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Took place last Thursday. It's been about 6 months since I quit OLD for good. I haven't been gaming actively for just as long as I'm focused on biz atm but have committed to exclusively seducing offline. This lay was unexpected but marks my first foray into this new chapter.
Laying the Groundwork
Last Thursday.
My cousin invites me out to a seminar at an art institution in the city. There’s a DJ set afterwards but my main intent for the evening is to catch up with my her as we’ve not done so in a while.
I have no intent in staying and even less intention to meet anybody.
For the past year business has overtaken pussy as my main area of improvement and it shows in my dress for the evening - basic black athletic shorts, a basic black tee. Black sneakers. I’m dressed for the gym, unshaven. Wild hair.
Before I step out, I check myself in the mirror, shrug, and reassure myself that I’m not going out to impress. My cousin has a date after the seminar anyway, so my plan is to leave when she does. To make matters worse the bus there is swelteringly hot and has me sweating like a pig. I’m really in no state to meet women.
First Ping
I arrive at the seminar slightly late, sit down beside my cousin, with a girl to my right.
The girl to my right seems cute, the darkness of the room considering, and she’s fanning herself with one of those Chinese fans in vogue with girls this summer.
I appreciate the secondhand breeze I'm receiving, and I tell her as much. She coyly states how she was trying not to disturb me with her fanning and then proceeds to fan heavier. We exchange a few words throughout the seminar and I get her name and country of origin.
I’m hoping to catch her after, but as soon as the seminar ends and the lights switch on she wishes me goodbye and heads out before I can slow her down.
My cousin convinces me to stay for the dj set as she has an hour to kill and I agree to.
We take position up by the booth and dance amongst ourselves.
Blonde Chick Hovers
We’ve been dancing and socialising amongst ourselves for perhaps half an hour, when I notice a girl plant herself against the wall near my cousin.
Blonde, richly tanned skin, slim and leggy.
She’s in a crop top that hugs her breasts. Tight midriff exposed. A low rise micro skirt. And black heeled sandals.
Not only is she sexy, but she stands out against the drably outfitted hipsters that make up the crowd.
She’s on my radar.
It’s not long before her and my cousin are deep in conversation.
My cousin radiates good energy and is generally a people loving person so I’m not surprised.
My mind goes to contemplating if blondey is using her as a stepping stone to get to me...
I observe in my peripherals, but mind my business, so to any observer appearing to be lost in my own world and the music.
My cousin is very intuitive (she’s also bi), and soon introduces me to the scantily clad - we’ll call her Jess.
I say hi, and shake her hand. Jess squeezes mine and comments on the strength of both mine and my cousin’s grips.
After these brief pleasantries, i back off and get back to dancing allowing my cousin and her to talk in peace.
Every now and again, when their convo lulls and she’s hanging back I’ll make small talk, a comment or two, and then bounce out giving her space to consider and engage me.
I do this as standard with all girls I seduce as I find it allows them to choose me (which you’ll see later they really appreciate) and it allows me to gauge their investment in the seduction.
After one such test Jess reengages me but this time leans into me.
To me, this is a clear sign of interest, and requires rewarding, so as she talks, I lean on the wall into her to signal the feeling is mutual.
As we talk I make sure to lean out periodically to give her space (and afford her some plausible deniability considering we’re in public) before leaning in again to reward her engagement.
There’s clearly something here and I wonder if i can make something of it.
My cousin says her goodbyes and heads out to her date asking if I’d like to accompany her. I tell her I’m staying.
Preselection. Testing Investment. Priming the Pull
Me and Jess chat a little more. And then we flit off to give each other space.
What’s interesting is while in convo with this girl I couldn’t help but notice the eyes of many of the of the other women in the room lock onto me.
I'm an online guy traditionally, never social circle and very rarely I daygame solo so Iit was actually quite startling to see live.
I’d be lost in convo, look up only to see one girl or another staring intently.
I use this preselection to bounce off of when I wasn’t talking to my main interest - say when she went off to the bar or off socialising with others. I’m not somebody that uses preselection in my stack much at all nor nightgames, so the eager reception I received upon opening was pretty amusing.
Predictably I’d find Jess hovering, not long into engaging one girl or another and so as not to trigger auto rejection I’d make sure to cut thread with the new girl, whilst casually acknowledging Jess before reengaging the accessory chick.
As time progresses I’m having less and less face time with Jess, as I’m mostly off doing my own thing socialising and dancing with myself. But periodically I’ll casually ping her to test her for investment, very light touch before disappearing again as I’m mindful not to cramp her style and bed down too early as i’m still not sure how committed she is to getting me.
I test warmly, and If I get nothing I give nothing.
For the majority of this period, she's perched by the wall where I initially met her. And I'm away in the center of the room dancing and drifiting amongst people.
I’ll also add that, there’s another guy in the building who is commanding a lot of attention and ‘appears’ more impressive than me.
Very charismatic.
Dancing enthusiastically and skilled at it, dreadlocks, piercings. A unique and edgy style.
She’s clearly signalling him and wants his attention and I’m very curious to see how this plays out.
I hang back and observe as I’m not a nightgamer and I’m always willing to learn from somebody “better”. If he makes off with her I’ll chalk it to the game. I’ve had plenty pussy in my life and there’s plenty more to come, whether hers or somebody else’s.
Pull 1
The DJs announce the last song and so I move over to her and ask if she has a busy day tomorrow.
She doesn’t.
I suggest we get a drink.
