Initiating, stimulating, reading

[Barney]

Heyya all!

I've got obsessed with Girlschase, I must admit, it flipped me upside down. I tried to put the idea to practice, and needless to say, I've failed miserably.

What I observed however was:

I was very easy to initiate "stages" (such as asking her out, taking her out, getting past small talk, incidental touching)

However, at one point I got stuck. And I suspect, that was so either because:

a, I couldn't stimulate the present stage. In other words, I sucked at what I was trying to do, or
b, I couldn't read her, in other words, my results, so I couldn't take appropriate action

So, to break down the whole thing to someone who wasted half his life on PC gaming:
The whole process is about initiating a new stage when it's appropriate (approaching her 90% of times is appropriate for example), stimulating the stage we are at (excelling at the body language and the game the present situation requires), and reading if your present stage is "ripe" for progress.

Is that observation correct, or am I missing something?

Many thanks:
Barney

 

[TheWiseFool]

Barney,

If you don't mind, could you go into more detail as to what you are trying to ask? I just need a bit more information to connect the dots so my brain can actually help you out haha. Such as this...

stimulating the stage we are at (excelling at the body language and the game the present situation requires)

... I don't quite follow.

In regards to...

reading if your present stage is "ripe" for progress.

... I suggest reading https://www.girlschase.com/content/escalation-windows
Girls will usually say things to hint to you that they want to leave the current area they are in now. Other times, they'll get fidgety, restless, or rude because you are moving too slow. In video game language, "Hit 'Continue' to enter to *insert next level of the game*."

Hope this helps and hope to help even further,
- The Wise Fool

 

[Barney]

The Wise Fool (love your name)

My problem seems to be not what most guys struggle with, which is to dare approach women or try to do stuff with them, but the how. In my teens, I've tried to get something out of almost every girl I saw, but I've done horribly, never having a fulfilling relationship, and only one occasion of casual sex. When I've filled the test in, it kept putting me to Journeyman, despite the fact that I haven't had sex for 14 months.

So, I've got this thing I call initiation under controll. I'm confident in asking them out, touching them, approaching them etc.

However, I'm not good at stimulating them, or the stage we're at.This is pretty much the biggest chunk of the job. I'm working on my appearance, mindset, speech, and all that stuff that makes them want to progress I think I may have problems deep diving, genuine interest and a bunch of other things from the top of my mind. The result: I try to make them do things they don't want. Not good.

Aaand, I have trouble reading them. That means, I have no idea if they would resist doing something, or are actually itching to do it. With that specific girl, I sat very close to her, and she pretty much told me to bugger off from her private sphere. The whole thing went on a rapid downhill afterwards, and I pretty much gave up.

Does that make sense now?

Thanks:
Barney

 

[TheWiseFool]

I have no idea if they would resist doing something, or are actually itching to do it.

Approach more, collect more reference experiences so that you have enough experience to know seduction like the back of your hand, just as you play a level over and over again until you get to that point where you can get the +A plus rating or perfect score.

I try to make them do things they don't want

Care to elaborate? If you haven't read up on many of the articles on the site, I suggest doing so. Asking the higher up guys questions is something I recommend as well, I read an article on child prodigy's and one of the reasons why such people end up at the master level is because they had amazing teacher(s) who gave them the feedback they needed to hear and pushed them to places they didn't want to go to but needed to if they wanted to succeed. If you're asking her to invest/comply, ask yourself, "Did I start with smaller levels of investment/compliance before escalating to higher ones?" "Did I properly reward her to encourage behavior I like and did I ignore those that I do not want to encourage?"

I sat very close to her

Next time you are with a girl and want to get closer to her so that you within her personal space, I suggest telling her to move closer. How? Give some sort of plausible deniability before commanding her to move closer, such as "Hey, I can't hear what you're saying. Come over here," then you pull her closer to you or pat the spot just a bit away from you. When she is within a foot or so away, meet her halfway by scooting in just a bit more or pulling her in or saying you want to look at something she has on her like a ring, bracelet, tattoo, scarf, article of clothing, her hair, ANYTHING haha! You give her a reason to comply, she invests, you come off as more dominant and thus, sexy.

If she's telling you things like,

bugger off from her private sphere.

