Is the reward great enough to get good with girls?

[Jensen]

I think for most people that come to these boards the rewards are having a girl to hang with; maybe some just want the freedom. For most though, its definitely having a girl in your arms. I might be bitter but all the experiences I have had, I just can't imagine it is that great. Mom treats my hardworking father like shit, then has an affair behind his back while he is busting his ass trying to put a humbling amount of food on the table. Then when she knows she can be supported elsewhere by the other man divorces him and takes over 50 percent of what he worked for. Shit, I will even admit "father like son" I got played for fool too by a girl when I was vulnerable.
Been starting to read something called the red pill on reddit, go onto other boards like RooshV. Find out there is something that women have called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy. I don't think I have seen anyone talk about this on this board, and the stories they have on those boards of what girls do to men, man I think I am starting to turn sexist because of it.
I just want to know any guys here actually have great girlfriends. Like not great just because she hasn't cheated on you but because she has your back. Anyone got stories where she actually turned shit situation into something good and you looked at her like" damn I would have been in trouble if it weren't for you". I guess I am just looking for motivation to start on the books and articles Chase has, but what is the point when all you can think about is how it opens up many more problems for you later on than what it is worth?
Are women just weak-minded children that turn on you the second you lose your step like the redpill tries to show you or are they people you can rely on?

 

[Smith]

Hey Drexel,

But I would not commit myself and my exclusive love and body to the kind of woman I encounter on a regular basis. Frankly, they don't deserve the commitment they are demanding because more often than not it is a one-sided relationship where the man is the perpetual giver and the woman is the perpetual taker. Hell half of them brag about how unfeminine they are and how they can't cook and won't stop cursing, etc.

So to make my long answer very brief, I would say it is worth it. The journey won't be what you think it is, but freedom is on the other side.

Roosh has the kind of jadedness that comes with staring too long into the abyss, but he is doing men a great service and I occasionally contribute to his site Return Of Kings.

Is it possible to not get jaded from knowing what's really going on behind the scene? Sometimes I found it hard to swallow the truth, especially when you meet someone who you think might be different, but then it turns out she's not so different at all and it's disheartening. Sometimes I look at other people's relationship and wonder how they could last 10 years? How do you still love women after seeing and knowing what you know? Right now, I'm trying to accept it for what it is..

Cheers
Smith

 

[Lord Byron]

Drexel,

The two women who come to mind for you: what about them separated themselves enough from the pack of women you wouldn't place into that category of good women? Also, how does one go about noticing what that looks like when there are far and few between?

 

[Orelfius]

Well, about the infamous "Red Pill"… I prefer that quote:

"Life is like an embroidery, in the first half, you look at the pretty side, but in the second half of life, you look the other side… its less pretty, but you can see how it's done, how its work".

I think it's from Schoppenhauer.

But to make a long story short: yes, there's a truth hard to swallow in your process of growing as a human being and it's not fun at all. You have to realize that other peoples aren't there to fulfill your needs, they don't belong to you. It sound childish said like that, but it suck when you get it. It suck big time.

And for women… well, they are living being and, just like you, me, bees or deers, they will do whatever they need to do to stay alive and reproduce. Always, all the time, no exception.

Of course, each creature choose a different strategy to accomplish that. But you have to accept that if for any reason a woman believe she had a better survival or reproducing chance by leaving you, she will. And social status count as a survival tool, just like money. So yes, women consider a LOT these things. It matter a lot for them.

And what about gratitude? Gratitude is a tool to connect with people. It's usefulness is linked to the usefulness of the person toward you feel that gratitude. Sad but true, gratitude is something felt toward people that are still our best option. It something, present, active, linked to what people do for us. It's not something that we feel for a "long past of good record". When people become useless, the feeling of gratitude fade away.

