Is it realistic for a 5'4" man to do well with women?

[770]

I tried it a few times in college but I feel like a sore thumb sticking out as a 5'4" Asian guy.

I would definitely like to get good at night game, but I have heard that it would be significantly more difficult for my height.

 

[Tryst]

Yes.

But how about you go out and try instead of polluting the board with meaningless threads?

 

[770]

My first and only girlfriend of 3 yrs was an 8/10. Sister introduced me to her, she was already interested in me. Before we dated, I remember struggling to get dates with even below average looking girls.

I think my relationship skills were pretty solid for my age to keep her in spite of the hordes of guys hitting on her, but eventually she did leave me once she started a job and met a coworker. I wasn't super in love with her, but stayed due to scarcity.

Through out the relationship, I always wondered if I would have to start from scratch again, and how it would take forever to get a girl to eclipse her looks again. She didn't have the most interesting personality, but was pretty feminine and traditional, which is rare nowadays.

I mean in the US, as a 5'4" asian guy, I am worried about my lack of options, even with cold approaching I'm not sure it will be sufficient. Thinking about changing countries even though I was born here.

I am definitely confused about my attractiveness. Given my ex pretty much fell over immediately to be in a relationship with me... there's barely any pattern to a woman's beauty and her interest in me. I suppose by definition I'm in a niche market.

 

[James D]

Become very physically dominant and develop excellent frame control.

That's consistent with every single shorter guy I know who's good with girls.

 

[topcat]

I’m ~5’5 and I’ve achieved it. Not sure 1 inch makes much of a difference.

Going by the fact you even ask this question, your lack of confidence will be the real issue, not your height.

 

[Chase]

Become very physically dominant and develop excellent frame control.

That's consistent with every single shorter guy I know who's good with girls.

Same.

@770, see this article by my friend Jerome Wu, a 5.5" Asian guy in the US with a thick accent who I first met picking up tall white girls in Southern California nightclubs:

Dating as a Short Guy: What to Know and Do

Note from Chase: this is our second article from Jerome Wu, a friend of mine originally from China, who has been living in the United States (and sleeping with girls off of cold approach in nightclubs, the street, and the beach) for many years now. Three years ago, Jerome talked to us about...

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[alexlaguma]

I'm marginally taller and am 100+ lays, about 10 this year so far. Its possible.

 

[ChrisXKiss]

Become very physically dominant and develop excellent frame control.

That's consistent with every single shorter guy I know who's good with girls.

Same.

This makes me think how much it makes sense to go for that even if you are taller but meet taller women.

I mean, would you adjust your game to be more physical or under the radar somehow for a girl that is as tall or taller than you compared to one that is shorter?

I like tall girls and always wondered if there is something I should do differently with them. It feels that by first impression I generate less attraction with them than with shorter ones.

 

[topcat]

This makes me think how much it makes sense to go for that even if you are taller but meet taller women.

I mean, would you adjust your game to be more physical or under the radar somehow for a girl that is as tall or taller than you compared to one that is shorter?

I like tall girls and always wondered if there is something I should do differently with them. It feels that by first impression I generate less attraction with them than with shorter ones.

From my plethora of experience dating 6+ foot girls as a 5’5 man, it’s imperative to ramp up the dominance and frame control with them more so than one would with shorter girls as they don’t often get the opportunity to feel small (something they very much crave, and lack).

 

[ChrisXKiss]

From my plethora of experience dating 6+ foot girls as a 5’5 man, it’s imperative to ramp up the dominance and frame control with them more so than one would with shorter girls as they don’t often get the opportunity to feel small (something they very much crave, and lack).

Yeah I can see why it would work.

How do you begin with it though? I mean do you really have to go under the radar as the article says and very indirect?

Because I don’t understand exactly how you ramp up the dominance a lot if the girl is not very keen initially to comply to your dominance due to your height difference.

 

[Atlas IV]

Same.

