Is it fucked up to not want to be married to an old woman ?

[ChrisVirtue]

Any form of marriage if successful will eventually lead to you being with a woman who is 50+

Obviously you won't be sexually attracted to this 55yo woman.

So, why marry ? it seems ridiculously shortsighted. It's like buying a car and saying ok I'll never buy a new car not even in 30-40 years.

Even an OLTR open-marriage seems bad as well... sure you can fuck other young hot girls if you have game, but then you got this old broad waiting for you at home. Why in the fuck would that be more desirable than coming home to a dope mansion by yourself and just inviting a few young girls over for 3somes, then kicking them out when you want alone time ?

Is there something I'm missing or marriage is just for guys who are in scarcity and it's an "unspoken rule" around high status men that marriage is a losing proposition for the man ?

And men are just pressured by feminist societal narratives to marry - "look at him, such a good man".

I'm sure there are others but seems like Leo dicaprio is one of the few who can just keep fucking 20-25yo models and gets a pass for it (doesn't get shamed relentlessly/me-too'd like dan bilzerian or andrew tate).

Any other examples of men who live a lifestyle that's non-monogamous and somehow bypasses feminist attacks or gets away with it as "the guy who doesn't count" ?

 

[theReason]

Obviously you won't be sexually attracted to this 55yo woman.

https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/limerance-journal-help-needed.28700/post-173641

It's like buying a car and saying ok I'll never buy a new car not even in 30-40 years.

https://www.volvocars.com/au/news/electrification/2023-october-one-careful-owner/

 

[topcat]

like Leo dicaprio is one of the few who can just keep fucking 20-25yo models and gets a pass for it (doesn't get shamed relentlessly/me-too'd like dan bilzerian or andrew tate).

Be mindful of what you assume famous people are doing. What you are shown and told, aren’t the reality.

On everything else, most people don’t want when they’re old what they did when young.

Fresh pussy to most becomes less of a priority: stability, comfort and companionship, partnership take precedent.

Take it from somebody who still can’t fathom getting married, doesn’t see personal utility in companionship (yet?) and loves singledom - there is such a thing as too much pussy. It gets old. Girls get annoying.

When you get there, if you get there - how else will you spend your spare 24hours (and with whom)?

When your friends all marry around you, no longer have time to hang out - what will you do?

When that girl you see more than the rest, who rarely gives you problems and is more pleasant to hang out with than the rest is still hanging around. When all the others dropped off, found boyfriends - what do you do?

When you decide you need to hunker down focus on work and building assets, get serious. And she’s still there - what do you do?

Years pass and she’s still there, life is comfortable, she’s still there, and sure there are pretty girls out there but damn the energy it would take, and the instability it would cause the household - what do you do?

You might just choose wrinkles.

 

[ChrisVirtue]

When your friends all marry around you, no longer have time to hang out - what will you do?

Just because friends are getting married, is a bad reason. Simple answer... get more friends and get younger friends with growth mindsets.

When you decide you need to hunker down focus on work and building assets, get serious. And she’s still there - what do you do?

Years pass and she’s still there, life is comfortable, she’s still there, and sure there are pretty girls out there but damn the energy it would take, and the instability it would cause the household - what do you do?

You might just choose wrinkles.

Am I wrong that these are just scarcity mindsets ?

Who says that you can't build assets AND have new girls every month. A girlfriend is more distracting/time-consuming than being single IME.

Yes, gaming consistently is time-consuming as well but I think it's more than balanced by the energy and social confidence/momentum that comes with overcoming AA, and succeeding with SNL etc... There are times where I've laid a new girl and the confidence it gives me directly leads into business success.. (ex: closing a big sale the day after). Not to mention that social momentum can be leveraged into networking quite efficiently... rich guys love to be connected with a guy who can get them laid with hot girls or at least make them think that they can...

Thinking that it's "too much energy" to get new girls just shows weakness of systems... as we get older our game systems should be better such that we get higher quality girls with less effort.

Again I think it's scarcity to assume that we won't have energy...

I 100% get why guys in scarcity who have poor game skills and low status would jump at the chance to wife a woman...

But, for a guy in abundance, high status, great game skills... I don't get this mindset that STILL "well one day ill have to hang it up and settle down" - this is just rooted in a scarcity mindset somewhere that we don't deserve to have our cake and eat it too.