Ahh...The sad truth that people aren't there to fulfill your needs. When it come to women and relationship, it manifest itself i the form of having to accept this: you have to stay interesting an attractive forever, always, it's never ever a "done thing". Your good track record worth shit. A good deed worth something WHEN YOU DO IT, but it's not an investment for the future.

There's no such things as compound interest when it come to emotions.

But once it internalized, after the screaming/tears/frustration… well, it's not that bad at all. You just have to realized that comfort is the strong pout of a woman life: they are well equipped to get that. Meanwhile, as a man, you're well-equiped for freedom and also a potential for greatness (though many won't ever use it).

Now about the kid of relationship you ca have with any given woman. It could be cool or not. Women have their "red pill" to swallow too. The things is: as a man you hit the wall at the end of your teenage years, while women hit the wall at the end of their twenies. And since the principe of energy saving is important to survival for a living being, we only start to work on changing ourselves when it cease to work well for us, when we hit the wall.

That's why, almost all young women will to be THAT interesting to interact with: their charms serve them well to "get away with it" just too easily to force them to change (though some of them could have it their wall for different reason through life experience).

But when I talk to older women, single mom well in their thirties or forties, they are much different. Their expectations have change, their sense of what they have to provide in the relationship have changed, etc.

 

[Captain CornontheCob]

Never as bad as it seems. For your story question, well one of my former girlfriends and I were at Bank of America. They owed me a sum of money and were trying to give me the run-around. I couldn't talk into them giving me what they owed.Truthfully, I was lost but my girl was right there. She took two seats and put them in the middle of the room and said we should sit there until they change their mind. Did not see anything to lose so why not, other clients would look at us, ask, and we would tell them whats up. Well surprise, 35 minutes later they get our attention, a new guy comes out and tells us he will help. What the fuck, why not help me before? Would not of got that money if it weren't for her.

Anyway, thats just 2 months ago and I can think of many other times one of my girls had my back. Another time when a friend and I decided we were going to be "The tenacious D's of our time" at a party. Yea I'll admit we were drunk, we got our guitar stolen but later learned from a friend that my girl slammed the drunk like Triple H at No Way Out and got it back for us. I mean I could go on and on about these kinds of things from girlfriends to mothers to sisters to daughters to friends.

You can definitely rely on women from time to time; just like you can from men. It is never as bad as it seems. Before I found these boards I found Rooshv and the redpill subreddit and they definitely go ham on trying to find things to rationalize their bitterness towards women. They only show you one side, just like feminists try to show you only one side of men. They talk to you about wars that men started and violence and rape that starts because of men. They never talk to about the men who fight against that . They look at the top echelons of men and say all men have privilege but never consider that the bottom of society makes up a majority of men(homeless, suicidal, prisoners, men forced into being wage slaves). Just like the feminists never talk about a guy like Jonas Salk who gave up a huge part of his life to create a vaccine for polio and when could of made millions by patenting it. He refused so it would not be as expensive for families to get and millions of lives were saved because of it. It would not make them appear as close to relevant if they did. Same thing for redpill, you will never find a story like
this on there. Both groups bitter over the opposite sex not giving them what they want trying to tell them what to do instead of finding out what they value ,so they can get what they want.

How women react to you in life is a reflection of you as a man. That is all there is to it. Most men can't inspire women to help out or give value to them. There are a few who can, Chase is one of them. In one of his articles he even talks about girlfriends he had where their previous boyfriends would dote on them and they would not lift a finger in return. With Chase it was a completely different story, the tables were turned and Chase had trouble finding time to reciprocate half of the stuff they did for him. They are the attractive ,powerful(not specifically fame or fortune but how you carry yourself) men who women dream of and when they have a chance of a life with them they are turned off of autopilot and realize this is the real deal and that it is time to do their best. The normal guys though ,yea; they don't get quite the same treatment or inspire the same respect and loyalty. Good thing is the articles and this board teaches you hot to be the former guy. It is hard to see how it could be when you yourself has experienced the nastier side of women but it doesn't have to be like that. Turn yourself into a great man, learn how to screen to stay away from the bad women, and the great girlfriends will follow.

