I'm Pato (and High School Questions)

[Pato]

Hey everybody, I'm Pato. I'm new to the boards and I'm really excited to be here. I'm 16 and I'm going to be a junior in high school. My reason for being here is that I am fed up with the lack of success that I have had with girls, I want to improve, and I want to change who I am in the eyes of girls. I'm basically a pure beginner, but I have been reading some of Chase's articles and some of the posts on the forum and I already feel that I am much better with girls than I was before.
I'm curious to find out what some of you do/did to have success with girls in high school. I know a lot of Chase's advice pertains to women and not high school girls, but I was wondering if I should still be doing a lot of what Chase and the others say. Is high school that different from the real world? My main question is how should I approach/open girls in the classroom or the hallways? Would being direct work, or should I do something else? I know reputation is a lot in high school, but frankly I don't have much of a reputation with girls, so I'm open to trying almost anything. Any advice you guys have would be awesome, thanks in advance.
-Pato

 

[mkivtt]

Well, I'm in my late 30s, so it's a completely different world. First tip: start early! Looks like you are doing that. I threw away a large part of my life... and there is no going back to do it over a second part. So you are on the right steps.

Secondly, high school is not the real world... you'll find that out later. That's not a diss, just an observation that hopefully helps you. What I mean is, the interests of most teens are basic, and they aren't occupied with how to pay next month's rent or all the other stuff adults deal with. So it's a much more "superficial" lifestyle. Girls will be peacocking and so will guys... and looks and status matter. It's mostly about that in high school... so I would advise you to focus on your appearance... try to work out a bit, wear decent looking clothing, and act like you are "all that." Even if you aren't... act the part. Be cocky/funny, engage girls, talk up everyone, be positive and always smiling / confident. Most guys your age will not have that... many will be nerds, stoners, goths, stuck in one niche and never going out of it.

Chat up some girls, be cocky / funny, make an effort to look and dress good, be smooth and confident, and work your way up the hierarchy pyramid. That's what I would do if I could do it all over again.

 

[Smurf]

Yo, pato!

A few of us on the boards are still in high school. I got one am and I know AsianPersuasion is, too. Here's a few things I can suggest from a beginner standpoint myself:

Mkivvt already made some excellent points, you should follow those too.

1. School is a massive social circle. Meaning if you don't know for SURE that you can direct approach AND get her, don't do it.
2. Your reputation should constantly be affecting your choices. Unfortunate but true.

I'm sure someone with more skill than me can extrapolate on this subject. You chose the right place!

Good luck,
Jake.

 

[Byron]

Fundamentals are really important. Look in the Men's Style section of the main site. Also the Social life section. Value is very important too, and manage your reputation.
If I had to list the top five articles that helped me (I'm same age and grade as you)
1. How to be a Sexy Man
This basically sums up all the fundamentals you should be working on and goes into depth a bit. It was the first post I had read and it probably helped me the most.
2. How to be an Alpha Male
This helps a lot with the social aspects of school. It showed me how to not seem as tryhard and helped get my vibe down better (somehow idk)
3. How to be Charismatic
This is one of my favourite articles. Short, to the point, and full of valuable social information.
4. How to Make Friends? The Master Key to New Friendships
This is just step by step instruction on how to make friends with strangers. It will make your life much easier in school.
5. How Much Do Looks Matter for Romantic Success?
I would argue that looks matter quite a lot in high school. This shows you how to make the most of yours.

Read these, let me know what works for you! I'm just starting out too (been reading this site for less than a year)
-youngbyron

 

[AsianPersuasion]

Everyone else has pretty much nailed it. My high school reputation dramatically improved when I read the information on this site. Fundamentals matter less for pickup during the day, but in school, they help you out a ton. The same goes with just about all the articles that byron listed.

I did actually try direct approaching a number of times with girls I sorta knew from my school. It only went well once, and that was posted as "FR:++ Progress Baby". The rest either said no, or never responded my texts. Since I'm known as a fairly carefree person who doesn't get into drama or anything, and I'm not tied down to any clique, it did little to affect my reputation.