@770, see this article by my friend Jerome Wu, a 5.5" Asian guy in the US with a thick accent who I first met picking up tall white girls in Southern California nightclubs:

Dating as a Short Guy: What to Know and Do

Note from Chase: this is our second article from Jerome Wu, a friend of mine originally from China, who has been living in the United States (and sleeping with girls off of cold approach in nightclubs, the street, and the beach) for many years now. Three years ago, Jerome talked to us about...

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Chase

Super interesting article. Especially the part about the short ugly lesbian picking up a heterosexual hired gun.

On that note, I've seen some ugly short lesbians with some really stunning girlfriends. They always have a very dominant and aggressive vibe - even more dominant than most men. Everything about them communicates "this is my girl, you stay away from her".

How fascinating it would be to sit down for a chat with one of these short ugly lesbians and discuss the nuances of game

 

[topcat]

Yeah I can see why it would work.

How do you begin with it though? I mean do you really have to go under the radar as the article says and very indirect?

Because I don’t understand exactly how you ramp up the dominance a lot if the girl is not very keen initially to comply to your dominance due to your height difference.

If a girl won’t comply then she won’t be your girl.

The whole dominant and maintain frame bit comes once you’re actually fucking them and/or have them in a relationship. With regards to seducing them, as with all girls calibrate to what they need to sleep with you I guess.

Why do you assume their lack of compliance is due to your height and not about how you feel about your height in respect to theirs? I’d assume your telegraphing some discomfort they’re picking up on (correct me if I’m wrong).

Nearly every girl I’ve fucked is taller than me or my height pretty much so I haven’t noticed a difference in how I’d seduce shorter girls vs taller. I seduce the same and calibrate to their behaviour in set.

 

[ChrisXKiss]

Why do you assume their lack of compliance is due to your height and not about how you feel about your height in respect to theirs? I’d assume your telegraphing some discomfort they’re picking up on (correct me if I’m wrong).

I wouldn’t say I telegraph discomfort, if anything I am more excited when I spot a taller girl, because I know she is more my type of girl.

It could be that this excitement is telegraphed subtly coming off as neediness? Can’t say for sure, but I don’t generally change my approach due to height practically.

If it is daygame for example I will start with a direct compliment and go from there.

I just know that I get numbers and dates way more from shorter than same height / taller girls. Part of it is because most girls are shorter too, but it’s not like I don’t approach the taller ones.

The whole dominant and maintain frame bit comes once you’re actually fucking them and/or have them in a relationship.

And yeah I feel I would do ok at this. I mean the reason I like them is because it excites me to be dominant to a girl bigger than me. If I eventually got with her I would love to treat her as a little girl.

 

[770]

I’m ~5’5 and I’ve achieved it. Not sure 1 inch makes much of a difference.

Going by the fact you even ask this question, your lack of confidence will be the real issue, not your height.

Is there anything else in addition to frame control and dominance that you would attribute to your success that you can share, anything you tweaked due to being shorter? Or is it just generally good game following the basic principles shared in the community?

Thank you

 

[770]

Same.

@770, see this article by my friend Jerome Wu, a 5.5" Asian guy in the US with a thick accent who I first met picking up tall white girls in Southern California nightclubs:

Dating as a Short Guy: What to Know and Do

Note from Chase: this is our second article from Jerome Wu, a friend of mine originally from China, who has been living in the United States (and sleeping with girls off of cold approach in nightclubs, the street, and the beach) for many years now. Three years ago, Jerome talked to us about...

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Chase

When he says we should fly under the radar, does Jerome mean to open very indirectly, and then transition to a very strong impression once she becomes comfortable with the interaction? Or befriend her over a longer period of time?

 

[topcat]

Is there anything else in addition to frame control and dominance that you would attribute to your success that you can share, anything you tweaked due to being shorter? Or is it just generally good game following the basic principles shared in the community?