 

[Jensen]

Thanks for the wealth of responses guys. Definitely gives me something to think over. So Drexel, you advocate for what redpill teaches. Orefilus seems to be on the same page too. Captain C you say it is not the whole truth or maybe even a smidge of it what the redpill teaches and there is a more optimistic view to hold. Also like the stories you had.

I just hope its not like how I see it right now. I just don't understand how a girl can act and do things so completely different for one guy and not for others I guess.

 

[Big Daddy]

I just don't understand how a girl can act and do things so completely different for one guy and not for others I guess.

Why? I think we all do this.

 

[Orelfius]

Thanks for the wealth of responses guys. Definitely gives me something to think over. So Drexel, you advocate for what redpill teaches. Orefilus seems to be on the same page too. Captain C you say it is not the whole truth or maybe even a smidge of it what the redpill teaches and there is a more optimistic view to hold. Also like the stories you had.

Well, I'm not advocating the bitter vision of the Manosphere though. But yes, growing up involve "waking up", "seeing the world differently", etc. Taking the Red Pill is just an allegory for that.

The main idea is: We are born narcissist, all of us: we are not equipped to make the difference between us ad others, so we don'T have boundaries. That lead to frustration every time stuff don't goes our ways. Because subconsciously, it's like having your hand refusing to do what you want it to do.

Growing up mean to internalize that idea that "people gonna do what they wanna do. Period." In other words: They are a different person than us, there is boundaries between us and them… and we have to accept that and find other means to fulfill our needs to be happy.

Of course we all know that intellectually… but not emotionally, the idea isn't internalized and that create a lot of cognitive dissonance within us. It's when we start to internalize it emotionally that things become easier and easier to accept and life become happier. In fact, what mostly happen is that you are free, very, very free: people"s contribution doesn'T really matter anymore to your life, so you don't care to please them anymore… not really.

 

[GeneralFap]

The true nature of women is pretty appalling.

 

[Teparus]

I eat meat every day of my life -- I personally pay for the service of having animals raised in horrible, disease-ridden, cramped, miserable conditions and then slaughtered having never experienced the better part of their existences. I personally support the conditions necessary for entire existences more or less completely consisting of suffering to be perpetuated.

It sparingly bothers me. Why? I could come up with a bunch of rationalizations. The real reason is that I have the power, I am never confronted with the consequences of my actions, and there aren't many good alternatives out there.

It's similar to young women in our culture today. I don't blame them. I get what it's like to be able to do something callous on a casual basis because it's an effective coping mechanism. Nevertheless, I enjoy women -- because despite their "horrible true natures" *coughbullshitcough*, they are wonderful, or at least have the potential to be. Femininity is such a great source of succor. It may be that I happen to encounter or bring out that aspect in women more than most, but most of my experiences with women have lead me to appreciate their in-the-moment nature (in contrast with my own, very plodding, driven, logical nature), their powerful emotions in contrast to mine, their prettiness, and lots of other small things.

I don't love them the way I love, say, my cousin, who is also one of my best friends and who I admire because of his powerful and upstanding character. I love them the way I might love a healthy meal, a beautiful scene in nature, or a good story.

We can gripe about how it isn't always that way all we want, or we can become the kind of men that inspire women to the heights of their femininity. I know what I'm going to do, personally.

