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I'm ugly... How do I get around my looks.

Johnnyt37

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As you can see in the picture. I'm not very good looking I'm and I'm not going to be able to change my face. I can and am in the process of losing weight as I'm a bigger guy who hasn't weighed under 200 lbs since the bigging of my sixth grade year in October of 1992. I'm able to engage a lot of girls, Get numbers, but they all usually flake on me, and I can get a lucky one off date on average once every 5 or six years since I've taken interest in girls since the seventh grade. I've never been on a second date. I was able to land an insta-date last August with a super hot fitness freak hippy girl riding her bike but once she realized I was into her romantically she left the date early.

I'm very new to pick and seduction. I started taking coaching two years ago this coming September. I've approached tons of beautiful women, had good banter, flirted but mostly they all have boyfriends or they're giving me the excuse. I know my skills with touch could be refined but I've seen guys better looking than me make way worse mistakes than I do and still get the girl. I know I'm not the best looking guy and I'm in terrible shape. Yet on some level I'm attracting the women I want. I just can't seem to get any leeway or shut down entirely. How do I get past my looks? I can be in better shape but my face is still going to pretty much blow.
 

Ambiance

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Aside from getting in good shape, here are some thoughts.

1. Smile less, and when you smile, keep your lips closed and raise the left side more. Kinda like a smirk, but you can make it more genuine. You can also tilt your head and look from the corner of your eyes.
2. Go to the main site and look up Chase's article on 7 facial expressions to incorporate. Give them a try in the mirror, and take a few at a time for a test drive.
3. Girls are far and away more attracted to a man who is socially dominant than a pretty boy. Look at The Notorious BIG for instance. Biggie was landing chicks before his career took off, which goes to show how irrelevant looks can be in your a guy who bends his environment to his will. Which leads to...
4. Learn game. You said you are new to this. That is totally cool; you have started on a great journey and you have so many awesome things ahead of you should you keep going. You're not going to be hitting home runs right from the get go. Become a sexy man, learn how to take girls through a process, and then making things happen is a foregone conclusion.
5. Fashion. It is a very big deal. You're going to want to lose weight before you invest in a wicked wardrobe though.
6. Be more direct. Are you using direct openers, or asking girls if they are single? Are you eye fucking them as they tell you about themselves? Are you speaking in a bedroom voice?
7. Ask for compliance. If you are being direct and then getting her to invest in you, girls who aren't interested will weed themselves out, which is what you want. Invite girls home more.

As far as losing weight goes, it may seem like this insurmountable obstacle that you have never been able to get past. You can't allow yourself to think this way. Losing weight really is simple. If you decrease your intake, and cut the junk food and soda and other crap, you will lose weight. Less calories in=body cannot sustain current weight=body starts depleting fat and other energy sources. If you really want to cut weight fast, do intermittent fasting. You give yourself an 8 hour or less window to eat all you are going to eat that day, and then only drink water the next 16 hours. For example, you eat a big breakfast at 10 AM, quick lunch at 2, and a big dinner at 5. Then nothing until the next day. I have gotten very quick and easy results doing this. Combine this with hitting the gym,and your body will be forced to use its fat storages because it needs to maintain and grow muscles since you're using them so rigorously.

Good luck. You got this.
 

Big Daddy

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Just keep in mind your face will get more aesthetic with the weight loss. Also, let your beard grow, it seems you have great beard genetics.

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You're only ugly because you believe it. Change that mindset. Every time you call yourself ugly give yourself a mental slap on the wrist and tell yourself that you're attractive. Do this until your subconscious believes it.
 

Inbocca

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No lie, I wish I could grow a beard like that.

I would start with backstory's advice, then start on Ambiance's list. I used to feel the same way, even though all my hot female friends would tell me I'm pretty good looking. Once you let that lie in it takes over, and every time you pass by a mirror or try on a new outfit or think about putting some work into your appearance, you think "what's the point, I'm still ugly" and then you don't do it.

