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Marty

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This is a follow-on from the FR+: LegallyMILF that I posted a while back. Yes, I know that over a month has passed since then... and as I mentioned in that FR+, over a month passed from when I opened the lady to when I took her on a date. Our calendars were out of sync. It's not the ideal "moving fast" but I got there in the end :)

This woman was nothing special really, just a typical American "soccer mom" with two teenage kids. More than anything else, I wanted to prove to myself I could do it. Although I've had a passable amount of sex in my lifetime, I've actually never laid a woman off of a cold approach before (if you don't count one who opened me when I was 19, back in 1995!—I think "cold approach" really means the man's supposed to do it, LOL)... so in a way this was a first for me. Not high-value but never mind, let's learn to lead this process through to its conclusion first, and hopefully the cute young girls will follow :)

No point in repeating what I wrote in the FR+; after that meeting I got shitloads of text from her (again), so I'll just pick out a few highlights from that moment on.

  • Marty: How long a lunch break do you get when you're in town? And can it be extended?

    (15 texts later)—she beats about the bush like nothing on Earth

    L-MILF: Passionate kisses = extended lunch = hour, hour and a half, two??? Just asking how long?
That one went nowhere. 10 days and a handful more texts pass before I get this from her (full marks for initiative):

  • L-MILF: What's your AM look like?

    (dozens of texts later)

    L-MILF: Have to reschedule. Have a good day!!
I press for more info and after a handful more texts, receive the following:

  • L-MILF: Thanks... I don't know what's happening to me ...after bad marriage... having a hard time feeling confident.
This is kinda higher-effort than is really worth it, but what the hell, I want to get my first cold-approach lay and she's clearly game. She's had some office politics issues, so I text:


  • Marty: Hey L-MILF, stay strong at work tomorrow, don't let 'em get to you.

    L-MILF: Yes, I prefer to be on top. Let's make some time. Thanks for encouragement.
Spot the sex frame there? Hard to miss.

She texts me all sorts of other bullshit over the ensuing week (I know, guys, this is ludicrous), until I lose patience and text her this:


  • Marty: Can you do dinner next Monday?
She brings it up to Saturday and we agree on a time, also I check what she likes to eat so I know what to cook. You'd think that was the end of it, but Thursday she texts me while I'm in the middle of a Board Committee meeting (no shit) asking to meet up on the street. I tell her she needs to wait, and then go downstairs when I get done to find out what she wants (her office is like two blocks from mine).

Turns out she just wants to walk in the sunshine. I kid her that she's just checking whether she's still attracted to me before coming to my house, but honestly I don't have time to deal with this shit. She asks if I was at Subway again picking up girls at lunchtime and I say no, I was at the university. She thinks I'm kidding and I reassure her that I'm totally serious. I then cut the conversation short and head back to the office. She texts me to ask what my favorite color is; I assume she's talking lingerie and tell her what I think'll suit her—black (frankly it's not staying on long so I don't give a fuck).

Okay, so she finally shows up tonight at 7 PM. I've prepared an entrée and bought some tarts from a local bakery for dessert. Over dinner she mentions her eldest daughter is a high-school basketball cheerleader and I tell her about the university cheerleading team captain I met last week. I figure we'll have dinner, dessert, and then fuck, but she's impatient. After we finish the entrée, I ask if she wants tea and she's like no, let's have it later. So I take her to the couch and we start kissing and I put my hand down her pants.

LMR is very token, close to zero. She half-assedly pulls my hand out the first time and starts talking about expectations... like, do I just want to get laid, do I want an occasional casual partner, or do I want something serious?

I congratulate her on taking the initiative in this manner, and tell her that a one-off kinda doesn't always feel "real" but frankly I'm not on for any commitment whatsoever, exclusivity is totally out of the question (are you kidding? LOL), can't promise anything and don't want any expectations putting pressure on us and derailing the proceedings. She's good with that and I pick up where I left off, then say "You haven't seen the rest of the house yet" and move her to the bedroom.

The next part is so straightforward it's kinda boring to write about. Pants come off in the first 30 seconds. After I start stimulating her through her panties, she asks me to slow down, and I ask if she likes men who take it slow... she giggles and I keep moving fast.

The actual sex part took some time. I needed a while to get hard, partly because of my age and partly because frankly, she's not exactly a dreamgirl. I give her cunnilingus for 10 minutes or so, then tell her to touch me in a particular way that normally gets me aroused; this works and I slam her in adapted missionary for about 10 minutes, then she wants to flip over to cowgirl-style which she seems to enjoy, and keeps going for about 15 minutes, which is fine by me as it's lower effort.

Interestingly, as she approaches orgasm she gets into a maneuver whereby she's kinda jumping up-and-down on top of me vertically, which I've never experienced before, but I have to admit it was much more exciting for me than the adapted missionary, to see her soccer-mom face with mascara smeared everywhere and sweat running down in rivulets as she screamed and brought herself to climax. She's a screamer rather than a moaner (she kidded me that my neighbors will be high-fiving me next day... I certainly hope not!). I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.

