Lets hear long term Seducer success stories?

[samuraijack]

Need some motivation here...

I'm 33 and i'm at the age that I want to build something with an attractive (objectively) girl in her early 20's who shares similar values

I'm tired of my empty app hookups. Tired of empty cold approach hookups.

I'm like around 150 lays in now (65% from dating apps). Very few were actually hot enough i would wanna date.

I'm a hard introvert, who doesn't work currently (temporarily retired entrepreneur), doesn't have a social hobby or any other way of consistently meeting women outside of cold approach. I live in NYC.

I believe cold approach is currently the best and only way right now for me to accomplish this goal of mine...except

I don't know a single PUA that is happy with their dating life, or if they are, the girl they are with wasn't from cold approach (either social circle or dating app).

The "top" guys here i know might bang hot girls here and there. But they can never date them.

Does anyone have friends in the USA that have dating lives they are proud of? with hot girls from cold approach?

I guess im looking for reassurance before i dive back into cold approach.

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Hey man cold approach will always work if you work. I've wrote a lot but the TLDR is this:

What's your ideal girl? and just as importantly are you the ideal guy for your ideal girl?

When it comes to dating I.E retention girls want to be a part of something bigger. Which is where a lot of PUAs fail as their 1 dimensional.

I'm tired of my empty app hookups. Tired of empty cold approach hookups.

Can relate a lot to this - think it's natural after a certain amount of lays... It's all repetitive & the same especially with apps.

Think you answered your own question here though man...

if they are [happy], the girl they are with wasn't from cold approach (either social circle or dating app).

This matches what I've seen. Especially because if you're after girls in this demographic:

an attractive (objectively) girl in her early 20's who shares similar values

These girls have active social circles that haven't loosened due to career pressures or people having kids yet.

As a result these girls are harder to get through cold approach as their relationships are from social circle UNLESS they move to a new city or recently single so extra open..

You can find them... Just have to put the numbers in.

I'm a hard introvert, who doesn't work currently (temporarily retired entrepreneur), doesn't have a social hobby or any other way of consistently meeting women outside of cold approach. I live in NYC.

This is where I'll respectfully challenge you. If you want to find these girls efficiently without putting huge amounts of volume in cold approach then you will need to get super clear on what this girl is. (Maybe you're clear but just haven't posted it)

1. Are you looking for a girl to marry or just long term girlfriend?
2. Do you want to sleep with multiple women and just increase the quality?
3. "20's and objectively attractive" is a HUGE demographic.

What's your ideal girl? and just as importantly are you the ideal guy for your ideal girl?

 

[trashKENNUT]

I don't know a single PUA that is happy with their dating life, or if they are, the girl they are with wasn't from cold approach (either social circle or dating app).

Quick Post.

Every single PUA that I have read from, that has a super hot girlfriend. All their girlfriends is not from cold approach.

You are correct.
So what does this mean? Is PUA a scam all along?
Actually,
It is more complicated than it really is. To get super hot girls and I mean it can be either hot girl with makeup, like Gal Gadot or hot girl that looks ordinary at supermarket/etc, until she wears a dress or cute top with amazing fit shorts /jeans.

You have to actually spot them when the tribe (society) is not there. I have met a super gorgeous girl in 2015 and she was hot. Her body is super tight with the jeans and top. And she was pleasant as the heavens describe it. I'm not being hyperbole like this sentence. This is honest to God's truth.

The problem is, non physically blessed female friends starts being territorial and I lost the girl. The tribe as I called them.

Your fucking family,
Your fucking friends,
Your fucking society,
Even Girlschase members.
They will become your enemy and you need to see them as the enemy, at least for the period that you need to get the girl and lay her. You have to.

I hated it to this day.
Because she is amazing from the get-go.
Like she is amazing.

TLDR:
To get that girl where every guy and every girl, literally turns their head. You have to be aggressive. Super aggressive. Because this is my hypothesis.

She kinda knows that she can't control society. But she needs you.
She needs you to not fail..
And this post comes full circle for me.

Understanding Hot Girls, The Stalker Factor

For a long time in my life, I wondered why the hottest girls could be so mean and dismissive to guys who had the courage to approach them. Why were they falling in love with guys who cheated on them and treated them like dirt and treating those guys like kings? It made no sense to me whatsoever...

www.skilledseducer.com

z@c+

 

[samuraijack]

Hey man cold approach will always work if you work. I've wrote a lot but the TLDR is this:

What's your ideal girl? and just as importantly are you the ideal guy for your ideal girl?

When it comes to dating I.E retention girls want to be a part of something bigger. Which is where a lot of PUAs fail as their 1 dimensional.

1. Are you looking for a girl to marry or just long term girlfriend?
2. Do you want to sleep with multiple women and just increase the quality?
3. "20's and objectively attractive" is a HUGE demographic.