Here's the truth about beauty and aesthetics: it's all subjective. Even though evolution selects for certain traits and pop culture reinforces notions about an absolute standard of beauty, natural selection is defined by who fucks whom, it doesn't define it; and even diehard followers of mainstream media have their exceptions (how many times have you heard a group of dudes talk about an actress or a model and there's that one dude that goes "I don't think she's that hot, so-and-so is way hotter"). There is no such thing as "ugly", and even if you don't have all the preferred physical features that your kind of girls want to go for, you can get there with a bit of work.

But it won't make one bit of difference if you still think you're ugly after putting in that work.

Go stand in front of the mirror and tell yourself that you're an attractive man that women would be lucky to have. You're gonna feel like you're lying to yourself and you'll start coming up with all these excuses and reasons why it's not true. Think about each reason and you'll realize just about all of them are fixable. Then you say "Yeah, but I can do X and fix that. I'm still attractive though." It takes some time, but do this on a regular basis and eventually - maybe even before you've gotten the results you want - you'll catch a glimpse of yourself and go "damn, I look good".
 

SillyCarl

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Johnny

As a fellow brother man, my advice would be to hit the gym and pack on muscles. I would die for a beard right now, but genetics are not on my side on that one. I am in college at the moment and from what I have seen, is looks only matter if you make them matter. I do not wanna sound all woo woo buy my ebook belief system bull, but there is guys that i know who wax fine chicks but are not that attractive. The secret lies in their game, they are confident, dress well and have great verbal and non-verbal game. But i will say that as you get better looking game does become easier and girls give you more leeway on the mistakes you do, which I see happening for you brother as you lose weight and approach more.

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I think if you lost weight you'd be a great looking dude. Even now, you're not ugly whatsoever... Looks are subjective.
 

Parkour

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If Forest Whitaker can get a wife like he has, you've got it way easy with your mug.
You're already on the masculine/dominant end of looks. Getting fit, you'll clean up.
Don't settle for the average version of yourself. Get ripped and you'll be way ahead because you've got that build. Girls will melt. The momentum you'll get from getting fit will destroy your insecurity and probably ripple through successes in rest of your life and generate the defensible confidence which turns girls on more than anything.
Seriously consider geeking out on bodybuilding forums to learn how to shread weight and become your superhero self.
 

Johnnyt37

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As for the l
Ambiance said:
Aside from getting in good shape, here are some thoughts.

1. Smile less, and when you smile, keep your lips closed and raise the left side more. Kinda like a smirk, but you can make it more genuine. You can also tilt your head and look from the corner of your eyes.
2. Go to the main site and look up Chase's article on 7 facial expressions to incorporate. Give them a try in the mirror, and take a few at a time for a test drive.
3. Girls are far and away more attracted to a man who is socially dominant than a pretty boy. Look at The Notorious BIG for instance. Biggie was landing chicks before his career took off, which goes to show how irrelevant looks can be in your a guy who bends his environment to his will. Which leads to...
4. Learn game. You said you are new to this. That is totally cool; you have started on a great journey and you have so many awesome things ahead of you should you keep going. You're not going to be hitting home runs right from the get go. Become a sexy man, learn how to take girls through a process, and then making things happen is a foregone conclusion.
5. Fashion. It is a very big deal. You're going to want to lose weight before you invest in a wicked wardrobe though.
6. Be more direct. Are you using direct openers, or asking girls if they are single? Are you eye fucking them as they tell you about themselves? Are you speaking in a bedroom voice?
7. Ask for compliance. If you are being direct and then getting her to invest in you, girls who aren't interested will weed themselves out, which is what you want. Invite girls home more.

As far as losing weight goes, it may seem like this insurmountable obstacle that you have never been able to get past. You can't allow yourself to think this way. Losing weight really is simple. If you decrease your intake, and cut the junk food and soda and other crap, you will lose weight. Less calories in=body cannot sustain current weight=body starts depleting fat and other energy sources. If you really want to cut weight fast, do intermittent fasting. You give yourself an 8 hour or less window to eat all you are going to eat that day, and then only drink water the next 16 hours. For example, you eat a big breakfast at 10 AM, quick lunch at 2, and a big dinner at 5. Then nothing until the next day. I have gotten very quick and easy results doing this. Combine this with hitting the gym,and your body will be forced to use its fat storages because it needs to maintain and grow muscles since you're using them so rigorously.