We shower and head back downstairs for dessert. Over tea I call her out on something she said; she figured I was 45 (I'm 38) and I confirm her age, which I already know is 41. She doesn't believe I'm 38 and I actually show her identification proving it. She tells me she's never had sex with a younger man before. Well, lady, there's a first time for everything :)

We chat a little over the next half-hour and I give her a bit of reassurance in the hope of preventing any possible sex regret (for her sake... I don't think I really care about seeing her again). The whole deal was complete in three hours with her fed, screwed, showered, dressed again and out the door.

Received a text from her about a half-hour ago, right after she got home, quite long and full of compliments and kind words ("unique", "special"...). That's cool :)

-Marty
 

PrettyDecent

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Marty, my man! Was pumped to read this when I saw it was an LR :)

It's pretty evident to see, as you mentioned a few times, this was more for the experience than for how "high value" she was. I think that was still a smart move. You spotted the escalation windows, and that definitely made the last 5% easier. In the end, smooth seduction! Almost textbook.

Excited to see what more the future holds, my friend!

~Nick
 

Mr.Rob

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She asks if I was at Subway again picking up girls at lunchtime and I say no, I was at the university. She thinks I'm kidding and I reassure her that I'm totally serious.
Lol boss status she knows you pick up chicks and your both cool about it. I'm sure at her age she's thinking she needs to show her good side since you clearly have options.

I tell her about the university cheerleading team captain I met last week.
Also funny, and definitely paints you as having options.

She half-assedly pulls my hand out the first time and starts talking about expectations... like, do I just want to get laid, do I want an occasional casual partner, or do I want something serious?
Ugh boner kill.

The actual sex part took some time. I needed a while to get hard, partly because of my age and partly because frankly, she's not exactly a dreamgirl.
Try taking zinc pills with pure zinc in them a couple times a week. Your sperm is made of zinc and if you get a high dosage (I take 50 mg. which %330 of the daily amount needed) you'll not only get a Testosterone boost but also be more horny in general. When I first got them I just took one a day and after three days I'd have nocturnal emission (what a werid fucking terminology). So now I take half a pill 3 times a week and wake up with a boner every morning. Shit's real.

Dinner for two- $30
Long and time consuming text exchanges going on for a month- $50
seeing her soccer-mom face with mascara smeared everywhere and sweat running down in rivulets as she screamed and brought herself to climax.
Priceless.
Lol.

The whole deal was complete in three hours with her fed, screwed, showered, dressed again and out the door.
Keep it pimpin, Pimpin.

Stoked for you Marty, your hard work is clearly paying off for you.... Now you gotta shag the head cheerleader ;).

-Rob
 

Gentle_Phrases

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YES! CONGRATS MARTY

When I saw this, I was like:

Dinner for two- $30
Long and time consuming text exchanges going on for a month- $50


seeing her soccer-mom face with mascara smeared everywhere and sweat running down in rivulets as she screamed and brought herself to climax.

Priceless.
Lol.

Lol, Rob you totally beat me to that one.


Not high-value but never mind

Well hey, you've cracked the code.

hopefully the cute young girls will follow :)

A matter of time, Marty. A matter of time.

Your success will fuel me for this next week!
 

Grand Pooba

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MARTY! An LR! Woohoo! That's awesome man.

Marty said:
Marty: Hey L-MILF, stay strong at work tomorrow, don't let 'em get to you.

L-MILF: Yes, I prefer to be on top. Let's make some time. Thanks for encouragement.
Spot the sex frame there? Hard to miss.

Hahaha good one. Great opportunity for you to throw back a frame.

Your escalation was great, I think you set this up the right way and it looks pretty flawless! Congratulations man!

Marty said:
She texts me to ask what my favorite color is; I assume she's talking lingerie and tell her what I think'll suit her—black (frankly it's not staying on long so I don't give a fuck).

Was her lingerie black after all?

Keep it up!
 

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Marty,

Way to go. Success seems to have a way of snowballing, so I'm certain this is merely a pre-cursor and you're just getting warmed up here!

Also, I see you mention this woman "not being all that special". Then, in this other FR you have "CrimeanKitten", who you seem to be completely enamored with. You should be treating Ms. CrimeanKitten exactly how you are treating Ms. LegallyMILF. If if you can (1) tell yourself that laying LegallyMILF is a big success (which it is, you should go back through several times and see what made this one work) and (2) also tell yourself that CrimeanKitten is just another woman, like LegallyMILF, and that the same tactics/technicques/attitude works on her too, and really, truly, honest-to-god believe it and treat the situation that way, then that's the best chance you're going to give yourself with women like her.

What I'm saying is, try to balance how you perceive women with different value levels a little better. It's hard, I know it is. If you think of CrimeanKitten much differently than you do LegallyMILF, it changes the whole dynamic of the interaction. You can act like you're in charge of shit with any given girl all you want to, but what really matters is that you actually feel like and know that you are, because people sense the difference even if they can't really put their finger on it (it's subliminal). But the bigger thing here is that when you downplay your successes you tend to not look back on them as fondly, and thus don't learn much from them.