 

[ray_zorse]

Hmmm. I've been burnt a few times but overall my experience with women has been quite positive. I must say though that you need to understand female attraction properly and do the right things like leading, pushing through resistance to sex, being non needy, rewarding her investment etc, but if you do all this consistently she will be astonishingly loyal, why? Well women have abundance but they don't have ABSOLUTE abundance. So if you're the sexy dominant guy in their life they will do their best to make you happy, seems obvious right? How she goes about it is another matter, no doubt there are plenty of trashy, entitled, selfish women out there for whom the idea of caring for and pleasing their man would be so foreign they'd have no idea what to do, but I've never been in a relationship with one. Times I've been mistreated by women, in hindsight I can pinpoint to poor relationship management. I guess you get out what you put in. My overall impression is that women in general have very sweet, kind, intuitive, gentle, submissive and caring natures, more so Asian women perhaps (I mainly date Asian women) but I cannot imagine the average woman being so different. I do believe that society gives women a lot of power they shouldn't have and can't wield judiciously (liked the beef analogy too).
Ray

 

[Chase]

Since I’m being invoked:

I’m predominantly in Asia these days (spent some nice times in Southern and Eastern Europe this year as well, and will probably spend a good bit more time there in the future; I’ll be back in the States again for a while in a few weeks), however articles like this:

Most Important Thing to Becoming a Lover of Women? Don't Be Bitter.

… are about all women, for all men, first and foremost. Most of the times I’ve been “burned” by women happened early on for me in America, though not always at the hands of American women (the girl in the “don’t be bitter” article was from the Caribbean – she ditched me for an Indian-American guy, for all those brown guys on here who consider themselves disadvantaged for it).

One of the funny things you notice as you travel is that most (the majority?) of the men in every country, be it England or Turkey or Nigeria or Korea or America, say the same darn things about their women:

• “They’re selfish”
• “They’re entitled”
• “They just want the Bigger Better Deal”

They’re ALL the same.

American men think they’re special and their problems unique because the Internet is an American echo chamber. They hear guys from the U.K. or Australia chime in with, “Yeah, us too!” and they say, “See! It’s spreading!” as if this is some new thing shooting out of America like the tendrils of Japanese outré porn.

It’s just women. Aristotle and Solomon were talking about these same things millennia ago.

(likewise, women worldwide complain about their men being controlling, or weak, or stingy, or stupid, in every country – same complaints everywhere. In this case, it’s just men, and men have been the same throughout history as well)

Women treat you a bit nicer at first when you travel if you’re going from a higher competition region/country to a lower competition one, so definitely, on average I have more pleasant initial interactions with women in Asia and Eastern Europe than I do in the States. But I have had plenty of ugly quick interactions with women in these places, like the Chinese girl who threw me under the bus in a nightclub to elevate her status to the wealthy Chinese businessmen she was really going for, or the Bulgarian girl who acted like I was a plague victim when I honestly just needed directions to where I was trying to get to, and plenty of sparkling ones in the States, like the gorgeous girl I met in LA who chased me halfway around the world or the chipper, beautiful All-American blonde I met at a bar with Colt who was quite forward in a super sweet way (though I dropped the ball – not on point that night and left at the wrong moment. Probably my biggest recent “Gah!” experience).

Every time I read manosphere / red pill websites when I haven’t been in the U.S. for a while (I’m in America a month or two each year just about), I start thinking, “Man, American women have gotten HORRIBLE!”

Then I go back to the States, and find that, much to my surprise, it is not filled with malevolent land whales, but instead there are plenty of beautiful, friendly women in places like Los Angeles and Denver, and the stuff I was reading online was not an objective recounting of life in America, but rather the subjective experiences of a handful of self-selected men (all the guys I know in America who love American women stay far clear of red pill / manosphere sites – those places are chockfull of scorned, bitter, mad-at-the-world men, sadly). Then again, if I had to spend a lot of time in St. Louis I might actually start buying the red pill’s message. Anyway…

For sexually and romantically experienced men, the thing I’ve noticed that always corresponds with hostility toward women comes down to this: predominantly meeting and sleeping with / dating women from these four channels:

• Hookers / prostitutes
• Club girls / party girls / nighttime venues
• Drunks and drug abusers (usually just a subsection of club girls)
• Online dating

These places are the den of inequity when it comes to the caliber of women you’re going to meet. Are there some diamonds in the rough? Sure. Do they turn out to be cubic zirconium on closer inspection? Usually.