Good luck. You got this.

Ambiance that's for the list.

1. & 2. I don't smile unless it's one hundred percent a big belly laugh or smile.I don't take many pictures if any at all, part of it is my self-image issues with my weight and having to look at full body pics where I see how big I am through the camera's eyes. I struggle with the "smile with the eyes" stuff and a lot of the subtle things with showing amusement or happiness while looking "serious" that dating coaches/PUA's stress. I'm usually expressionless until stimulated. Although I'm told that I am the kind of person who wears his heart on his sleeve. I emote and can show if I'm happy, sad, angry, indifferent. People have told me they can tell just by looking at me. I will try some out. See which ones work in matching up to my mood at the moment.

3. I can be very outgoing in my nature. It is to connect with people and I am in need of learning when to reign it back in because I can come off as very overwhelming to some. That's my biggest goal to not come off as overbearing or try hard.

4. I've learned and know the basics with touch, body language, body positioning, posture, flirting, vocal tonality, and sexual escalation. I've made great improvements where I went from two years ago having panic attacks while avoiding making strong eye contact around girls/women I was attracted too and want to date or sleep with to now I can do all those things and hold a conversation. I have struggled with the negative body language and having her be the one to fully turn her body to you first and I ended up screwing up the insta-date I had by turning my body towards her too soon and being too hands on too early.

5. My dress has improved a lot. I'm going to get some clothes this next week for summer, I already have some nice polo shirts, some dark jeans, and slacks I can wear, good t-shirts, and a casual button up I wear with my black jeans that gets lots of compliments when I dress up to go out. I still have some lightly worn dress shirts I can wear casually or formally that are the size that I want to get down too from high school when I was heavily involved in DECA. At least half a dozen if not more shirts. My biggest issue will be finding good pants. You're right, get clothes tailored clothes once I start to lose weight and get closer to my goal size. So I'm my most attractive self.

6. My biggest issue is not directness but being too direct too early in the conversation because for years I was the guy who didn't express his feelings or interest in a girl and got friend zoned pretty hard. Then I got more knowledge on pick up and seduction used what I learned but started going the opposite way and being on the extreme end of direct where I'm the cool guy who builds attraction to the "I thought he was cool guy" who overshares. My issue is with being direct but finding that happy medium. I also have an issue with not sounding "black" or having that supposed deep, smooth voice that's associated with black men like a Lou Rawls, Barry White, and the like. when I speak in a lower tone to have a "bedroom voice" it is my normal voice just lower, not as loud. I feel lacking, I get made fun of for not having a "deep voice".

7. I can get girls to comply. I do have days where I'm good at touching but because I'm a virgin and I just recently had my first real make out with a woman I met out gaming and socializing I can have good touch, flirting, then struggle with how to pull the trigger and kiss a girl. Seed going back to my or her place for sex. I can feel it's time for that even throw out a good banter line. Get her sit down with me, take my hand and move to another part of the bar or to the back patio even kiss me on the cheek. But I freeze up because of uncertainty,inexperience, and fear because of my size difference to a great deal of the very attractive women I'm interacting with now. I'm noticing simple requests and the get bigger. I need to do this more without fear as the stakes start raising.

I do appreciate the tips and support. I have decided to go to the gym and am joining the new Planet Fitness this weekend and I will be looking into the Paleo and Keto diets. While cutting out the sugary treats and soda I consume in mass qaunitities. I am going to get back to working out and eating healthy. First step is no soda and no fast food. I will keep you all updated on my progress.

As well as looking and talking about myself everyday in a positive light and rewiring my inner thinking to believing and thinking I'm attractive and a babe magnet girls will be dying to be with.
 
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