I've been thinking about this regarding my own mindset recently... why do i feel like the game life is "too good to be true" and that I can't just have new girls every month for the rest of my life... when logically there is no reason that can't happen... so it must be more of an inner belief I have rooted due to societal conditioning...

 

[ChrisVirtue]

https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/limerance-journal-help-needed.28700/post-173641


https://www.volvocars.com/au/news/electrification/2023-october-one-careful-owner/

re: first link... interesting. I'd assume this is due to anchoring in the mind, as you saw her at her hottest and brain associated her with being desirable, and as she falls off the brain still maintains these neurons... it's just attachment to a previous memory.

Still, I think 100% of us would rather be fucking a 23 year old hottie than a 55 year old who "used to be" a 23yo hottie

 

[StrayDog]

@OldGuy

 

[Will_V]

Any form of marriage if successful will eventually lead to you being with a woman who is 50+

Obviously you won't be sexually attracted to this 55yo woman.

So, why marry ? it seems ridiculously shortsighted. It's like buying a car and saying ok I'll never buy a new car not even in 30-40 years.

Even an OLTR open-marriage seems bad as well... sure you can fuck other young hot girls if you have game, but then you got this old broad waiting for you at home. Why in the fuck would that be more desirable than coming home to a dope mansion by yourself and just inviting a few young girls over for 3somes, then kicking them out when you want alone time ?

Is there something I'm missing or marriage is just for guys who are in scarcity and it's an "unspoken rule" around high status men that marriage is a losing proposition for the man ?

And men are just pressured by feminist societal narratives to marry - "look at him, such a good man".

I'm sure there are others but seems like Leo dicaprio is one of the few who can just keep fucking 20-25yo models and gets a pass for it (doesn't get shamed relentlessly/me-too'd like dan bilzerian or andrew tate).

Any other examples of men who live a lifestyle that's non-monogamous and somehow bypasses feminist attacks or gets away with it as "the guy who doesn't count" ?

JP said it best, as people get older they typically look more and more for a sense of meaning. Also, a person's sense of self is built upon memories, many of which are shared with others, which makes those other people valuable to us. The sexual drive is something that can be sublimated in many different ways.

That said, I don't think old men ever really lose their desire for young women, they simply tend to rearrange their reality so that they don't feel the lack. I know some old guys who aren't embarrassed to talk about women the same way a young guy does, it's clear they are just as hungry. I can't imagine losing my libido at any point.

In my opinion, the problem with this whole concept is the incorrect assumption that we are naturally supposed to have one woman, and that she has to be everything to us at the same time. I have a lot of admiration for older women who have real charm and elegance and social grace, but that doesn't mean I necessarily want to take them to bed. So why don't we have a head wife for queenly duties, and younger wives for fun? That's the way things used to be. Japanese wives who got older became managers and advisors with a lot of sway in the affairs of the household, and younger ones came in for sex and childbearing. That seems a lot more natural to me than what we have now, which is one woman where she's really sexually at her peak for only about 10 years and then your sex life is just supposed to go on life support for the majority of your lifetime.

I don't know if there's any way to pull that off in the modern western world anymore.

 

[topcat]

Just because friends are getting married, is a bad reason. Simple answer... get more friends and get younger friends with growth mindsets.




Am I wrong that these are just scarcity mindsets ?

Who says that you can't build assets AND have new girls every month. A girlfriend is more distracting/time-consuming than being single IME.

Yes, gaming consistently is time-consuming as well but I think it's more than balanced by the energy and social confidence/momentum that comes with overcoming AA, and succeeding with SNL etc... There are times where I've laid a new girl and the confidence it gives me directly leads into business success.. (ex: closing a big sale the day after). Not to mention that social momentum can be leveraged into networking quite efficiently... rich guys love to be connected with a guy who can get them laid with hot girls or at least make them think that they can...

Thinking that it's "too much energy" to get new girls just shows weakness of systems... as we get older our game systems should be better such that we get higher quality girls with less effort.

Again I think it's scarcity to assume that we won't have energy...

I 100% get why guys in scarcity who have poor game skills and low status would jump at the chance to wife a woman...

But, for a guy in abundance, high status, great game skills... I don't get this mindset that STILL "well one day ill have to hang it up and settle down" - this is just rooted in a scarcity mindset somewhere that we don't deserve to have our cake and eat it too.

I've been thinking about this regarding my own mindset recently... why do i feel like the game life is "too good to be true" and that I can't just have new girls every month for the rest of my life... when logically there is no reason that can't happen... so it must be more of an inner belief I have rooted due to societal conditioning...

