LR- "Just the tip" Is she really experienced?

[Skippy]

I met this girl off of tinder. Lets call her Moon (ok so if you read my older posts, you'll realize that pretty much all of my dates are coming from tinder... yeah I've been lazy and haven't been daygaming much. I need to rectify that)

Anyways, she's super cute and I've seen her around campus before. We meet up outside the library and go to the grocery store to get ingredients for dinner. During dinner, I seed the idea of watching a movie. Whenever I touch her, she's very comfortable. It's as if we had already been dating for a while. During the movie we start cuddling and I hold her hand and she takes her hand in mine. Then we periodically makeout because it's a long movie. Once it's over I put away my laptop and we start making out more heavily.

I start playing with her butt and she says "let me help you with that" and immediately takes her pants off. but then she says "but no sex"(ugh not this line lmao)
so I just joke "who said anything about sex? I don't even know if I like you " she laughs and we continue. I start fingering her and she's getting really wet. but then she needs to use the bathroom so I lend her some clothes to put on. when we get back in the room, she takes her clothes off immediately and I barely had time to close the door!(not judging, but I was just surprised by that)

I rub my cock on her pussy but I don't think she wanted me to insert it. I started dirty talking, asking if she liked the tip of my penis. and she said "no..." lmao. A couple times she didn't hear me so she'd ask me to repeat myself but I was just dirty talking.

She seemed to like it when I rubbed my cock on her pussy and I was wondering if I could just insert it, but I didn't want to risk anything. Also, a good friend of her is a well-known hardcore SJW and I didn't want to risk getting slammed with a rape accusation(maybe I'm being too paranoid here but still...).

So ultimately, I didn't quite get through her lmr, but this girl was so straightforward with taking off her clothes, I thought I was going to have to at least coax her.

In hindsight, maybe I should've just asked her what was up while maintaining my frame of compassion and passion.

Then we cuddle for a while and remember that the ice cream is still in the fridge. She finishes hers quickly and then she calls an uber because she has to finish reading for a class tomorrow.

She says she just got her tinder a week ago but she acts so much more experienced than I would've imagined. Is my read correct here? or was she just really really horny. I just feel like I didn't do anything special, no bf disqualification, virtually no flirting, etc...and the only difference I can think of is that I'm not a virgin anymore so maybe she subconsciously sensed that. Otherwise, I was just making normal conversation with her as usual, following my process, and gradually building up with the touch. I did try fractionation, but it was minimal.

 

[Smurf]

I'm confused as to why you didn't have sex with her.

Was it something about the vibe?

Jake.

 

[Skippy]

I'm not too clear on that myself tbh but it just seemed that she would get uncomfortable when I tried to escalate past fingering. and I didn't want to just slip my dick in without her agreeing somehow. I think she said something that implied she didn't want me to put the tip in but it's kind of hazy now.

We were talking afterwards said she never expected to go this far on our first date. I texted her this morning to tell her I had a great time and to set up another date. (my reasoning is she'll still have good feelings from last night so she'll be happy to want to see me again. and it won't look clingy)...but she hasn't responded yet so maybe it's not looking good idk...

 

[Smurf]

There's a lot you could potentially do in that situation.

How long was dinner? It doesn't sound like that much comfort was built in that short amount of time. When you felt she was uncomfortable, you probably weren't entirely wrong. You could ask her what's wrong and stop. She seemed into it up until you were about to dive in. I'm guessing it was a comfort thing, which could be from lack of foreplay or emotional connection.

Not too versed in dirty talk but a clear no is probably not a good sign. I think the best thing in this situation would be to stop and ask what's wrong. You theoretically could have just foreplay/escalation ladder'd it but I think in this situation that would've just lead to her feeling used even if the sex and cuddling after was good.

If she texts back I would be really warm, and if you go on another date maybe start outside of your place and then move there later.

If she doesn't text back, she backwards-rationalized she didn't want to have sex with you most likely.

Let us know if she texts back.

Jake.

 

[Skippy]

Thanks for the insight, Jake! Moon texted me back much later today

So a bit more about what happened. We met at around 5:40, and finished cooking and eating dinner around 8:30. Then the movie we watched was about 2hrs. I feel like that was our foreplay actually. Is there anything specific I should be doing to build comfort? I just deep dive and cuddle, although at this point it just seems like normal interaction with a girl.

I always forget to stop and ask what's wrong. I'm also not clear on how to handle objections. My current situation is that I'm in an open relationship with another girl that is set to expire in a couple months. I feel like I'd have to bring that up somehow and I didn't want to get into a logical discussion. I'm also not sure how to bring that up with her but that is a separate question altogether.

If she texts back I would be really warm, and if you go on another date maybe start outside of your place and then move there later.

Yeah this seems like a good idea. Here's what she messaged me

Me: [Moon] I had a great time tonight I'm glad we're getting to know each other
Me: Lets do something again next week before we get engulfed by the craziness that is finals week.
Her: Hey, I liked dinner too. I promised myself that I'd get serious starting 10th week and I'm super busy this weekend though. We should do something after break(She did mention being very behind in her classes this quarter)
Her: I might see you at the ksa show!(its a korean cultural show that I'm helping out with this weekend)

I'm thinking I'll just say something like "yeah that sounds good good luck with studying for finals...go crush em!" Would that be considered warm enough? It's clear that I'm going to have to text again to schedule something later when I get back from break

 

[Smurf]

That time frame actually seems like a lot of comfort could be built in that time frame, especially since it's tinder.

You wouldn't have to bring up that you're in another relationship. Girls can usually sense what they're dealing with in terms of guys, so she can either sense you're the type of guy that dates other girls or senses it but ignores it. When you ask her what's wrong, it's about her. You're listening to her say what she needs to, not using it as an LMR technique. It's especially effective when you have other girls in rotation because you seem noon needy when you ask.

As for the text, she put a lot of effort into it so it seems like she likes you. I feel like your best bet would be the KSA show, but if you don't end up seeing her, just try after break.

I'd say something like, "awesome, sounds good!" I'm not super wordy when I text, I honestly keep them pretty short. Maybe add a smiley face in there. So yeah, you're spot on there.

Jake.

 

[Skippy]

Another update...She came up to me after the KSA show and was very warm and friendly. We chatted a little about my role and then she said with a tender voice," so I'll see you after the break, okay?". We did a fist-bump and then she left. I had a pretty good feeling about that interaction so I think she definitely likes me. She was responding to texts pretty late anyways. Hopefully, the feelings haven't dissipated after break because that will be another 2-3 weeks before I can see her.