I had a buddy a few years back who met women almost exclusively through day game, and he loved women and had all these positive things to say about them. And then he got into hookers and gradually turned into a bitter old man over the course of about a year, picking up hookers in hooker bars and complaining about how the hottest hookers didn’t need money because they had so many sponsors and now only hooked up with super good-looking guys and he couldn’t compete. He started saying all women are the same and all they want is looks and money. Then he stopped mongering, took a girlfriend for a while, and eventually went back to day game, and now he’s back to normal again. Hookers + meeting hookers in nightclubs was a deadly combination for his emotions towards women.

Be mindful of this stuff. Clubs / online / hookers are okay in small doses, but these places are host to the most ruthless, selfish, and quite often broken variety of people, wrapped up in shiny veneers. If you spend too much time around them, you can start to think everyone is like them, and a world full of club girls and online dating girls is not one I know I’d care to inhabit (unless I was really horny

Chase

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Then again, if I had to spend a lot of time in St. Louis I might actually start buying the red pill’s message. Anyway

Hahahaha, I'm dying

I think for most people that come to these boards the rewards are having a girl to hang with; maybe some just want the freedom. For most though, its definitely having a girl in your arms. I might be bitter but all the experiences I have had, I just can't imagine it is that great. Mom treats my hardworking father like shit, then has an affair behind his back while he is busting his ass trying to put a humbling amount of food on the table. Then when she knows she can be supported elsewhere by the other man divorces him and takes over 50 percent of what he worked for. Shit, I will even admit "father like son" I got played for fool too by a girl when I was vulnerable.
Been starting to read something called the red pill on reddit, go onto other boards like RooshV. Find out there is something that women have called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy. I don't think I have seen anyone talk about this on this board, and the stories they have on those boards of what girls do to men, man I think I am starting to turn sexist because of it.
I just want to know any guys here actually have great girlfriends. Like not great just because she hasn't cheated on you but because she has your back. Anyone got stories where she actually turned shit situation into something good and you looked at her like" damn I would have been in trouble if it weren't for you". I guess I am just looking for motivation to start on the books and articles Chase has, but what is the point when all you can think about is how it opens up many more problems for you later on than what it is worth?
Are women just weak-minded children that turn on you the second you lose your step like the redpill tries to show you or are they people you can rely on?

I've found that most guys who are bitter about women are committing a huge error in their thinking -

They expect too much.

At what point did we get this entitlement that we deserve anything? I believe that this universe is the most perfect universe possible - we get the world we wrought. But make no mistake, the laws of reality are merciless.

And what are the laws of women?

Women crave submission, but they won't submit to weakness. They literally can't. It goes against the nature and would mean sacrificing their goals for yours. Guys who want ever-faithful women who forgive every moment of weakness are delusional, narcissistic, and childish. Yet those same men call women delusional, narcissistic, and childish. Once you understand what women really want (dominance, sexiness, edge, warmth, etc), you realize that the men who whine and moan about women are espousing the following philosophy

"Women want strong, sexy men? Well, too bad, I want women to love me unconditionally, forgive my weakness, and submit to my every whim, even if I'm not strong and sexy."

Flip the script and you see who the selfish ones are.

I fell for the "Western women suck!" mentality for a little bit when I found the seduction community and the manosphere, but I NEVER had that mentality when I was a pure natural. Never. I always took full responsibility for my success with women. Then I went to the Amazon of Peru and saw that women acted the same exact way they do in America and regained my old paradigm. They treated their pussy husbands like shit and chased powerful cock. It's not Western culture - it's female nature. It won't change, no matter how many threads you start.

Here's an example so you can empathize with women: a friend of yours texts you and wants to hangout. He's an okay guy and you enjoy his company, but you could spend your time more wisely. You don't hate him or think he's worthless, you'd just rather do something else. But then your charismatic, successful, and smooth best friend hits you up and wants to hangout - of course!

