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FR+  into the boyfriend bin

Bob-B

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Hey guys,

Met a girl online, 4 messages back and forth and she have me her #. I sent her a text just saying hi and I would set up a date with her after the weekend. Shot her a text and set up a date, she actually sent me the anti flake text the day of the date which I thought was a good thing...she's obviously interested. This part is short and sweet mostly because I have this part down to a science thanks to chases articles on online dating and text messaging. I probably read those articles 20 times a peice b4 I finally got it down (my messaging/texting skills were atrocious...cost me a shitload of dates)

I picked her up at her place and hit it off pretty well on the way to the bar. I basically just related to what she was saying when asking her about herself etc. and qualified her where I could. Those are both a little new to me but I was in a good social mood so it wasn't actually too difficult. We got to town and walked around, I picked the place to get drinks. Same thing in the bar, chatting away but I started to include touching etc. (I think it's called "kino"?). This is also a bit new to me but she responded well with touching my arm/shoulders etc. I also made sure to work on my eye contact (not a strong suit of mine) and I could see her respond by getting more into what she was telling me and smiling more.

At one point I threw out a sexual frame, pretty clearly I thought, but it went right over her head. Not in an awkward way but she flat out missed it. This has actually happend to me a few times lately, which blows because I still haven't really learned how to use them often so when they miss it's basically missing my only shot.

About an hour in she asked me what we were doing next an I replied "eh, just heading home... Watch some South Park. The beers are cheaper there." I invited her (can't remember exactly what I said) but it didn't come out very smooth and she have me a little bit of a reluctant look so I just moved the conversation elsewhere. Overall the conversations moved smoothly and hinted at lots of interest between the 2 of us with lots of "kino?" Involved.

When we got back to my truck she looked at me very innocently and sweetly and softly asked me if I would drive her home instead of my place then immediately followed with "it's certainly not that I'm not interested but..." I just smiled and told her no problem and said lets do dinner at my place next week and left it at that.

We made out and felt her up a bit when we got to her place but went no further.

So she comes over for dinner last night, actually ended up going out (just moved in/haven't unpacked yet). When she got to my house I said hi/complimented her outfit etc, and kissed her briefly. I offered her a drink, we both sit down on the couch with a beer. She snuggled right up to me but our conversation was sputtering a bit. I was wicked tired and unsociable (stressed with other shit) so it was difficult for me to stay off autopilot myself. I didn't want things to head to far south so I just started making out with her, I just kinda said fuck it she's already here and not in a rush to leave so I'll try and escalate now. I got her layed down on the couch and started kissing around her neck and work my way down to her stomach, pulled her shirt down a bit and locked her nipples on the way up but once I got back to her face she put the boobs away pretty quickly. I just backed off and went back to conversating normally.

We go out to eat and the conversation got better but I was definetly being a bit doushey. In trying to be more arrogant and jerk like I actually just made dumb kid like references and pumped my value up a bunch of times...in a very unskilled way. Either way I managed to keep my head above water with her but I was trying to get out of boyfriend territory but still show her interest...not as easily done as it sounds. I kinda got the sense I might be the boyfriend candidate on our first meeting as it was similar to another date I had a couple of months ago. That chick made it pretty clear when she came over the second time that we needed to go on 100 dates and fall in love before we can do missionary in the dark...fuck that, I basically kicked her out of my house.

She's very competitive so we played A cornhole video game thing at the bar. I beat her both times (I tried letting her win but she was too frustrated that she was losing lol). After this I paid that tab (we split the first date but this girl is between jobs so I'm assuming she's not made of money. We stopped at the lake on my road and just chilled a bit before going home then it was back to the house. I had her carry in the leftovers just to make sure she came in the house without me telling her to.

We grab a beer and start making out, I picked her up by the ass and set her on the counter then started working my way down
her: hey...I, I need to tell you something...
Me: (stopped what I was doing and looked her in the eyes trying to use the bedroom eyes)
Her: I don't do that kind of thing, I really need to know somebody REALLY well first blah blah blah"
Me: alright (continued looking in her eyes)
Her: you don't look like you understand blah blah blah"
I just went back to kissing her and tried to persist a couple of times but she cut off any advances.

A couple of times I got her to moan a bit but she wouldn't give in. Eventually I just stopped and continued to conversate like nothing happend. Eventually sending her on the way and offered for her to come over Friday for the night...dunno if I should even bother.

She said she's only been in one long term relationship and it sucked (one year long)....and also I met her on match which maybe she legitimately is looking for a relationship only? I dunno, from what I read on her any chick that invest will put out unless we fuck something up.

You guys always give good advice and it's much appreciated, hope you guys keep up the good work!!

Keep on keepin on
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

Lotus

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Re: FR+ into the boyfriend bin

"eh, just heading home... Watch some South Park. The beers are cheaper there."

That doesn't sound very appetizing, if I was her I would react the same way. Ideally you want to have a general plan beforehand, but you want her to feel like your inviting her over because you enjoyed her company that you just want to continue to hang out. "Hey, you seem pretty cool/this has been really fun.. lets keep hanging out and (insert fun thing you had in mind)."

But you want to do this as close to the actual transition as possible so she doesn't have time to think about it, she just FEELS it's right.

I just smiled and told her no problem and said lets do dinner at my place next week and left it at that.

1. persist, persist, persist
2. If you can't pull don't let her leave thinking she has you. You want her to be unsure if she has you, rather then you being unsure if you have her. When you leave it hanging she thinks, "I wonder if he will ask me out again". The more she thinks about you the more invested in you she will be.

After this I paid that tab (we split the first date but this girl is between jobs so I'm assuming she's not made of money
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Getting out of the relationship zone is already hard enough, this dug you deeper.

Eventually sending her on the way and offered for her to come over Friday for the night...dunno if I should even bother.

Stop offering up follow ups ahead of time, you killing yourself with them. :)

-brum
 

ray_zorse

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Re: FR+ into the boyfriend bin

I thought you did pretty well, just gotta work on your abundance mentality, transitions and pulling. And as Brum said, persist. I had exactly the same situation last night as your first date (see my journal), but the difference is I persisted till the bitter end, several times when she demurred I physically pulled her along and I never stopped trying to normalize it verbally or using pull talk (light conversation to distract her en route). I got her to within sight of my house before she finally imploded and pulled away for real. I didn't GAF if this offended her because due to my abundance mentality I'd already decided it was now or never, but paradoxically the IDGAF attitude and hard push actually builds attraction because even if you failed to pull, the more dominantly you tried the more value and attainability you got. Put it this way, if she's considering investing another 1~2hrs of dating time with you or me, then all other things being equal she'll choose me, because she knows she'll get sex.
Ray
 
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