What's your ideal girl? and just as importantly are you the ideal guy for your ideal girl?

Hey, thanks for offering some guidance.

Just to preface, I'm not opposed to cold approaching and working the number game if its necessary. If theres a better way...please let me know.

1. In 5 years i want to have found the girl I would have a kid with. For now I want to get to the point of consistently dating attractive high quality girls.
2. Yes but only as a means to an end ^
3. Youre right. I want a girl that works for her own money, not too much past trauma, does good things for her mental health, exercising, meditating etc, submissive in bed, loves dirty rough sex, not part of the "IG model" clout chasing scene, doesnt do hard drugs or drink too much. Just the traits for a good gf i guess...nothing physically specific except being thin and white, arab, or latina.

Im always trying to grow as a person. I do think i have same personality traits im looking for and a decent lifestyle which im also working on improving. Physically I have done a lot to max out my looks. Last bit im working on is gaining more muscle. I do lack being social and having high quality friends / network of acquaintances. For instance i have no close female friends...

Whats your diagnosis doc

 

[Ambiance]

I am too young (24) to relate enough to your position, but I sympathize with you going through that many girls and being ultimately disappointed with the majority of them.

Perhaps the environment of NYC contributes heavily to this? Maybe the type of girl you are looking to settle down with is not the type to gravitate to the big city lifestyle? I'd recommend doing some pickup in less extreme environments to sample different types of women.

I see that most of your girls have come from dating apps. Girls on apps are automatically gonna be "lesser". In my experience, naturally beautiful, wholesome, relatively sane girls either will never try dating apps OR will get lonely, try it out for a week, and quickly become bored/disgusted with it. Having most of your reference points come from online dating can be stifling...

It could also be an attainability problem on your end. I've gone through this myself, where I wouldn't approach the hottest girls, subconsciously thinking I wasn't skilled enough yet. Then one day, I accidentally approached an obscenely attractive girl (she was wearing a baseball hat and dressed plainly) and had it go really well, which made me realize I'd been sabotaging myself. Nowadays, I have the opposite problem, where I'm too lazy/unexcited to approach a girl unless she is banging.

Hope this helps!

 

[samuraijack]

I see that most of your girls have come from dating apps. Girls on apps are automatically gonna be "lesser". In my experience, naturally beautiful, wholesome, relatively sane girls either will never try dating apps OR will get lonely, try it out for a week, and quickly become bored/disgusted with it. Having most of your reference points come from online dating can be stifling...

It could also be an attainability problem on your end. I've gone through this myself, where I wouldn't approach the hottest girls, subconsciously thinking I wasn't skilled enough yet. Then one day, I accidentally approached an obscenely attractive girl (she was wearing a baseball hat and dressed plainly) and had it go really well, which made me realize I'd been sabotaging myself. Nowadays, I have the opposite problem, where I'm too lazy/unexcited to approach a girl unless she is at least near the same level of attractiveness of my gorgeous ex.

Very true points. I definitely dont want to come off as complaining. I knew what most of those girls would be like before meeting them up and having sex with them. That's the reason i am going back to cold approach, but this time doing it right as you mentioned. Hot girls!

I didnt have the reference experiences before, but now I do. And after having consistent sex with a hot girl, standards must be raised. Onwards and upwards.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Yeap.

No one like my post. Need to masturbate the truth, Zac. Give it a little spice. For truth is not exciting. This men need idealism.
To tell them that they can date Barney and that she will dress up in one on the way to your apartment.

z@c+

 

[Teevster]

The "top" guys here i know might bang hot girls here and there. But they can never date them.

Odd statement. Of course we can date them. We just don't always want to do so. In my case very rarely.

The hard part is to get to bang her. Once that is passed it is easy to date them.


Teevster

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Just to preface, I'm not opposed to cold approaching and working the number game if its necessary. If theres a better way...please let me know

Ahh understood. Think working the numbers is unavoidable but you can increase % of getting the kind of girls you like more often.

3. Youre right. I want a girl that works for her own money, not too much past trauma, does good things for her mental health, exercising, meditating etc, submissive in bed, loves dirty rough sex, not part of the "IG model" clout chasing scene, doesnt do hard drugs or drink too much.

Getting these girls while relying less on volume will take a lifestyle change, I'm saying this based on your quote here:

doesn't have a social hobby or any other way of consistently meeting women outside of cold approach

I'm big on finding your "niche" / "Tribe". I go into it in more detail here. To give you some recommendations if I was in your position I would:

1. Download "Feeld" a "kink" dating app. Although there'll be girls who don't fit your criteria (hedonistic/too into drugs) there's definitely young well adjusted professional women who end up on there and will fit your sexual requirements.

