Low vs High Body Count - What's Ideal? cont.

[Teevster]

NOTE: This is a discussion that initially took place in this thread. Because of the derail (partly caused by me) I moved the new discussion onto its own thread - this thread.

High value girl = Hot + Low body count + High social status

Why is low body count desirable to you? Just a curious question.

-T

 

[Spike]

Why is low body count desirable to you? Just a curious question

Because it is generally a good indicator of someone with strong impulse control

 

[Teevster]

Because it is generally a good indicator of someone with strong impulse control

Or good deception skills.

A low body count can also be associated with certain perversions (not the "fun" kind), psychological issues, or generally odd behavior.

That said, I also have to admit that a high body count can come with its own set of issues. This has already been discussed to death, but what is rarely discussed are the issues associated with low body count.

Overall, a normal, moderate body count is probably what you’d define as “healthy.” That goes for men too.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Because it is generally a good indicator of someone with strong impulse control

None sense and total kj... I been with low count girl that cheat and how count girl that doesn't cheat we talk about this forever...

Have you ever fucked girl that had sweetheart from highschool, and you banged...

Have you been with time machine women

 

[Spike]

Or good deception skills.

A low body count can also be associated with certain perversions (not the "fun" kind), psychological issues, or generally odd behavior.

I already knew this was going to be your rebuttal. Which is why I specifically said generally. The new girl who I’m forgetting her name I believe is a virgin. But I already know she’s damaged so her low lay count is irrelevant to me.

Which is the problem with isolating those factors. Say I do the same for “hot”.

I know plenty of hot girls that are psychopaths and would ruin your life if you had kids with them. Does that mean hot girls are not high quality? No. It’s all the factors come together. 2 of the girls who I’ve written about here had the trifecta of these characteristics.

You’ll also notice I said low count and not virgin. Which was one of the discussions I had in my private group a couple years ago on the fear of missing out factor. I prefer a girl had sex early on with 1 or 2 guys vs a virgin. Because when she gets with me. She will compare those guys (who will be around her age and therefore not know how to fuck girls right yet) to me. And know what is out there. Compared to a girl I just took her virginity who still doesn’t know what else is out there.

A couple weeks ago a girl I ran into a girl I took her virginity from 2 years ago. Since then she admitted to me she turned into a slut.

 

[Spike]

None sense and total kj... I been with low count girl that cheat and how count girl that doesn't cheat we talk about this forever

So have I. Has nothing to do with anything

 

[Skills]

Because it is generally a good indicator of someone with strong impulse control

In reference to this is not true in my experience...

 

[Spike]

In reference to this is not true in my experience...

Do you know what the word “generally” means? It means not always true. Meaning you can come up with exceptions. The exception proves the rule.

 

[Skills]

Do you know what the word “generally” means? It means not always true. Meaning you can come up with exceptions. The exception proves the rule.

She can just tell me dude i only ever had 1 guy... Done

 

[Spike]

She can just tell me dude i only ever had 1 guy... Done

And if you are a naive idiot with little to no relationship experience, I’m sure you would believe her

 

[Teevster]

I already knew this was going to be your rebuttal. Which is why I specifically said generally.

People like what they like. If you value low body counts, then that's a subjective opinion and I will not argue. I do however find some more objective problems with this. The first one being the epistemic problem of knowing whether or not she actually does have a low body count. Most women who claim to have a low body count tend to lie about it - in order to seduce men like you

This is a known fact.

The new girl who I’m forgetting her name I believe is a virgin. But I already know she’s damaged so her low lay count is irrelevant to me.

Which is the problem with isolating those factors. Say I do the same for “hot”.

I know plenty of hot girls that are psychopaths and would ruin your life if you had kids with them. Does that mean hot girls are not high quality? No. It’s all the factors come together. 2 of the girls who I’ve written about here had the trifecta of these characteristics.

You are referring to what is known as spurious correlations. I am fully aware of this. However, this is not what I am referring to. Rather, I am referring to the direct correlation between a low body count (i.e. below the mean or median, depending on how you choose to measure it) and abnormal behaviour - often exhibiting symptoms similar to arrested development.

I am of course excluding cofounding variables in my statement.

Which is the problem with isolating those factors. Say I do the same for “hot”.

I know plenty of hot girls that are psychopaths and would ruin your life if you had kids with them. Does that mean hot girls are not high quality? No. It’s all the factors come together. 2 of the girls who I’ve written about here had the trifecta of these characteristics.

