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Is It Possible to Be Super Clinical in Seduction?

David Adams

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Okay, right off the bat I am going to say that my personal answer is no.

Yes, of course we have guys like Alek Rolstad who just kills it with those low ratios but I am not exactly on his level. I have found that moving faster actually makes that fact much more clearer than when I was moving slower.

These days, I really like to push for a date or a meet up, especially with those phone numbers. I thought I was moving too fast and pushing girls away with my new method. Of course, I think my texting game can be brushed up but I think that the numbers game is also a very real thing.

I got two new numbers and started texting them last week. I was a bit forward but not too forward. It was just me making a bit of small talk and then suggesting that we meet up to get to know each other better. The first one was skittish at the idea of meeting up but she always acted flirty in person. After a few days I found that she blocked me. I asked her out twice on two seperate weeks.

The other one just went radio-silent. I feel like I made a blunder with the texting. It's just a feeling but I can't quite put my finger on what it was. I still think it's better than the trouble I was having in 2022.

You see, in 2022 I was having trouble converting girls from friends to sexual options. I would chat with them for a long period of time and then when I revealed my intentions or simply asked them out (sometimes even as just friends) then they would avoid that or even ignore it and try to bring other topics into the mix.

That sucked. I was putting in weeks for girls who felt weird when I just wanted to see them face to face. One girl told me that she had just took her ex back (I didn't keep up with their relationship much) and that if I had spoken sooner, maybe the outcome would have been different.

Long story short, she tried to keep me in her back pocket. She told me that we should just stick to being friends and practically begged me not to block her. I didn't care much. And also, she was not even that cute. A 7.5 if I have to follow my own criteria for girls.

So, my instincts are telling me that my numbers are just WAY too low. Cold-approach still feels too daunting for me and I can feel burnout coming on. I want to start night gaming soon. ASAP actually. Just gotta get my financial affairs sorted.

But social circle and night game seems to be a much easier hill to climb than day game. I have been at a night venue before and it is not half as terrifying. I get to use my favorite tactics and capitalize on my natural indirect game that seems to be a carbon copy of the game that Alek runs.

The entire article he wrote on indirect game just resonated with me and I simply nodded my head at all the points he made. I was already doing it but I was almost never at the venues or even out at night.

So, this is not actually a question now that I see what I wrote. This is just to make sure I am actually on the right track and that my intuition is still healthy after all the crap it has been fed for the last 3 years or so.

Pierre.
 
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It seems to me like your question is another variation of 'Can I avoid rejection?".

No, you can't. The better your skills, the fewer rejections you will get (or in your words, you will become more clinical), but you will never get to perfect.

The solution to your problem is to ACCEPT the reality of the situation, willingly accept the painful emotions, process them, learn from the experience and get better. What you are doing right now is engaging in fantasy. Engaging in fantasy will sooth your emotions in the current moment but it won't make you any better, and therefore it won't reduce the rate of rejection for you.
 

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The solution to your problem is to ACCEPT the reality of the situation, willingly accept the painful emotions, process them, learn from the experience and get better.
True. Rejection itself isn't even all that painful. I usually find it pretty easy to laugh and/or shrug it off.

What's hardest (for me) is getting over the FEAR of rejection. The emotion that comes before the approach itself. Especially if I'm not warmed up.
 

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@gameboy Try staying with this emotion. Let the scenario you are afraid of play out in your mind. Imagine being rejected, feel it, feel it more, feel it fully. You will see how the emotions is less and less intense. After a session like (which you should do at home), go out and see if something has changed.
 

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It seems to me like your question is another variation of 'Can I avoid rejection?".

No, you can't. The better your skills, the fewer rejections you will get (or in your words, you will become more clinical), but you will never get to perfect.

The solution to your problem is to ACCEPT the reality of the situation, willingly accept the painful emotions, process them, learn from the experience and get better. What you are doing right now is engaging in fantasy. Engaging in fantasy will sooth your emotions in the current moment but it won't make you any better, and therefore it won't reduce the rate of rejection for you.
Oh I know that I can't realistically avoid rejection. That is just impossible. I'm thinking of the type of clinical you get to when you dip your toes into a seduction but only go after it when you get a sufficient response. It's when rejections don't feel like rejections because it goes so fast. But that is not really something I came to see in day game. The rejections are there in your face. But no, of course I can't be 100% clinical. Super impossible lol
 

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True. Rejection itself isn't even all that painful. I usually find it pretty easy to laugh and/or shrug it off.

What's hardest (for me) is getting over the FEAR of rejection. The emotion that comes before the approach itself. Especially if I'm not warmed up.
Yeah I found that it's always being afraid after the first one. I did cold approach a while back and I always knew that after the first 2, I would just be red-hot looking for girls to approach no matter the situation. The only disheartening thing was that whenever I would get into that state, there would be no girls to approach anymore. The one snag of living in a suburban area, I guess.
 

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@gameboy Try staying with this emotion. Let the scenario you are afraid of play out in your mind. Imagine being rejected, feel it, feel it more, feel it fully. You will see how the emotions is less and less intense. After a session like (which you should do at home), go out and see if something has changed.
This is interesting actually. Also I approached a super-hot girl with blue eyes on Monday, I think. She was the hottest girl I have seen in a long while in this area and my body did not allow me to leave that library until I approached her. I was feeling really anxious and as I was waiting on her to finish her conversation with the security, I could feel my mind trying to talk me out of it when I had already committed myself to doing the approach. When the time came and I felt like I wanted to chicken out, I remember a tip that Hector gave on his 10 year anniversary video where he speaks about destroying AA. He mentions that you could just not think about it and tell yourself that you are just moving your feet (I was even looking at my feet while I did it and felt like I stepped out of a wheelchair for the first time lol) and making your way to the girl and once you are in front of her then you just talk. It worked and I spoke to her. It went like this:

Me: Hey you, look here. Can I tell you something?
Her: Okay?
Me: I want to leave but I can't leave until I tell you that.. (my smile starts appearing) I think you are one of the most gorgeous I have ever seen in a long time.
Her: (has a huge grin and says thank you giddily before walking on)


Just that right there was enough for me. I felt like a superhero. The first approach like that for me in years. And with the hottest girl in the entire vicinity. I could have gone on but at that moment it was not my goal. I just want to start speaking to girls again so I'm taking baby steps. Is that a good thing though? Feels like it for now.
 

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Sounds awesome! I've never opened with a direct compliment opener like that myself, I have to try it soon hehe.

Next time you might see you are able to stay in set a bit longer, ask her something, see if she's happy to chat with you...
 

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Sounds awesome! I've never opened with a direct compliment opener like that myself, I have to try it soon hehe.

Next time you might see you are able to stay in set a bit longer, ask her something, see if she's happy to chat with you...
Yeah I have done it quite a few times actually. It's not really my favourite way to open but I have to learn it if I am planning to do street stops soon. In the past, the girls would mostly reply by saying that they have a boyfriend or either by saying thank you and being on their way. Mostly the boyfriend thing but this girl did not do that. It's not actually that bad doing a direct compliment opener. It just takes some getting used to. Other than that I like the policeman stop as well.
 

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What's the policeman stop? I've seen it mentioned but not sure how it works exactly
 

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What's the policeman stop? I've seen it mentioned but not sure how it works exactly
I learned it here:
 
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