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In a bad place due to an accusation

Smiling_Stray

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I've had a bunch of guys come to me privately over the years with various accusations they're facing. The vast majority are college guys dealing with college girls. The remainder are dudes who met rando psycho chicks one way or another.

Of the college guys, you might be surprised but over half the girls were not on alcohol or drugs at all. Stone sober. Sometimes they had sex, sometimes just some groping, sometimes just a kiss. In a few cases the guy didn't even touch the girl but got accused of sexual assault.

I'd put it at 10% of college chicks have rape paranoia in their heads, yes. It's no guarantee that you'll be the lucky winner... these chicks will also hook up with guys then just warn them off but not do anything, and accuse some other guy. I have had guys tell me about girls telling them stuff on a subsequent hookup like, "You know, that first time we had sex, that could technically have been rape," but then the girl gets all snuggly with the guy. Then she tells him, "Don't do that with girls," about whatever it was he did (like kiss them hard or something). The girls who go around seeing everything as "technically rape" will accuse some guys and not accuse other guys based on whatever whims they're feeling.

Every single college guy who gets accused is COMPLETELY blown away, and CANNOT believe it, because he KNOWS he is a totally respectful guy who totally loves women and he was CERTAIN that every girl could feel this with him. It turns his world upside down to find out some girl he did his best to give a nice experience to is treating him like her mortal enemy and is out for total annihilation. He just never expected it in a million years.

You are free to do your own cost benefit analysis. Most of this stuff is not getting shared publicly, because the accused are ashamed and don't want to besmirch their names further, the universities don't want it going public, and the girls are savvy enough to know they can damage guys quietly going through the institutions but if they make it public it risks blow back on them too. I'm just telling you from what I have seen... the sheer amount of totally brainwashed, radicalized chicks on college campuses is absurd. It is actually worse on the more heavily female college campuses, too, due to very bitter women who can't get guys to be serious.

Anyway, do with that info what you will.



I'm not telling you you have to do anything, brother.

I'm just giving you my opinion, based on what I have seen and heard.

It seems like the consequences of gambling and getting it wrong -- $10s or $100s of thousands in legal fees (I have heard from $15K to $100K from the guys I have talked to about how much it cost); expulsion from school; inability to graduate; total abandonment by one's previously bosom buddies, all of whom now consider you persona non grata (the guys I have talked to were usually more broken by this than anything else); and in some cases criminal charges -- when dealing with the #1 demographic for this kind of tomfoolery (college girls who attend the same university you do) are ridiculously high compared to the benefits.

I think a lot of guys don't fully get how deep this whole victim mentality goes in a lot of both men and women in the West. There are a LOT of chicks out there who view everything that happens to them in the light of victimization (just as there are a lot of men). This is incentivized by Western culture and gets amplified even further in university environments.

But I've been hearing this stuff for years and years from so many shocked, terrified, hopeless college guys. Most guys aren't going to post it publicly and most of it doesn't get into the news. Even when it does get reported, you don't usually get the full measure of the fallout on the guy's life either. If you're not getting exposed to the vast majority of it, and the full extent of it, I can understand why it would seem like a smaller risk than it is.

Some stuff we've just got to find out on our own, eh?

I'll just say, if you're going to be the gambler, let's hope your stars are lucky!

Also, if you're going to gamble: have a backup plan.

Like, "JUST IN CASE I get expelled over some girl, I will [start consulting online] [teach English in XYZ country] [move to ABC state and apply to DEF university there] [etc.]." You can also plan to go on the warpath... one guy I counseled who was expelled I advised to lawyer up and threaten to sue them into oblivion and make it a huge press piece with stuff all over the media about how he was wrongly accused and denied fair treatment and denied his degree and that the university's name would be everywhere. As soon as he started threatening that they had him fully reinstated and allowed him to graduate. He still missed the graduation ceremony and lost most of his friends, though, due to the accusation. Only a very, very few stuck by him. It was a bittersweet ending. At least he graduated.

But yeah, if you're banging college girls on your campus, have your plan of action ready for if it goes sideways, just as one of those, "Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it," contingencies.

That way if the worst should happen, you don't get stuck dwelling too long in confusion and hopelessness!

Chase
I had a bad gut feeling when I left her apartment (huh… maybe I subconsciously figured something was off) and I immediately bought a recorder that I can have on at all times in my pocket because I wish I had it on me there. And yeah, some places have meh laws in regards to recording permissions but I’m not necessarily just doing it for the legal courts but also the courts of public opinion. It’s something you can show people that’s concrete (if the recording quality is good)
 

Smiling_Stray

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David Bond said on streams he makes girls show ID, sign consent forms and has security cameras in all rooms to avoid false allegations. Sounds excessive but I suppose better safe than sorry.
that sounds a mood killer but also like a kinda funny thing to watch. And hey, if it works…
 

Chase

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I had a bad gut feeling when I left her apartment (huh… maybe I subconsciously figured something was off) and I immediately bought a recorder that I can have on at all times in my pocket because I wish I had it on me there. And yeah, some places have meh laws in regards to recording permissions but I’m not necessarily just doing it for the legal courts but also the courts of public opinion. It’s something you can show people that’s concrete (if the recording quality is good)

That's smart.

50 Cent said he had cameras in his bedroom and recorded every sexual encounter just to guard against false rape accusations.

That could be a solution for college guys wanting to bang college girls from their campuses: insist on the girl coming to your place, where you have hidden cameras set up, and make sure you're also recording audio. Then just stash all those recordings away and keep backups.

(and resist the temptation to show them to buddies to brag, because that'll open up a different can of worms... also, it's pretty scummy behavior)

Then if you get an accusation, it's, "Oh, well I actually have the recording right here. How about we pop it in and take a look at the sequence of events?"

Chase
 

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David Bond said on streams he makes girls show ID, sign consent forms and has security cameras in all rooms to avoid false allegations. Sounds excessive but I suppose better safe than sorry.
This is not necessary (the consent forms that will kill the spontaneity of sex) he is in the "balziriam" type status wise, context please but yes having a ring camara and camaras inside not a bad idea and they are very affordable couple of 100 bucks if that...
 

ElChe

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Man Chase's replies have me so spooked. I'm in a college town with like 56k students but the city itself is not that big. And there's so many attractive women everywhere! 😫
It sucks this is how things are right now. It kills my motivation for women a bit.

Also Smiling_Stray it stinks you have to go through this. Just know that everybody on this forum (and every person who isn't nuts/brainwashed) sees you as the innocent one.

People can get crazy and do evil things like false rape accusations, but that's not reality. People who are actually connected to others and not running on these crazy narratives don't see masculinity as predatory. Masculinity is real, it's there and it's a core part of your ability to do great things and help people.
 

ulrich

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@ElChe, are you worried about that?
I was under the impression that you live in Latin America… maybe here we still don’t have it that bad.

Unless you are in Argentina.
I heard feminism is rampant over there.
 

ElChe

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@ElChe, are you worried about that?
I was under the impression that you live in Latin America… maybe here we still don’t have it that bad.

Unless you are in Argentina.
I heard feminism is rampant over there.
Nah I'm in the US. I'd like to try living in Latin America at some point (my family is from latin America), but I'm getting free tuition on a super useful college degree, so I'll be here for the next 1.5 years.

I will tread very carefully...
 
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