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Drck

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First of all, I don't read articles like this. They are boring to me and there is nothing to learn from it. The title says it all, and he text follows.... There are millions sites and blogs like that. Somebody likes Dr. Phill, someone else likes Oprah, others like ROK or GC.

With that being said, I don't really defend anyone. The author points out sexual frustration of that guy. That is a REAL thing. I'll comment on some text from that article though:

"it’s up to us ROK truth sayers to repeat ad nauseum such observations: women’s selfishness makes men kill."
>>>> Purely stupid conclusion.

"What do I mean by women’s selfishness? The majority of women are consistently sexual only with a minority of men"
>>>> This is true, most guys (I like to call them Nice Guys) don't get laid so easily. Only small number of guys get laid consistently, I have no idea what is the real number but I'm thinking less than 20%, maybe even 10%.

"Life without sex is a horrible experience, especially when you’re a young man."
>>>> Also true, a lot of young men are frustrated, and thats a reason why sites like this exist, simply to share the observation and experience.

"My unfulfilled sex drive made me jack off on average three times a day—four or more on gym days when I upped my testosterone level."
>>>> should I comment? How many times per week do you jerk off?

"Karl had no chance to ever be with her and he knew it. And that’s why he encountered her in his school, armed with a gun, he turned it against her."
>>>> Honestly, I don't really think its simple like this, and thats the main reason why I don't read articles like this. There is no depth into it

"Women whose level of physical looks give them no right to be picky are allowed to chase after the upper tiers of men with no shame while men who are just as, or perhaps even a little more, attractive then themselves are forced to remain virgins into their twenties and are forced to wait until women’s looks begin to fade around the age of twenty-six before being given the chance to enter into a relationship with them. "
>>>> Yes and no. Pretty Women are picky because most men chase them. They simply have many choices. Once woman's looks begin to fade (and once she has some "fun", with usually so called Alpha male, guy that belongs to those 20%), thats when she looks to saddle down. Its usually before or around age 30, and she will (usually) chose the Nice Guy, the one that belongs to those 80%.

"What future did Karl have to look forward to? Working a mediocre job (if he could even get one), living in a society that does not look out for him or his interests in the slightest (while often ridiculing the people like him in the media – when not actively selling out his future) and having to wait until he was twenty-five or older before being able to enter into a sexually satisfying relationship with a woman on par with his looks (who would be incapable of actually loving him by that point due to her dozens of sexual partners)?"
>>>> here I agree, very frustrating for many young guys.

The next paragraphs are just self pity, blaming girls for the fact that he can't get blow job. Obviously, can't agree, it is nobody else's fault if you can't get laid but your own.



Second Link:
The article talks about eating disorder. The guy points out that there are many Fat girls, and if a girl has the disorder she at least keeps skinny. So you can chose between unhealthy but skinny, and "healthy" but fat. The skinny one cost less money, should you chose to pay for her meals. The girl with disorder is fragile and vulnerable, she needs approval. That is true, its much easier to get girl like that rather than focusing on overconfident bombshell who will be constantly flaking on you. From stand point of a guy who wants to get laid (instead of holding her hand and feeling sorry for her disorder), it is just an observation, strategy to get laid. It is of course immature behavior, but the guy gets laid.

Again, just another stupid article, and there is a reason why I don't read it. But there are some true observations that you can't dispute. You can feel sorry for her having an eating disorder, you can laugh at it and use it as a seduction strategy, or you can just shrug shoulders and walk away from it.

It all depends on what you want. If you want to hold that pretty girl's hand and feel sorry for her eating problems, the chances that you don't get laid are very high. You'll end up being rejected and frustrated young man who jerks off many times per week and who gets bitter at everyone who can't help. On the other hand, if you use more Asshole-like approach, little tweaking, if you stop feeling sorry for that girl - you will increase your chances getting laid multiple times, and you might be happy for simple advice, because it simply helps you to get laid.

And thats the whole point of sites like ROK and GC. ROK is more simple, Asshole-like approach whereas GC is more cultivated, more civilized/advanced - but at the same time it requires much more work, e.g. Becoming a lover is not easy task, it takes years to adjust behavior and change habits. Where both styles overlap is principles, e.g. Both know the fact that only small number of guys get laid whereas the others gets easily frustrated, bitter...
 

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Dude I think what truthtomasses is trying to say isn't that he opposes ROK's asshole game approach, it's just that he feels they are fraudulent as opposed to being truthful and I can see that. At first I enjoyed posts by Return Of Kings too but after reading up a bit on the guy that started it, I had my doubts but after a while I started seeing the site for what it is. ROK is more along the lines of PUAhate, a site where you can read uncensored and provocative material as opposed to a site like Girlschase which strictly focuses on self-improvement. I admire the stance that Return Of Kings has taken on gender issues and politics involving gender relations but I would not go there for any real self-improvement advice. You can't help but notice how misguided and delusional a lot of the writers there are, sometimes it is just a race to put up as many articles as possible to attract page views.
 
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Well, I wouldn't necessary go to ROK to seek self-improvement, that is true. I don't read every article there either for the reason I mentioned - there is no depth to it, rather just simple, superficial. There are some good articles though, for example "What It's Like To Date A Strong And Independent Woman", I could probably agree with 90% of that article, if not more.

But that is exactly the difference I'm talking about. GC style is focused a lot on self-improvement. You attempt to "model" yourself to a great seducer, a guy who can nail lots of pretty girls. This requires a lot of work, developing new beliefs and habits, lots of effort. You learn how to text, how to approach, what to say, what to wear, how to behave, how to look, how to say words and so on.

ROK style (well, to be precise I don't mean exactly ROK, but rather asshole-like approach in general) is little bit different, it simply says: Oh fuck it. I'm going to lift weights, that is my self-improvement. I'm not doing a damn thing for her, all I want is to nail her. I'll learn some game And he goes out and just talks to women, he pushes for sex, and if he is 'hungry' enough he gets the girl to the bed relatively easily. The 'hungry' is a keyword, because the more hungry you are the better outcome you will have, perhaps without any sophisticated seduction skills.

Again, it is not just black and white between ROK and GC, but ROK can be quite effective with lesser effort. To compare it to martial arts, it is probably the same argument that two guys weighing 170 pounds each and practicing martial arts for 5 years are having: What is better, Karate or Jiu-Jitsu? Well, it just all depends. And then comes a guy who is 240 pounds, who never practiced martial arts but is only lifting heavy weights. He then beats both of them at the same time, just because he is much stronger... He is stronger, but is he really much better in Martial Arts than those two other guys?
 
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