So knock CrimeanKitten down a peg or two, and take LegallyMILF up a couple. At least, it's something that really helped me out :)
NJ
 

Marty

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Hey friends, thank you for the props and commentary :)

NarrowJ said:
Also, I see you mention this woman "not being all that special". Then, in this other FR you have "CrimeanKitten", who you seem to be completely enamored with.
Haha NarrowJ, you well and truly busted me there, LOL :)

NarrowJ said:
You should be treating Ms. CrimeanKitten exactly how you are treating Ms. LegallyMILF.
Yeah, it's kinda difficult when one looks like she ought to be a Victoria's Secret model, and the other looks like a mom plucked at random from the bleachers of a high-school basketball game. But I do see where you're coming from :)

NarrowJ said:
You can act like you're in charge of shit with any given girl all you want to, but what really matters is that you actually feel like and know that you are, because people sense the difference even if they can't really put their finger on it (it's subliminal)
That's actually a great point. I left LegallyMILF to stew for 3 days (after a cursory response to her good-night text the night of the lay), then texted her very curtly this evening and she started chasing wildly. I just can't help acting superior around her, it's odd. While with CrimeanKitten, you can tell from all the testing that she's not convinced one bit by my act of confidence :)

What you're saying is that I have to actually internalize the mindset in order to play it off convincingly. Gonna take some practice.

Anatman said:
All I gotta say is,

MAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NIGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
LOL Anatman, yeah that's more or less how I felt after :) Just like that guy standing up in the cabriolet!

ozzo said:
Great opportunity for you to throw back a frame.
Hey Ozzo, thanks man! Yes, I came back with "On top, huh? Who'd have thought it? ;)" but as is the case with most women, the jokes fall flat rather in writing, it's better to keep as much as possible to the in-person interactions.

I learned this lesson real hard around Thanksgiving last year when I met a girl at work whose office had been moved to my division. I ran into her in the kitchen and she lit up with obvious attraction (notwithstanding that she's only been married for less than a year). It was the first time we'd ever spoken. I emailed her same afternoon to ask her to slip out with me for coffee when I was done with my meetings, and she declined. That was Friday. Monday I asked her out to lunch, in person this time, and she accepted. We had a great time. (I never pushed it since I'm now convinced I want to stick exclusively to cold approach—it's cleaner.) Asking in person can seriously mean the difference between a Yes and a No.

ozzo said:
Was her lingerie black after all?
No. Red panties and blue bra, the nadir of tastelessness. Haha!

Gentle_Phrases said:
Well hey, you've cracked the code.
Thanks Gentle Phrases, yeah it feels good to have been able to lay a woman with zero social connection, minimal effort, someone I literally spotted from the car while driving past. Just shows it's worth doing that extra approach sometimes.

Mr.Rob said:
Try taking zinc pills with pure zinc in them a couple times a week.
Like I texted you Rob I started this the very day you wrote it. Now when I'm opening a girl I start fantasizing about doing unspeakable things to her during the actual approach. It's insane! Thanks for the tip.

Mr.Rob said:
Priceless.
Lol.
Yeah I agree with Gentle Phrases, that totally cracked me up :p

PrettyDecent said:
Excited to see what more the future holds, my friend!
Thanks Nick. You've been a great source of support and inspiration ever since I signed up for this site. I was delighted when your response came through first :)

-Marty
 
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Marty

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Mr.Rob said:
Dinner for two- $30
Long and time consuming text exchanges going on for a month- $50
seeing her soccer-mom face with mascara smeared everywhere and sweat running down in rivulets as she screamed and brought herself to climax.
Priceless.
Visit to dermatology clinic on account of her having a landing-strip like a Brillo pad and causing me contact dermatitis as she got herself off in cowgirl—$50 copay
Steroidal cream prescription—$20 copay
Expression on the face of the pretty female Physician's Assistant when she saw the damage on my abs—priceless :)
 

thedude

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Yooo Martyyyyy, great job mind.

Just a question what brand for these Zinc pills have you chosen? I am curious to experiment with such a thing as well.

Right now I am looking at something with "Zinc Gluconate" and I am wondering if this is the good stuff.
 

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Great work getting the moral victory here, Marty. Getting these wins that aren't ideal but serve as proof-of-concept is a vital part of learning something - they combat learning fatigue ("I've been at this for months and it still isn't working!") and provide some strong subconscious reinforcement that goes beyond what you feel or think logically.

The advice from NJ here is also great - if you implement that, you're going to be in top shape. You'll reach that point eventually if you keep at this long enough, purely by default - if you can train yourself to think that way NOW, you essentially just skip a few years of development in that regard.

Anyway... go get 'em, killer. You're going to be eating these girls for breakfast before you know it.

Chase
 
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