As a matter of fact, I'm surprised at how easily everyone began to treat me differently with all the changes I implemented through the years. My case is probably different than yours, since during the time I found this site, I was pretty much friendless. My social standing is far better now thanks to the stuff I read, and my friendless state allowed for social mobility.

Anyway, I'm ranting. My big recommendation for you would be to focus on fundamentals and the tips found in the above articles. The right people begin to notice, and suddenly you have this huge power of pre-selection at your disposal, which in my opinion is stronger than anything else. Though high school isn't the same as real world pick up, the confidence you gain from the sudden shift in social power will help you in the future.

 

[Richard]

Perhaps I can shed some light, as I recently graduated (May 2013) and am currently enjoying my summer in the real world. In high school, I was never quote on quote popular because all the popular kids smoked weed, or x, molly, pills, and drank, and I wasn't a part of the drug scene but I knew everybody nevertheless. Anyway, in high school as you've stated reputation means EVERYTHING, and girls will turn you down regardless of your game if you're relatively known and don't have status. My advice is to work on your status first, approach the girls, and boom!
However, I also suggest you go to social places other than school to pick up women as it makes things much easier. High school is actually a lot tougher for picking up women than the real world is.

 

[Pato]

Thanks again for the awesome advice, everybody. I've been actively trying to get my fundamentals down, so it's good to know that this will help. As for the articles youngbyron suggested, they've helped tons! I've already read the sexy man and alpha article, but I went over them again anyways and also read the other 3 articles. Hopefully, I can put these to use as quickly as possible. I don't know if anyone else has/had the same problem, but it seems like the girls my age in my area are always in groups and are rarely (if ever) out alone. I'm not sure if I'm just looking in the wrong places (I've been to a couple malls and a couple other places), but it seems hard to find girls that are out alone, and I really want to get some direct approaches/one-on-one interactions in before school starts. Any suggestions or tips would be awesome! Thanks.
-Pato

 

[AsianPersuasion]

Girls will almost never be out alone dude. I was hesitant to approach them too, but you've just gotta find your way around it. I always find girls with a group of friends or their mom. In either case, if you've got your fundamentals handled, you could probably just approach them without getting too much interference from either their friends or their mothers.

The friends won't cock block you if they feel like you're a high quality guy, and it kind of takes everyone in the group by surprise. I always go prepared to be cock blocked, but so far, it's only happened once out of about a hundred approaches... that's 1%.

Moms are usually cool too because they also want the best for their daughter. They want her to have the great guys she either met, or never had the chance to meet.

Light wrote a really great response for Zphix and me for this kind of thing, and I use his advice almost every time I'm out because of how rare it is to find girls that are alone. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2368

Anyway, good luck!

 

[Byron]

Asianpersuasion
You approach girls when they're out with their moms?! Wow! How does that go?

 

[AsianPersuasion]

I'm sad to say I haven't had great success with it yet. Most of them were nice and let me talk to their daughters, and one even tried to land me a date with her daughter, not knowing she already had a bf. Every time I've met a girl with her mom had a boyfriend, even if she was eager to talk to me. The moms almost never cock-bock me.

It'll be a while before I can tell you how well it works for single girls, because they are fairly uncommon in my town.

Dads on the other hand, I've only approached one while she was with her dad. She smiled, but the dad said no, and gave me a dirty look as I went back outside.

 

[Butch]

One thing I recommend for high school is to always dress nice! Look around and you will see that most other guys dress all raggedy/ careless! Wake up early everyday and get your fundamentals right! Make sure you look sharp everyday! join every sport you can!! Playing sports is one of the fastest ways to get you recognized, become fit and meet other people! Your confidence will go up! I was in football, wrestling, and power lifting, I made more friends my senior year than all other 3 years combined just because of sports. Even if your not good at any particular sport, you will at least get a work out from it.
That's just my opinion