in defense of Drck(an appeal to the hig ranking seducers)

[Ree]

I totally get why Drck,was banned ...and nearly all the people who get banned here deserve it.
i followed closely Drck altercation with high ranking seducers and i have to say
that some high ranking seducers here do not carry themselves up to the standard that Chase Sepuku and Franco have set.

Hector is sometimes too(and sometimes unneccesarily ) aggresive in debates.

Richard is is notorious for commenting on things that he does not know so much about.
(he knows seduction,granted)...but every now and then i will make a post about evolutionary psychology or genetics,and he will hop into with very wrong data.
just an example off the top of my mind...he once said that a human is gender indifferent for some time in the womb.
and sex is determined only after some weeks in the womb.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17546

now this is lwrong information that would make anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of mmammalian biology choke.
in humans sex is determined at fertilisation(immediately after mitosis..xx = female,xy = male)

but because he is a high ranking seducer,this wrong information is believed over my thoroughly researched and accurate information.

any one versed in the art of persuasion will tell you that ethos(credibility) weighs more heavilly than logos(logic) in a debate.
with the large amount of ethos that comes with being a high ranking seducer.
I would then appeal to these high ranking guys to refrain from talking about topics that they are not knowledgable about(a good practice regardless of rank).
and to refrain from unnecesary hostility(following the drck vs hector debate )
with great power comes great responsibilty.

 

[Lover]

What Richard wrote, is not wrong. But you are not wrong either.

It's true that the genetic combination of X's and Y's determines the future sex of a zygote. But the zygote is "genderless", phenotypically speaking, until a certain point of pregnancy. Genderless in this sense means that male or female organs haven't been developed yet.

I didn't read the other thread, but from your resume, I guess what you guys were arguing about is whether gender is determined by genes or sex organs or both. And maybe a whole lot of other things?

So yeah, none of you are wrong from what I see. You just see things differently.

And thank you.......... <--- For not doing this for once

 

[Ree]

What Richard wrote, is not wrong. But you are not wrong either.

It's true that the genetic combination of X's and Y's determines the future sex of a zygote. But the zygote is "genderless", phenotypically speaking, until a certain point of pregnancy. Genderless in this sense means that male or female organs haven't been developed yet.

I didn't read the other thread, but from your resume, I guess what you guys were arguing about is whether gender is determined by genes or sex organs or both. And maybe a whole lot of other things?

So yeah, none of you are wrong from what I see. You just see things differently.

And thank you.......... <--- For not doing this for once

lol
It is very interesting that I never have a problem with people mispelling or using bad grammar.
However some people get really irked by this.
Very funny that if someone uses "irregardless" instead of "regardless" ,I don't even notice,however my brother really gets irritated.

Roger Sperry (Won A Nobel prize for his work on brian lateralization) thought that whether grammar irks you or not has to do with brain dominance.
While brain lateralizaion is a science,like everything on the internet there is a bunch of pseudo scientists talking about it,so be careful if you research about this.

 

[Chase]

Thoughtful post, Ree.

Balancing things with senior members is always a delicate forum consideration. You want senior guys who can help guide the newer guys and also uphold the culture of the place. These guys are a big part of the glue that hold a forum together.

You also have to avoid groupthink or cliquishness setting in. Which I think we've largely done a pretty good job on. But I always have an eye on this too.

Steve Pavlina has an old (very long, but deep/amazing) post on what killed his forum:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2011/1 ... he-forums/

I read this before we launched the boards. I think of it every time people start getting groupish or cliquish, or guys start acting entitled, or doing anything else that seems poisonous to the boards.

In general, so long as you can catch potentially harmful future behavior when it's still in its infancy, you can nip it long before it gets to the point where members become divisive or poisonous. Not always though - e.g., Altair, Armani Code, other guys we banned.

Hector's said he will work to strike a more even tone in debates.

As for the Richard thing... like Ajay notes. Broad claims lead to viewpoint clashes. If your position is "sex is determined by genetics", then sex is determined at conception. If your position is "sex is determined by sex organs", then sex is determined 3 weeks in, depending on a mixture of mostly genetics but also the activation of certain genes that may or may not be activated... possibly depending on the environment in the womb.

Whether you consider sex determined by genetics or external or internal biology is down to ideology. Whether someone is "officially" male or female is semantics. What does your definition of male/female include? All the battling over "gender" in the West is a semantics/culture battle. Whether you call someone a male or a female obviously doesn't effect his DNA or his sex organs. This conversation is really about labeling: who gets what label and who doesn't.

Chase

 

[Big Daddy]

Roger Sperry (Won A Nobel prize for his work on brian lateralization) thought that whether grammar irks you or not has to do with brain dominance.

To be honest, personally, I only care about grammar to the point that I can clearly read what the writer wanted to communicate without wasting time trying to make sense of what he writes. As the writer, the onus on getting readers interested in what he has to say is on him.

 

[Hue]

Chase,

Good read with the link. Makes me think about these boards from a larger lens. And honestly I'll admit to doing some of the negative behaviors described in there, so I'll do my best to catch myself if I start exhibiting some of the things that degraded Pavlina's forum.

Whether you consider sex determined by genetics or external or internal biology is down to ideology. Whether someone is "officially" male or female is semantics. What does your definition of male/female include? All the battling over "gender" in the West is a semantics/culture battle. Whether you call someone a male or a female obviously doesn't effect his DNA or his sex organs. This conversation is really about labeling: who gets what label and who doesn't.

Excellent point. I've actually dished out back and forths with my friends a few times where it just boils down to semantics we were using. Thanks for point this out.

Hue