approaching...

[Lover]

... can you then ask stuff like "what's his name?" or "on a scale from 1 to 10, how happy are you?" and probably still convince her that you are

I saw some Sascha day game yesterday for inspiration, and I thought it was fun he asked those question - like "oh, you didn't think I have heard that excuse a million times already?" When he asked those question, he assessed how long it took the girls to answer his question. If they hesistated even a little bit, he knew he was being rejected over an imaginary boyfriend. This is obviously fun when you're being rejected, because what do you have to lose then? But could this also be a way to return the odds in your favor? If not, what are the alternatives?

 

[Fuck This]

"Well, I'm sure he spoils you and treats you like a princess doesn't he?"

Gets her thinking about any dissatisfaction that may be festering...

I wrote something that in a message to a lady on her birthday who has been flirty and she deflected it with "well, the day is young"....implying that no she had not been fully appreciated yet.

I've also had acquaintances reply "Well, I'm sure you do. Let me know when you are ready for a MAN Friend....Here's my number." Doesn't work if you are still in school though. Save this one for when you are over 30.

Alternately you can make your intent clear by saying, "Well we share a common appreciation of (Some physical appearance/career/talent attribute of hers). I'll bet we would get along well. I'd love to meet him. Sounds like a cool dude."

Challenging the veracity of a boyfriend is almost insulting as to imply that the female in question is not of high enough quality to warrant a boyfriend. Alternately, you can say "You seem like the kind of girl who wouldn't want a guy to cramp your style. So independent and with so many options..." Planting the thought...

 

[Lover]

TwoRocky

Challenging the veracity of a boyfriend is almost insulting as to imply that the female in question is not of high enough quality to warrant a boyfriend..

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I don't know if you have seen his videoes, but my impression was that he said those lines to pass the boyfriend test/excuse. Voice tonality and body language are essential to go through with these kind of lines, so you don't come across as offended when she rejects you... but of course, the words can sound harsh and send a misinterpretated message. I can see your point.

"Well, I'm sure he spoils you and treats you like a princess doesn't he?"

Gets her thinking about any dissatisfaction that may be festering...

I wrote something that in a message to a lady on her birthday who has been flirty and she deflected it with "well, the day is young"....implying that no she had not been fully appreciated yet.

Actually sounds fun. Will try this when I will run into this problem.

If you ask her this in person, how would you say it to her, i.e. voice tonality and facial expressions?

 

[Mr.Rob]

As Slay pointed out asking questions about her boyfriend is unproductive and shows you're butthurt about getting the rejection.

You don't want to put her on the defensive because it will only encourage her to continue to prove her imaginary boyfriend is real.

Instead I just totally ignore the "I have a boyfriend" line.

It's none of your business whether or not a girl has a boyfriend or not. What is your business is whether or not you both have good chemistry and like each other. If this is the case then move the interaction forward just as you would normally and do not bring up the boyfriend talked about earlier.

If she invests into you and follows your leadership then there is nothing to worry about.

But if you want to ask silly questions that communicate that you are affected by the fact she has a pretend boyfriend and that's fun for you by all means give it a shot. I personally have never experienced that working out in anyone's favor and is always counterproductive.

 

[Lover]

Guys

Thanks for your two cents. One question though

You both mention to just ignore the boyfriend line, and Slay mentions to deflect the line by returning to whatever topic we were already talking about. How do one deflect it with just non-verbals? A smirk with almost closed eyelids? Or something else?

 

[Bboy100]

Sasha is terrible and I don't recommend him as a role model for PUA at all. The women in his videos are almost NEVER actually interested in him, and he doesn't seem to realize or care.

I second that. In his videos, he honestly looks like he's living in his own imaginary world. It's cool to watch how totally unphased he is by rejection, but in terms of his actual conversations- he seems super boneheaded and obnoxious...and not in the good (attractive) way.



Having said that, I don't think "I have a boyfriend" is usually a shit test. I think that's just a polite (and perhaps cowardly) way of expressing her disinterest. 99.9% of guys would fail a "test" in which she claims to be sexually unavailable (such as "I have a boyfriend"). And the ones who don't are typically narcissistic or genuinely don't care about her boundaries (neither of which are attractive traits).

The only exception to this is when you're chase framing/flirting with her or otherwise acting arrogant/cocky, then she randomly blurts out "I have a BF". In this case, i would just ignore it. She was either nervous, or she was just playing along (oftentimes, when you chase frame girls, you'll notice they'll make a comment which implies she's disinterested. But she'll say it in a playful way which communicates the exact opposite. "I have a boyfriend" could and in my experience has been one of them).