Ay i’m not saying it’s the way it should be or the way I or you will follow. I just look around and It’s what i see happening.

To players and non players.

I don’t think it’s scarcity mentality necessarily. People’s priorities change.

For some wrinkles are worth the trade off.

 

[OldGuy]

I if you want to raise chidren you will need a partner (now two guys can adopt, but do you really want to be with a 55+ guy?). Besides, 55 year old women have all the advantages Ben Franklin said they do. (They don't bleed, don't breed, and if you've been having sex with them for 20+ years, you know just how to do them.)

 

[StrayDog]

Besides, 55 year old women have all the advantages Ben Franklin said they do. (They don't bleed, don't breed, and if you've been having sex with them for 20+ years, you know just how to do them.)

You really knew Ben Franklin? Man, you're old, OldGuy

 

[ChrisVirtue]

I if you want to raise chidren you will need a partner (now two guys can adopt, but do you really want to be with a 55+ guy?). Besides, 55 year old women have all the advantages Ben Franklin said they do. (They don't bleed, don't breed, and if you've been having sex with them for 20+ years, you know just how to do them.)

Every Woman Elon Musk Has Welcomed Kids With — And What They’ve Said About Their Blended Family

Elon Musk is the father of 14 kids with four different women. Here's what to know about the mothers of his children: Justine Wilson, Grimes, Shivon Zilis and Ashley St. Clair.

people.com

 

[ChrisVirtue]

Every Woman Elon Musk Has Welcomed Kids With — And What They’ve Said About Their Blended Family

Elon Musk is the father of 14 kids with four different women. Here's what to know about the mothers of his children: Justine Wilson, Grimes, Shivon Zilis and Ashley St. Clair.

people.com

Seems as though elon is one of those few men who runs multiple women kinda like @Will_V referenced

It seems complex to me how one would manage multiple children with multiple mothers.

Obviously at a baseline you would have to wealthy enough to support multiple of them (I am not, so need to solve money first lol.)

Let's say you've got enough money for this though... then would require a lot of frame control to get these women to go along with this. It seems like if you are wealthy enough though you could later get full custody through the courts.


Also, another thing I guarantee is going to become more popular in the coming 10-20 years is rich men having kids via surrogate with an egg donor. I know some women currently do this to become single moms and it's allowed. I think rich men will eventually do the same as they can realize they can have a legacy without the headache of being tied at the hip to an old woman.


This will largely be the pendulum of feminism swinging backwards. Feminists have long been saying "we don't need men". Of course, it's hilarious that the opposite is the real truth. The world is built and run by men, not women lol.

Not turning this into a red pill post, my point being is that if you're rich you could have children via surrogate and hire nannies to raise in the early years, and still have a very fulfilling fatherhood where you don't have to worry about the mother poisoning your boy's mind with feminism... you can teach your son game, business, and how not to get cucked just like you did !

Or, you can also just impregnate a bunch of women with proper LTR game and boundaries... this sounds super hard to me like it's above my current game skillset, but maybe one day i'll have a better perspective on it.

 

[KJ Francis]

 

[StrayDog]

now share the videos of this where the women are hot

 

[KJ Francis]

now share the videos of this where the women are hot

Exactly!!!

 

[StrayDog]

Just because friends are getting married, is a bad reason. Simple answer... get more friends and get younger friends with growth mindsets.




Am I wrong that these are just scarcity mindsets ?

Who says that you can't build assets AND have new girls every month. A girlfriend is more distracting/time-consuming than being single IME.

Yes, gaming consistently is time-consuming as well but I think it's more than balanced by the energy and social confidence/momentum that comes with overcoming AA, and succeeding with SNL etc... There are times where I've laid a new girl and the confidence it gives me directly leads into business success.. (ex: closing a big sale the day after). Not to mention that social momentum can be leveraged into networking quite efficiently... rich guys love to be connected with a guy who can get them laid with hot girls or at least make them think that they can...

Thinking that it's "too much energy" to get new girls just shows weakness of systems... as we get older our game systems should be better such that we get higher quality girls with less effort.

Again I think it's scarcity to assume that we won't have energy...

I 100% get why guys in scarcity who have poor game skills and low status would jump at the chance to wife a woman...

But, for a guy in abundance, high status, great game skills... I don't get this mindset that STILL "well one day ill have to hang it up and settle down" - this is just rooted in a scarcity mindset somewhere that we don't deserve to have our cake and eat it too.