> You can act as the experienced older guy who can help them explore and get them hooked on a kind of traditional relationship with you before they go too deep into the rainbow color relationship options lol

2. Attend any class or workshop that is remotely self improvement orientated and will have a significant amount of women. These tend to be "trendy" and currently popular E.g.

• High end yoga classes in nice "younger" areas of NYC
• Vegan cooking workshops
• Meditation / exercise "retreats"
• Writing / poetry classes
• Dance classes (this is a slow burn and you'll need to get good for maximum results)

3. Spend time in affluent suburbs and cold approach. You get women who moved into the city but wanted to avoid the "hustle and bustle" of city centres. These girls are small town girls at heart and would fit your criteria too.

decent lifestyle which im also working on improving.

Building a semi-quasi social circle or at least being a part of different social circles by acting on the above would help with retention and dating these kind of girls on a longer term basis too.

Good luck man!

 

[samuraijack]

Odd statement. Of course we can date them. We just don't always want to do so. In my case very rarely.

The hard part is to get to bang her. Once that is passed it is easy to date them.


Teevster

Im sure someone is doing it, just wanted to hear stories. Cause The guys i know here in nyc are not tho unfortunately. I might just not know the real top guys here though, they probably dont associate with the majority of puas

 

[ulrich]

Hey @samuraijack, I guess you could call me some kind of success story.

I'm 35 and a couple of years ago, I started feeling a lot like you. Getting girls from apps was ridicously easy, more than 50% of the time I would sleep with them in the first date and after that they would ghost me... not that I care anyway, they were always kinda meh... not girls I would be exited to date at all.
I was at the top of my app game and it was pretty much unfulfulling.

Now, I don't have my money together as you do so i couldn't focus mainly in dating but still I made a commitment to myself that I was going to date better women so I DLETED ALL MY DATING APPS and focused totally on daygame + cold messaging hot girls on Facebook (pretty sure that one is niche in some parts of Latin America and I won't suggest it to all regions).

One year later, I have a GF who is an absolute sweetheart, never drinks, never parties, super family and career oriented, sweet and the possibly most beautiful woman I have ever dated.
Yeah, she is VERY VERY DIFFERENT from the ones I used to date before... it took more time to get laid, she is not as adventuruos, more introverted and not nearly as sexually experienced which is not everyone's cup of tea... but she is top wife material.
I will not marry in the next couple of years but I´m seriously considering her for when the time comes.

Bottomline is here are two lessons that I can give you:

1) There are plenty wife material women out there, if you are not meeting them often, chances are you might want to change your sources of women.
(Apps is terrible quality if you ask me, I will never go back to apps)

2) Once you find a better source of women, keep in mind that you will need to recalibrate your game to your new niche.
Girls from the church are not going to react the same way to the sexual directness you may have picked up from your app days... you will make mistakes, feel frustrated at the beginning and will make adjustments to the new girls.

You can do it, man.

 

[samuraijack]

I'm big on finding your "niche" / "Tribe". I go into it in more detail here. To give you some recommendations if I was in your position I would:

1. Download "Feeld" a "kink" dating app. Although there'll be girls who don't fit your criteria (hedonistic/too into drugs) there's definitely young well adjusted professional women who end up on there and will fit your sexual requirements.


2. Attend any class or workshop that is remotely self improvement orientated and will have a significant amount of women. These tend to be "trendy" and currently popular E.g.

• High end yoga classes in nice "younger" areas of NYC
• Vegan cooking workshops
• Meditation / exercise "retreats"
• Writing / poetry classes
• Dance classes (this is a slow burn and you'll need to get good for maximum results)

Building a semi-quasi social circle or at least being a part of different social circles by acting on the above would help with retention and dating these kind of girls on a longer term basis too.

Good luck man!

Thanks for the suggestions.

1. I already have Feeld but its not working great for me as opposed to the other dating apps. I actually just closed a girl from Feeld tonight. My one and only from the app so far. Had trouble getting it up and didnt cum tho .

2. Im definitely considering joining a meditation / yoga center. I meditate daily anyways. Theres one nearby my apartment. I'm careful not to pickup a hobby just for meeting people there, so ill definitely look into somethings im interested in doing.

I used to train muay thai and bjj but id never be social enough to chat with the regulars. Im hoping consistent cold approach will make me more social by default.

 

[samuraijack]

Now, I don't have my money together as you do so i couldn't focus mainly in dating but still I made a commitment to myself that I was going to date better women so I DLETED ALL MY DATING APPS and focused totally on daygame + cold messaging hot girls on Facebook (pretty sure that one is niche in some parts of Latin America and I won't suggest it to all regions).