Also, here's what Chase has to say on the matter: https://www.girlschase.com/content/what- ... -boyfriend

 

[Bete Noire]

Following on the Sasha comment, what sort of said 'no nos' does he use in conversation? I too agree that his unphased appearance at rejection is awesome but would like to understand what he could improve on verbally and non-verbally ^^

 

[ray_zorse]

I tend to take the view that if I stop someone in the street (even if I go direct) it's because I find them interesting and want to find out more about them. From that point of view I might feel slight disappointment if she has a bf but if I was enjoying the conversation I still want to pursue it. (Guys who aggressively screen for attraction and logistics and quickly move on so as to waste no time in the club or the street may disagree here, and that's legitimate but I'm not one of those guys and even if I was I could afford a few minutes to wind things up in a non-reactive way). So my goto here is "Is your boyfriend also Chinese" (or whatever she is) and get onto topic of cross cultural or same cultural relationships, cultural expectations and so on. Since this is usually a topic of interest to me anyway. I prefer cross cultural interactions and relationships.
Ray

 

[ray_zorse]

I used to really dig Sasha Daygame, mainly b/c the video "Live Pickup in Buenos Aires" was a good video, showed how to approach, sexualize an interaction and set up a date. Most importantly it had subtitles, if a video doesn't have subtitles I will miss nearly all of it, thus most infield and motivational shit on the Internet is useless to me. I've watched some other Sasha stuff and although I couldn't hear everything I agree he takes persistence MUCH too far. Having said that, I honestly believe he is the real deal, supposedly he has laid 100s or 1000s of women, and I believe it, simply because he does/did A LOT of approaching. This is a VERY VALUABLE takeaway. Thing is his style will not work for everyone. He has a very unfiltered style which is basically saying "This is what I am. Fuck me if you want". But where I believe the problem comes in, is most PUA coaches on the net want to teach you their process. Sasha's process is totally wrong for me, I know because I took coaching from his company and really tried his process for some months. With GC you learn nuts and bolts ans develop your own process. Chase's process is pretty good but again not quite right for me. I added more connection based game and moving a bit slower to adapt it to my current skill level and strengths. I also adapted it several different ways to suit different kinds of girls and different logistics.
Ray

 

[Lover]

Well well, what an unexpected turn of events

Sasha is terrible and I don't recommend him as a role model for PUA at all.

DrexelScott, I don't know much about other PUA's. I created this thread because I had not cold approached before and was searching for infield videos to see what it looked like in real life. Of course GC offers a lot on this matter, but GC has chosen to only create articles (if I recall correctly). I know that Ross Leon analyzed these videos, and I thought it was awesome. But it didn't get me anywhere because I thought cold approaching was a big deal. Recently I chose to search for infield videos on Youtube instead of reading too many GC articles, and I stumbled upon this video by Sasha where every girl in London rejects him. The girls "have a boyfriend", and because of the video I created this thread. But I can see from the answers that obviously these kind of responses is anything but beneficial to your game, and judging from your other comments (along with Bboy's and radeng's) Sasha is anything but beneficial to your game. By watching the video you talked about before (the restaurant promoter) and the one I just linked to, I can see what your point is: he comes across as low value and persists too much. Well, whatever works for him. For a guy like myself with very little experience in the field it's hard to be the judge of whose approaching and conversation is better. Thus, I have a question: is there any other PUA with infield videos you (or any other guy in here) would recommend?

 

[Lover]

Just saw the two videos, and with my current social skills I can see how Vadim and Sasha differ. If you had sent these videos to me 2-3 years ago, I would have voted for Sasha as the better PUA here because of his high energy approach and showing the women that he knows what they're up to with their excuses (I used to be that guy myself). These days, I would vote for a guy like Vadim because he's so chill, and nothing really fazes him. His humour seems a little random to me, but he uses it in such a way that keeps the girls guessing (and they love to keep guessing). Also he follows the law of least effort - he does nothing more than what is necessary. I can see how his way of PU follows GC principles and ideas.

As for the boyfriend test: in his chill vampire video at 1:55, the girl says she has a boyfriend, and he asks "is he also a vampire? Well, it's time for an upgrade. Why go human when you can go superhuman?" I thought it was hilarious how he used his peacocking to frame he was a better option than her current "boyfriend".

I appreciate the recommendation a lot, thank you!

 

[Bete Noire]

That guy is super chilled out and has a really interesting vibe about him. I agree that it is much better to use a calm approach than an exited-puppy-dog-Sasha. It would be interesting to know how he would develop this as he moved to an instant date or at his place. Hes using lots of lightly humerous lines - would he stay chilled the whole time?