Okay friend = you when you have shitty fundamentals, can't get past small talk, and are afraid to hold eye contact with hot women

Cool friend = you when you walk with swag, can get a girl spilling her life story in 5 minutes, and love staring at women as they get nervous around you.

That's just how it is. When you're hot, women cancel plans, abandon their normal dating protocol, and make all sorts of exceptions. When you're lame, well, you're just not on their radar.

If you don't like it, go gay. And I'm not being harsh to shit on your dreams, I'm doing it for your benefit. Once you start being honest with yourself, relentlessly dismissing all whining and bitchiness, you begin feeling powerful, because you know you're on the path of strength. I'm still on that path, and even though I falter sometimes, I always try to remind myself of the honest, beautiful truth.

I'm just tryna grow up old and rich
Maybe get married to a local bitch
I be, I be, I be over shit
The world don't give a fuck about your loneliness
I'm just tryna grow up old and rich
The world don't give a fuck about your loneliness
I be, I be, I be over shit
The world don't give a fuck about your loneliness

Mac Miller, "Rush Hour"

Be strong. Quit whining. Get money, get pussy, and get wisdom.

- Hector

 

[Rusty]

For a moment I thought I was the one going crazy.

I read this except, written by Zan Perrion, and I think it describes the mentality of many men quite aptly:

A cab driver picks a young man up at the airport...

Man: Yeah, I am just visiting this city. But I think I might move here. What are the women like here?

Cabbie: Well, what are the women like where you live now?

Man: Oh, don't get me started. That's why I want to move here! The women in my city are terrible. They are bitter and stuck up. And none of them are very pretty. I go out and all I see is fugly everywhere I look.

Cabbie: Yeah well, they are all the same way here. No pretty girls, and the ones that are here are bitter and miserable and not nice at all.

The next day, the cab driver picks up another young man at the airport...

Man: Wow, this is my first time visiting, but I've always wanted to move to this city. What are the women like here?

Cabbie: Well, what are the women like where you live now?

Man: Ah, beautiful! The women in my town are so fantastic! They are gorgeous and fun loving and open and very sexy!

Cabbie: Excellent! You are going to love this city! The women here are the same. There are so many beautiful and sexy women here, it will make your head spin!

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Rusty,

The Alabaster Girl is a beautiful book. Mad kudos for the reference.

Women are beautiful. Women are wondrous. And they are some of our greatest teachers.

- Anatty

 

[Drck]

Good topic and great comments

IMO it is quite a complex topic. It goes back to what the guy wants, what is he looking for in the girl, what are his expectation from relationship, what is his overall personality, what is his mindset and so on. Those are simply variables and many of them can be changed, e.g. Mindset can be changed - which again depends on what the guy wants...

I like MGTOW and Red Pill philosophy mainly because I see it everywhere around, so in that sense I rather agree with Drexel. Today's men are getting screwed by women left and right, she is always perceived as the victim while he is the bad one, it is sickening. And there are a lot of fooled men out there who are actually supporting those "poor" women. But the thing is, I'm also LOOKING FOR these things, that's why I am finding them. If you ask average guy out there about it, chances are that he has no clue what you are even talking about because he is LOOKING FOR totally different things...

For that reason I consider Red Pill more of a radical view. It goes back to the guy's mindset, because we all can perceive women differently, depending on our mindset, for example:

* Red Pill guy can easily say: She's a bitch who craves to be dominated because she is submissive, pump-and-dump or asshole style will do it, and then I'll never see her again. I don't really need any emotional connection, and don't need any love. Except sex, women don't really have much value in his eyes, if at all. He believes it because he is looking for these things, and thus he is finding them. That's his mindset, his personality...