Thank you

I’ve never seen being short as a hindrance and refuse to accept that it is. 168 lays proves that. I honestly don’t even see myself as short, and never have..some people are just big.

Height is relative. Women seek height as a proxy for dominance and safety. Often tall men they meet and get involved with offer them anything but. Give her what she truly needs.

Attraction can’t be negotiated. Make a woman feel seen, attract her and you may find when you’re in bed with her after a night of orgasms, she asks you your height only to refute your answer and try to convince you you’re some 3 or more inches taller

Girls don’t care about your height. They care about how they feel around you. Guess how being self conscious about your height makes them feel?

Something else I want to add is that dating tall women as a short man and not caring amplifies your perceived dominance relative to the world, and especially in her eyes. Just by dating tall women and being confident about it you appear magnitudes more confident than men that date shorter women. Do it and you’ll see how taller men respond to you with an air of respect and envy, and how women look at you with noticeable curiosity.

Be full of yourself man. Wtf does your height have to do with anything?

 

[KnownUniverse]

question: Why do so many guys obsess over height when all the world’s famous sex symbols tend to be under 6ft? I’m currently seeing a lot of this Pedro pascal dude on social media and a quick google search says he’s 5.11’. Tom Hardy—5.9’.

I’m willing to be if you google every male sex symbol in Hollywood majority of them are under 6ft. How do all those unintelligent incels explain that?

 

[topcat]

question: Why do so many guys obsess over height when all the world’s famous sex symbols tend to be under 6ft? I’m currently seeing a lot of this Pedro pascal dude on social media and a quick google search says he’s 5.11’. Tom Hardy—5.9’.

I’m willing to be if you google every male sex symbol in Hollywood majority of them are under 6ft. How do all those unintelligent incels explain that?

There’s some weird phenomenon where men project what find attractive in other men onto women. Admiration is probably a better way to define it than attraction.

So muscles, height, square jaw, overt wealth, loud dominant behaviour, huge dick. Stereotypical indicators of masculinity.

It’s never active listening, or good touch, or engaging conversation, or multiple orgasms. Or quality time. Or meaningful, focused attention. Things women actually care about.

 

[Chase]

@770,

When he says we should fly under the radar, does Jerome mean to open very indirectly, and then transition to a very strong impression once she becomes comfortable with the interaction? Or befriend her over a longer period of time?

Jerome opens indirect.

His basic vibe is almost like he is just a social guy who is teasing the girl in a "disinterested social guy" way.

At the same time he is getting her to invest, arousing her, etc. All under the frame of "just part of being a social guy."

HIs approach, at least initially, has a fair bit in common with the Tao of Steve:

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[Chase]

@KnownUniverse,

question: Why do so many guys obsess over height when all the world’s famous sex symbols tend to be under 6ft? I’m currently seeing a lot of this Pedro pascal dude on social media and a quick google search says he’s 5.11’. Tom Hardy—5.9’.

I’m willing to be if you google every male sex symbol in Hollywood majority of them are under 6ft. How do all those unintelligent incels explain that?

A lot of guys also obsess over looks when the world's most famous sex symbols largely date and marry mids:

How to Disprove the "Looks Are the Pillar of Attraction" Ideology

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Insecurities and obsessions are never 'rational'.

Insecurity is about "I'm not getting what I want. I'm not even sure I CAN get it. Why might that be? Well, what's the biggest difference I can see between myself and others?" Whatever the biggest visible difference is, the guy assumes it is that and fixates on it. Then he obsesses over it. The obsession, through heavy mental investment, builds up into a certainty, and he convinces himself that is it, and anyone telling him differently is just ignorant / does not understand his situation.

The art of seduction and socialization is hidden from them, because it is outside their life experience, so that doesn't even merit a blip on their radars -- even though that is almost always the factor most to blame for their lack of success.

Thus why we don't let architects diagnose emergency room patients; ER doctors inspect crumbling houses...!

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