One year later, I have a GF who is an absolute sweetheart, never drinks, never parties, super family and career oriented, sweet and the possibly most beautiful woman I have ever dated.
Yeah, she is VERY VERY DIFFERENT from the ones I used to date before... it took more time to get laid, she is not as adventuruos, more introverted and not nearly as sexually experienced which is not everyone's cup of tea... but she is top wife material.
I will not marry in the next couple of years but I´m seriously considering her for when the time comes.

Thats awesome, happy for you man. How did you meet her? Was it from your daygame or facebook messaging?

 

[ulrich]

No one can lie to me that beautiful women are harder. It's the essence of why it has driven a lot of guys in this society, crazy.

All things being equal, beautiful women are harder buuuuuut… there are many variables you can adjust.

A regular girl from a certain niche (party scene) may be harder to get than a hottie from other niche (church).

A regular girl from a certain region (Sinaloa in Mexico, for example) may be harder to get than a hottie from other region (Mexico City).

In all honesty, the most difficult women I have ever dated are:

1) An ugly whale I met through Tinder (she used photoshopped pics) with whom I stayed during half an hour in a date because I didn’t want to seem too shallow and exit right away (learned my lesson)

2) A pretty decent looking girl (an 8 if you may) who was also a hardcore feminist. Date was exhausting, never in my life had I such lengthy and tiresome frame battles.

But I guess you are already aware of it, my good @ZacAdam

 

[ulrich]

Thats awesome, happy for you man. How did you meet her? Was it from your daygame or facebook messaging?

Thank you!!

That specific one was from Facebook messaging but I dated a couple ones from daygame a little before her who were similar quality.

If you look, you will find. I assure you.

 

[trashKENNUT]

beautiful women are harder buuuuuut… there are many variables you can adjust.

That is the trap.
The manipulation is not the Facebook ads.
It is 'before the brain'.

z@c+

Maybe u are trolling me because i am already responding. Thus i am in your trap per se.

 

[Fuck This]

I listened to a podcast, and bought this book with the idea of having a meaningful LTR .

https://www.amazon.com/Love-Factually-Proven-Steps-Wish/dp/0986333204

https://www.artofmanliness.com/people/relationships/podcast-103-love-factually-with-dr-duana-welch/

You might see how the mindset is different than the Seduction one...

 

[Skills]

Need some motivation here...

I'm 33 and i'm at the age that I want to build something with an attractive (objectively) girl in her early 20's who shares similar values

I'm tired of my empty app hookups. Tired of empty cold approach hookups.

I'm like around 150 lays in now (65% from dating apps). Very few were actually hot enough i would wanna date.

I'm a hard introvert, who doesn't work currently (temporarily retired entrepreneur), doesn't have a social hobby or any other way of consistently meeting women outside of cold approach. I live in NYC.

I believe cold approach is currently the best and only way right now for me to accomplish this goal of mine...except

I don't know a single PUA that is happy with their dating life, or if they are, the girl they are with wasn't from cold approach (either social circle or dating app).

The "top" guys here i know might bang hot girls here and there. But they can never date them.

Does anyone have friends in the USA that have dating lives they are proud of? with hot girls from cold approach?

I guess im looking for reassurance before i dive back into cold approach.

^ this is normal, happens first at 23 then at 27, then around 33, again at 37 and againg around 43.... it gets exagerated when you learn your online dating angle... when i get home i will link my cold approach series... you got a go throught the trophy gf and trophy wife stage as well... the sweet spot to what you are.looking for is your 8.... but this is a journey you need to find out for yourself... 2 different skillset pick up and relatonsip... you can only master relationship by getting into relationships with totally conflicts cold approach pick up that is why your ny guys having issues... post is odd, but understand due to ny dudes mainly online as of late...quality in ny is bad to beging with the land of 7s...

edit the series i go into how cold approach looks like,:

Introduction To Cold Approach Pick up - The Skills Method

Cold approach pick up is the main important skill that someone should acquire to get good at seduction and it will help you with life in general.

www.theskillsmethod.com

What results to expect from cold approach pick up - The Skills Method

Disclaimer: This is based on my life experiences being cold approaching for more than 20 years. As always, you should do your own critical thinking and formulate your own conclusions. … Continue Reading →

www.theskillsmethod.com

Cold approach pick up part 3 - The Skills Method

In this final blog on the cold approach series, we discuss the concept of absolute advantage and how it relates to seduction.

www.theskillsmethod.com

 

[SexualHero]

Im sure someone is doing it, just wanted to hear stories. Cause The guys i know here in nyc are not tho unfortunately. I might just not know the real top guys here though, they probably dont associate with the majority of puas

I agree with Teevster, having sex is harder then dating them after having sex with them. Atleast, thats been my experience. I don't consider myself "real top pua" or whatever, but I had sex with hot girls in the past. I was not doing what you are asking, is because I didn't want to. Most guys who post here don't want ltr. So hot ones received same treatment from me as did not so hot ones. I let them know from start I am not looking for anything serious