* Lover guy can easily say: Women are such lovable creatures, there is always a great connection and great vibes, there is always this amazing sex because I satisfy her as well. Lover is rather GC style (obviously oversimplified), in comparison to the above GC is giving the girl much higher value. GC is less selfish and treats the girl more equally. This is also mindset, personality, what the guy believes...

* Nice Guy can easily say: Women are amazing, and I will never be able to get that one special girl. If I do she will be love of my life, we will get married, have children and live happily ever after. Again, it is oversimplified but we all know how Nice Guys are thinking, they can't get a girl, they are dreaming about the amazing soulmate, and if they do get her it is mostly due to coincidence. Nice Guys put the girl on a high pedestal, he assigns her much higher value than Lover or Red Pill guy. He is rather a weaker guy. That is also a mindset, most guys out there have this mindset, that's why there is so much frustration, high investment and low rate of return... It's all because (in his head) she sits way high on the pedestal above him...

* Provider guy: Doesn't necessary have to be a Nice Guy, but most Nice Guys ended up being providers. He can easily say that having a family and take care of kids and wife is natural thing to do. He is probably more practical guy, he's got job, his buddies, his family, and he simply - well, provides... It is also a mind set, believe, personality...


Those are of course for obvious reason only broad categories, over-simplified and generalized. Which one is better, or the best? IMO we can't ask that question as all of us are different. I know that many would probably jump on the Lover version as it sounds the best, but again - is that really necessary? I mean, who needs to sleep with hundreds of women, make many of them fall in love with him, have all these great connections, keep seducing and seducing different women, keep improving and improving every single detail? Get a life, it is a waste of time, waste of energy. You don't need to sleep with 500 different women to be happy, not even with 50. You don't have to become the best seducer out there to get great woman. But that's only my opinion, I'm sure that others can easily argue that that's the best - because that's what they want... It's not wrong at all, just different...

So IMO, the best approach is to learn modesty, be moderate - you don't have to be Lover, you don't have to be Red Pill, and you don't have to be Nice a Guy either... Take the best out of these and go with it:

* Know that there are lots of guys out there who are being screwed, emotionally, financially and otherwise. Those are mostly Nice Guys, and they are getting screwed because they are not dominant enough, they don't have any frame, they are too compliant, too soft and weak, they put women on a high pedestal and so on
* Know that there are bitches out there, cold and unstable creatures, entitled Gold diggers who can make you fall in love with them, spent with you couple of years, and then rip you off of every penny while not giving a damn how you end up. Know that you need skills, observation skills to recognize women like that
* Know that there are great women, honest, faithful, loving and willing to settle down for the whole life with you, have family, friends and so on. Know that you can have them (her)
* Know that you don't have to become full blown seducer to get great woman. Know that you don't need to seduce all the girls out there to become good with women. Know that you don't have to become obsessed with self improvement before you get laid...
* Know that seduction is 1000x easier than it seems - sleeping with opposite sex is simply the most natural thing in the entire world, it's been around for billions of years, billions of species "seducing" each other even without the greatest tool we humans have - our language, spoken and unspoken... Know that seduction, attraction, great connection and amazing vibes are already hard wired into your brain, it's already there for millions of years... You don't have to create or learn any of these, they are already there...
* Know that you need some skills, that you need to do something, you have to have some game, you have to show some interest... Sitting home and creating amazing theories about girls is great, but it will never get you laid...
* Know that having strong fundamentals, having solid and rather more dominant frame, being assertive and go after what you want will substantially increase your chances to get any woman...

So again, it all depends on what you want. You can sleep with 500 women if you want to, and if you put an effort into it. You can become a great Lover if that's what you want, and if you put your time into it. You can become a great provider, with solid frame who's got great family with woman who will respect you for the rest of your life - should you put enough effort into it...

 

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Been starting to read something called the red pill on reddit, go onto other boards like RooshV. Find out there is

hey...hate to be such a noob...but cud someone give me a crash course on this red pill blue pill business