What did you say or do afterwards? What you do after she does something like this is KEY to winning her over/winning the game. Did you...
1. comply with her demand
2. did you ignore what she said, stood your ground and came back with some witty remark like... o I don't know, "Funny I was about to say the same thing. I'd feel bad if I had to kick you out, so I'm gonna be nice and share it with you as long as you behave yourself."
OR
you don't need to say anything at all. You could give her a skeptical look until she cracks (I'm assuming she'd look at your face, ask herself why, then her mind would come up with the reason that she is being unreasonable or rude).
3. You back off then reply with a witty remark like, "Your wish is my command princess, but don't get mad at me later when I have to pet you with my ten-foot pole when we're getting breakfast tomorrow." (Playful and you create the frame that you and her are going to end up together).
OR
Express understanding of her concern by backing away a bit then saying, "Alright, I get it. I'm some random stranger encroaching on your personal space. I thought you wouldn't see me that way... I guess I was wrong" Look off into the distance and express a feeling of being hurt. If you do it right, I'm assuming she would feel bad and come over or something to comfort you.

In either of the latter two cases, she could get up and leave, but would you rather stick with option number 1 and submit to her? I wouldn't... I'd rather treat her like what Chase tells us to see women as they are, cute, silly, little girls. If you think about it, we're all children on the inside. We just force ourselves to grow and adapt to our surroundings because of survival... :/

I probably haven't approached as many women as you, but these are just things that come off the top of my head. It helps to define specifically for yourself in some sort of journal (there is a section of the forums for that if you want one that people can read and give you feedback on), then work on three of those weak points at a time until they become strengths.

I am by no means an expert, but I hope I helped out a bit more
- The Wise Fool

 

[Barney]

Care to elaborate? If you haven't read up on many of the articles on the site, I suggest doing so.

It's just a specific thing I think I need to adress. I was some sort of date barbarian, who always tried things, but had close to no success. About reading: I've done nothing, but reading articles from girlschase in the past few days. I've got about...20?30? dunno, but quite a lot. I wish I could count women in those numbers.

Asking the higher up guys questions is something I recommend as well

I would love to have a mentor, if that's what you're referring to, but how?

Also, does persistence always work? Is it not possible that she just doesn't fancy me, and clearly wants me to stay away (in which case, why did she come with me to begin with?)

(there is a section of the forums for that if you want one that people can read and give you feedback on)

which one?

Just to make it clear, I didn't want to get into a complaint or a rant or anything, I was just interested in this process of reading and stimulating, as I'm fairly brave for a beginner (still having a lot to work on), but that's as far as I go, and I can't handle the situation I put myself in, and end up panicking once I'm actually in the middle of it, and an unexpected turn of events arise.

Your feedback is most welcome
Barney

 

[TheWiseFool]

About reading: I've done nothing, but reading articles from girlschase in the past few days. I've got about...20?30?

Great stuff, just remember that you are repeatedly reading the essential ones rather than all of them once.

I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who had practiced one kick 10,000 times.
― Bruce Lee

I would love to have a mentor, if that's what you're referring to, but how?

Scroll to the top, click members, click rank twice. Message any of the tribal leaders, cro-magnon guys. They usually know what they are doing.

does persistence always work? Is it not possible that she just doesn't fancy me, and clearly wants me to stay away (in which case, why did she come with me to begin with?)

Of course it doesn't work, but since you've been testing things out I'm sure you'll find the limits to which one can persist before losing the target. At the moment, since we're beginners, I'd assume that it's better to really push even until death. Just one girl. If you need to find peace with doing such things, then DO IT FOR SCIENCE!!! Just be sure to do what you do with social grace and try to leave her with a good impression rather than a "I can't believe you'd past up someone like me" attitude that just comes off snooty and low class... We live in a small world, but if you are pretty damn sure you won't run into her again, then by all means, go for the kill.

I didn't want to get into a complaint or a rant or anything

I doubt you are. From my own experience, people will tell you if they have a problem with you. And since this site is inspiring men to be more dominant and assertive, I'm sure they will make it known if a problem arises Seek and you shall find. Ask and the door shall be opened unto you.

Glad I can help! I take great joy in benefiting others.
- The Wise Fool