This is the problem of dealing with cofounding variables. There are ways to deal with this issue, but I am not going to discuss this here as it would derail the thread.

You’ll also notice I said low count and not virgin. Which was one of the discussions I had in my private group a couple years ago on the fear of missing out factor. I prefer a girl had sex early on with 1 or 2 guys vs a virgin. Because when she gets with me. She will compare those guys (who will be around her age and therefore not know how to fuck girls right yet) to me.

Sure - I do consider this low body count, not in the sense that "they are holding temselves back", but rather a girl who has not yet fully started out.

And know what is out there. Compared to a girl I just took her virginity who still doesn’t know what else is out there.

Sure. But same applies for low body count girls. The craziest girl I have ever dealt with was a former low body count girl (was in a strict muslim relationship - we are talking Niqab level). And she was nuts. Like totally whack.

A couple weeks ago a girl I ran into a girl I took her virginity from 2 years ago. Since then she admitted to me she turned into a slut.

That's what happens to most women who are "low body count" for an extended period of time. They either snap out of it, and go on a dick-rampage, or they turn crazy. Or sometimes both.

-Teevster

 

[Spike]

Most women who claim to have a low body count tend to lie about it - in order to seduce men like you

I wouldn’t say most. But yes I’m aware girls lie about their body count. Some say less than their actual number. Some will say more than their actual number to appear more experienced than they actually are.

And she was nuts. Like totally whack

Yes. Which is why we differentiate low body count mentally stable girls from low body count mentally unstable girls.

That's what happens to most women who are "low body count" for an extended period of time. They either snap out of it, and go on a dick-rampage, or they turn crazy. Or sometimes both.

Most girls do not turn into full blown out whores. I know a couple that have. Including a couple of my girlfriend’s friends

 

[Skills]

People like what they like. If you value low body counts, then that's a subjective opinion and I will not argue. I do however find some more objective problems with this. The first one being the epistemic problem of knowing whether or not she actually does have a low body count. Most women who claim to have a low body count tend to lie about it - in order to seduce men like you

This is a known fact.



You are referring to what is known as spurious correlations. I am fully aware of this. However, this is not what I am referring to. Rather, I am referring to the direct correlation between a low body count (i.e. below the mean or median, depending on how you choose to measure it) and abnormal behaviour - often exhibiting symptoms similar to arrested development.

I am of course excluding cofounding variables in my statement.



This is the problem of dealing with cofounding variables. There are ways to deal with this issue, but I am not going to discuss this here as it would derail the thread.



Sure - I do consider this low body count, not in the sense that "they are holding temselves back", but rather a girl who has not yet fully started out.



Sure. But same applies for low body count girls. The craziest girl I have ever dealt with was a former low body count girl (was in a strict muslim relationship - we are talking Niqab level). And she was nuts. Like totally whack.



That's what happens to most women who are "low body count" for an extended period of time. They either snap out of it, and go on a dick-rampage, or they turn crazy. Or sometimes both.

-Teevster

This totally matches my experience... excellent

 

[Teevster]

I wouldn’t say most. But yes I’m aware girls lie about their body count. Some say less than their actual number. Some will say more than their actual number to appear more experienced than they actually are.

True. Although it is more or less a known fact that women tend to lie regarding body count, stating a lower number—compared to men, who tend to state a higher number. Women stating a higher number, although fully possible, usually constitute statistical outliers (exceptions).

Yes. Which is why we differentiate low body count mentally stable girls from low body count mentally unstable girls.

Sure there may be some heterogeneity within the subgroup. There is still a correlation between low body count and mental health problems. I mean this has been studied since the 1800 and is still a subject debated today.

Most girls do not turn into full blown out whores. I know a couple that have. Including a couple of my girlfriend’s friends

Again, individuals in this category tend to follow one of two trajectories: either they experience behavioral normalization ("snapping out of it") or they undergo a dramatic reversal, often manifesting as impulsive or reckless behavior. The latter is more likely if the desires and needs have been drastically supressed over time.

If neither of these adjustments occurs, there is a substantial likelihood of developing maladaptive behavioral patterns, which may, over time, evolve into psychological disorders.

For clarification, when I refer to a low body count, I specifically mean a body count that falls below the age-adjusted mean or median. This should not be mixed up with a “normal body count” or simply the absence of a high body count.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

Also, for the record, I am totally fine with someone preferring women with a low body count. One can have a preference without it necessarily being rationally founded.