I've been thinking about this regarding my own mindset recently... why do i feel like the game life is "too good to be true" and that I can't just have new girls every month for the rest of my life... when logically there is no reason that can't happen... so it must be more of an inner belief I have rooted due to societal conditioning...

I understand where you are coming from, but I do believe you are somewhat underestimating the effects that aging has on people, their priorities, their sense of self, how relationships function in their lives, who they associate with and why, and all that jazz.

 

[Chase]

@ChrisVirtue,

re: first link... interesting. I'd assume this is due to anchoring in the mind, as you saw her at her hottest and brain associated her with being desirable, and as she falls off the brain still maintains these neurons... it's just attachment to a previous memory.

Correct.

Read this Reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1q6z6d
Some choice excerpts:

I've known my wife for almost 20 years. We were friends in high school and dated on and off for years before we were married (13 years ago). We have 2 young children, and we have changed a lot in that time, both inside and outside.

When I look at her, I see the girl I first met in high school, the girl I daydreamed about on countless afternoons, I see woman that I traveled with across Europe, the woman who sat with me in an aisle on a train (no seats were left) as it traveled into Poland late late in the night. I see the woman who gave birth to our kids, I see the strength and stubbornness that got her through hours and hours of labor, I see the joy and worry on her face as we took them home. I see years of smiles and happiness, of love and life in every line on her face.

Imagine getting a new puppy. You can't imagine any animal in the world being better than this one. It's young, fun, cute, fresh, and loves you to bits. Now imagine you've been it's best friend for ten years, developed your own private code/language with it, developed habits and mutual rules of respect, learned your boundaries, taught each other tricks and nurtured each other through sickness and health, spent every night together snuggled up in bed.

Do you still care that it's not a puppy? No, because that's a novelty. Novelties wear off. You love it because it's your partner, it understands you, and you two are soul mates.

That's what it's like with a person, except that it goes deeper, and can last longer, because you share the same spoken and written languages and life expectancy.

I'm 49 and my wife is 47, does that count? We've been married for 19 years.

My wife is still very attractive to me. Sure, she's older, but so am I. Neither one of use is going to be winning any beauty pageants. I'm still very attracted to her physically, that has never changed. I was attracted to her when I first met her and I still am.

I think what happens over time is that you become attracted to the whole person, so my attraction to her is about her personality, her charm, her wit, her history, her talent, her toughness, etc. etc. The more I get to know her, the more good stuff I find to be attracted to.

Plus, she puts up with my crap, which seems like a miracle sometimes.

My wife and I met in college, and we've been together for almost 20 years. Here's my perspective.

First, I think she's as good look/better looking than when we met. A few grey hairs, a wrinkle here or there. But not a big deal. And those changes have happened so gradually that I've gotten used to them along the way. Maybe if college me met then and now wife back to back, he'd see a difference. I don't really.

Second, and way more important, this just isn't how people who have long-term relationships think. Young people place all this importance on looks, because that's all you have to go by. When I look at my wife, I think of our shared history together. All the meals together, the vacations, the things we've done and achieved, all the thousands of little stories that only we know. How I feel about her affects how I see her. How could 20 years of fun, friendship, and intimacy NOT make her better looking to me? But this is something that no 20-something can really fully understand. The only way you'll get it is when it happens to you. This, BTW, is true of a lot of things in life.

Basically, there's an End of History illusion around mate selection, where you as a mate-hunting bachelor assume you will still be in "active mate hunt mode" decades into a settled relationship and that this won't change:

We measured the personalities, values, and preferences of more than 19,000 people who ranged in age from 18 to 68 and asked them to report how much they had changed in the past decade and/or to predict how much they would change in the next decade. Young people, middle-aged people, and older people all believed they had changed a lot in the past but would change relatively little in the future. People, it seems, regard the present as a watershed moment at which they have finally become the person they will be for the rest of their lives. This “end of history illusion” had practical consequences, leading people to overpay for future opportunities to indulge their current preferences.

The best advice is "cross that bridge when you come to it", most likely because it won't be the bridge you think it'll be trying to scope it through your spyglass decades before you get there.

Chase

 

[StrayDog]

The best advice is "cross that bridge when you come to it", most likely because it won't be the bridge you think it'll be trying to scope it through your spyglass decades before you get there.

man, ain't that the truth bout pretty much everything