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Keep it informal, or directly ask on date?

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Space Monkey
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There is a girl at my work who I’m interested in. I’ve had a ‘don’t date at work rule’ for a while,but have relaxed that if I don't work directly with her. I normally go to the pub with colleagues on a Friday, so I see her at there quite often. Like most people I know, I’ve tended to keep conversations quite superficial as I’m don’t tend to open up to many people. I was quite good friends with her friend, so we would also have lunch together occasionally. About a month a go, quite a few times during the week, she would message me asking if I wanted to go for a drink. However, she would also occasionally invite other people. I have been on dates with other people during this time, and she had a boyfriend up until 4-6 weeks ago

Tuesday just gone, I asked her if she fancied a quick drink after work. She said yes, but then said she had already asked another mutual friend if they fancied a drink. But I knew they were going to a concert later that night. Then a socially inept guy I worked with walked by, and ended up staying for like 2 hours, so at this point, I’m thinking I’m never going to hook up with this chick. Fortunately, when we sat inside, I managed to arrange it so that I was sitting on a sofa, quite close to the girl, and he made comments about us being a couple. Eventually he left, and she agreed to another drink, even though she had told her sister she would be home way earlier. We continued getting to know each other, and we were quite touchy, and were talking about sexual topics . Eventually we got kicked out of the pub, and we then started play fighting, hitting each other with gloves as we walked to the station.. At this point I knew I should’ve gone for the kiss. We got to tube station, and I was mentally preparing myself to lean in, and then her train arrived, so she quickly hugged me, and ran for it. We had a brief flirty text exchange after about leather gloves and whips.

So I messaged her on Thursday asking if she fancied going to a wine bar on Friday (a wine bar she knows I take girls on dates to). I had it all planned, as we are a bit fucked logistically, because we both live 40 min train rides away from London, but her to the west, and me to the east. I figured we would continue getting to know each other and flirting, and then go for a walk, where we would go past a park, which I planned to go to take her into and then sleep with her, following Chases article on logistics. Anyway, see the text exchange below.

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Wasn’t sure where to go next. Should I ask her out, and actually specify it as a date? I feel like I've shown I'm interested in her sexually. I followed Chases template by being informal about it, figuring that we had been flirty and sexual enough that she would get it. But the way things are going, I don’t see a time when I’m going to be able to get her on her own for a whole night, unless I specifically say it’s a date.
 

Drck

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I don't understand the messages, it's in some form of weird cryptographic English that I am not familiar with, but if you like the girl yes, ask her out.

"About a month a go, quite a few times during the week, she would message me asking if I wanted to go for a drink."
>>>> I would ask her in similar way she asked you before (just make sure she can decipher your English)
 

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Hahaha what? Cryptographic English?

By keeping it casual, do I not run the risk of her inviting other people as she has done before? Or will the fact that we have been flirty/touching make my intentions clear?
 

Chase

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What Drck means is too much dancing around the point... beating around the bush.

Clear texting would be like this:

  • Pia: Next time it will be the leather whip [emoji]

    You: I keep one just above my bed for special occasions. Hey, so, drink - we doing this? Tell me your schedule this week / next.

Bam.

Don't text her again until she writes back. No other stuff to distract.

When you sandwich/bury the date request within a bunch of other thoughts/questions/sentiments, like you do here, it's easy for her to ignore it and address the other stuff around it instead, which she does with you multiple times.

The very act of burying the request in lots of other very "nice" conversation is you communicate to her you're scared to pull the trigger, which makes her feel really weird about saying anything other than "eh, maybe next time."

Avoid getting sucked into long text conversations where she blows off your date and then you keep texting her fun stuff that makes her feel good. This conditions her to not come out to meet you, because she'll get lots of good emotions simply by keeping you on-hand as her easy-breezy texting resource. See this article for more on that:

How to Text Girls: 20 More Tips and Techniques

Anyway, at this point, you've set harmful precedent over text - I'd focus on either getting some good conversation with her over the phone, or just chatting her up at work and figuring out logistics then. Relevant articles for either course:


Chase
 

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Space Monkey
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Thanks for the advice Chase.

I see what you mean about burying requests in nice conversation.

I guess I've been thrown off with this girl because I've known her since December, although she had a boyfriend up until April, so I haven't known how to play it, especially with my 'don't date at work' rule. I've kept things as flirty/sexual as possible to avoid friendzone, and haven't spent that much time actually getting to know her, but obviously worrying about her attraction towards me expiring. Thankfully, most of our text exchanges have been relatively short.

We have an instant messaging program on our work computers, and we sometimes chat on that, but most of the time its just setting up logistics. She normally opens me. I'm very wary of over providing her with attention now. Whats the best way to shut these down without being rude. Is it best just to answer her question, but then not continue any conversation, or to ignore it completely and just claim I didn't see it/I'm too busy if she calls me out?
 
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