In fact, I am the opposite of @Spike. I have a slight preference, and even at times a fetish, for women with a high body count. Yet I must admit that these high body count women are rarely fully sane or stable (nor are high body count men )

Very high body count women are seldom completely mentally stable. However, I am aware of this. If I want a long-term girlfriend who is stable, I believe the best option is a woman with a body count around the median for her age (plus or minus).

Anything that differs too much from the age-adjusted median tends to be associated with atypical psychological profiles - whether that difference is due to a low or high body count. If one is looking for mental stability, that's the indicator. This is my attempt to provide an objective criteria.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Another point i am going to make when guys catch onitis they will rationalize everything no different on what women do and throw check list to trash can...

So a dude wants a virgin that can cook and clean... Meet Amber heard and catch onitis doesn't matter...

I seen this a million times even from seducers i explained this a million times...

 

[mirror]

Very high body count women are seldom completely mentally stable. However, I am aware of this. If I want a long-term girlfriend who is stable, I believe the best option is a woman with a body count around the median for her age (plus or minus).

Hi Teev (@Teevster)

Do you have any reference regarding what numbers we would be thinking of in that case?

Regards!

 

[Spike]

True. Although it is more or less a known fact that women tend to lie regarding body count, stating a lower number—compared to men, who tend to state a higher number. Women stating a higher number, although fully possible, usually constitute statistical outliers (exceptions).

You’re not providing me with anything I didn’t already know.

women are valued for their Chasity (why a low body count (that should not be taken in isolation) is one of the 3 factors of a high quality girl) and men for their experience. I know this. Most people in this space know this. But then you commit the “if X is true then Y is true” logical fallacy. When you say most girls who claim are low body count are lying. Which is not true. That does not mean that girls do not lie about their body count. Just that most do not.

and the only times a girl will say a higher number than it actually is is when a girl knows you have a lot of experience and will try to match that because that’s what they think you want. This is common with gen z. Which @TomInHo has also experienced.

There is still a correlation between low body count and mental health problems

Got it. Because she isn’t loose with her pussy then there must be something wrong with her mentally.

Again, individuals in this category tend to follow one of two trajectories: either they experience behavioral normalization ("snapping out of it") or they undergo a dramatic reversal, often manifesting as impulsive or reckless behavior. The latter is more likely if the desires and needs have been drastically supressed over time

Then there are zero girls that have 1 or 5 partners in their 40s and 50s.. And if she claims to have 1 or 5 lifetime partners then she is lying. Also she is mentally insane because she didnt sleep around

 

[KJ Francis]

Very interesting to hear about atypical psychology of the very low count women. The really low count ones I've been with did seem kind of nuts but were also really religious. The really high count ones have definitely been nuts. Two of them claimed to have slept with about 100 men. Both great people.

What's the median, like 7? Does that mean you'd want a girl who's had about 5-7 or so? Which I guess would be the ones who say they've been with 3. In order to avoid the bitter girls - see infographic here:

How Many Partners Has Your Girlfriend Had? Find Out Here

Here's a post that's sure to raise some ire. Ricardus and I were discussing men's tendency to want to sleep with sexually open women, but to date or settle down with or marry sexually conservative women - and how difficult it is actually figuring out how many partners women have actually had...

www.girlschase.com

The article also cites a study about infidelity risk with higher partner counts.

Doesn't it all come down to sperm competition and mate guarding? If you are into ONS, then maybe high count is a bonus (open mindedness, sexual skill, ease of orgasm, etc). If you want a low maintenance rotation or a main/gf/etc, maybe you want a girl who is less of an active dater, more locked in and pair bonded. But if your skill level is really high maybe these matter less since the competition is less competitive.

 

[James D]

You’re not providing me with anything I didn’t already know.

women are valued for their Chasity (why a low body count (that should not be taken in isolation) is one of the 3 factors of a high quality girl) and men for their experience. I know this. Most people in this space know this. But then you commit the “if X is true then Y is true” logical fallacy. When you say most girls who claim are low body count are lying. Which is not true. That does not mean that girls do not lie about their body count. Just that most do not.

and the only times a girl will say a higher number than it actually is is when a girl knows you have a lot of experience and will try to match that because that’s what they think you want. This is common with gen z. Which @TomInHo has also experienced.

Got it. Because she isn’t loose with her pussy then there must be something wrong with her mentally.

Then there are zero girls that have 1 or 5 partners in their 40s and 50s.. And if she claims to have 1 or 5 lifetime partners then she is lying. Also she is mentally insane because she didnt sleep around.

100% agree.

Got it. Because she isn’t loose with her pussy then there must be something wrong with her mentally.

Lmao that one got me