She inquires where and I say I’m in the mood for an adventure, I’ll find somewhere.
She pushes back saying, "it’s late aren’t bars closed?".
I say “Hmm maybe. But i’m sure we’ll find something”.
She pushes back again saying they have a bar at the venue we’re at and "I say i know but I’m feeling to explore a little..", then I interject by saying “lets see how we feel..”.
She agrees, then proceeds to leave the building. I hang back and let her go, assuming she’s gone, but if I find her waiting for me it’s probably on.
Then i exit too. She’s outside milling about the left side of the doors so I hang to the right and play on my phone in an area that’s quite visible and makes it easy to find me.
She comes over and says “so what are we doing?”.
I say heading to a hotel bar and we set off.
Before we can exit the venue grounds, the charismatic dude I mentioned earlier intercepts us, the one she was signalling.
He’s hella friendly and addresses me primarily, offering me a spliff (i don’t smoke), takes my details likely as a pivot to take her details (excellent game) and she’s eager to jump into a convo with him.
I hang back feigning distraction, whilst observing and looking up open hotel bars nearby. I find one and let her know casually which she acknowledges but remains in convo with dude. Then their conversation lulls, Jess asks me where we're going. We say our good byes and head out.
The Bar
We find our bar.
It’s hella grand and I’m mightily underdressed and shabby-looking for the place but idgaf.
We order drinks and conversation mainly consists of me letting her talk, leading the conversation by having her bounce around various subjects and asking inquiring questions.
I tease her sporadically.
Sexual frames are set by proximity, the knowing smirk on my face, eye contact and me having my hand on her exposed thighs (she’s in micro skirt remember) - she doesn’t resist.
It’s about about an hour in now, when the barmen announce the bar is closing and rush us out.
Drinks came to £58 (for two drinks mind you) and I’m not covering that all myself so I have them split the bill and we jet.
Pull 2
Outside I comment on how beautiful the summer night is, and then ask her if she’d like company on her journey home (mind you she lives on the far north end of the city, way out from where I live but fuck it..).
She asks if I’m such a gentleman that I’d be willing to see her safely home to her door only to go all the way back home, so late in the night. I shrug and tell her “why not? I just love an adventure..”.
She asks why not my place and then anticipates my answer that it’s a mess (which it is as I’ve been so locked in the past month on business and haven’t taken the time to clean it).
Game on - we’re boarding the Underground for the 30 minute journey to hers.
While on the train she gets to talking at me about her travels, her family history, her ex and the nature of their relationship, then compliments me on my ability to listen and attributes it to the fact that my family is female dominated (I grew up in a family where females outnumber men almost 3:1). This probably has something to do with it.
On arriving at her station I put my arm around her and she does the same to me and we walk and talk.
Arriving at her gate, I tell her that I’ve seen her home safeso I’ll be going, wink wink.
She obviously stops me. brings me in for a kiss and is all over me, moaning and everything. I have little interest in being out on the street macking so I ask for a glass of water. She ignores me and continues to stick her tongue down my throat.
After tolerating some more of this I ask again for a glass of water and we enter her place.
Couch → Shower → Sex
It’s lovely inside and I tell her as much.
She’s very hospitable providing me with water and chopped fruit. We talk some more, for perhaps a half hour, make out some more on the couch then she offers me a shower.
I jump at this as I’ve been marinating in my own sweat for 5 hours and theres no way I’m fucking her in this state. I was honestly about to ask her myself.
It turns out her shower knob is stuck on boiling.
She voices her upset saying she was hoping to have a shower with me. I tell her its cool I’ll do it ghetto style and bird bath out of her sink. She also offers me her toothbrush.
I bird bath, she comes into the bathroom while I do so, tries the shower again and this time its spouting cool water.
Excellent.
We shower together, sex in the shower. Sex in the bedroom.
Debrief.Confessions.Insight
After all is said and done I ask her when she decided she was into me.
She said she felt it was mutual when we were leaning into each other when we first were introduced by my cousin. She felt she should hold back in this moment because she was showing too much interest too early and appreciated that I leaned out and gave her space before she needed to.
She really pressed on the fact that I could take it or leave it and was impressed further by the fact that I was willing to turn around and go home after walking her home.
Conclusion
These days I approach women, seductions, and dates with the attitude to see what happens.
I’ve told this to @DoWhatWorks on a call we had last year, but when I meet women now my only goal is to show up & flirt. It’s weird, but since carrying this attitude, without fail, the women have escalated on me and moved things forward before I was caught up to them. Of the past 19 dates I’ve had, I’ve closed 18 the day I met her with them pressing things forward. Less is now much more.
Laying the Groundwork
Last Thursday.
My cousin invites me out to a seminar at an art institution in the city. There’s a DJ set afterwards but my main intent for the evening is to catch up with my her as we’ve not done so in a while.
I have no intent in staying and even less intention to meet anybody.
For the past year business has overtaken pussy as my main area of improvement and it shows in my dress for the evening - basic black athletic shorts, a basic black tee. Black sneakers. I’m dressed for the gym, unshaven. Wild hair.
Before I step out, I check myself in the mirror, shrug, and reassure myself that I’m not going out to impress. My cousin has a date after the seminar anyway, so my plan is to leave when she does. To make matters worse the bus there is swelteringly hot and has me sweating like a pig. I’m really in no state to meet women.
First Ping
I arrive at the seminar slightly late, sit down beside my cousin, with a girl to my right.
The girl to my right seems cute, the darkness of the room considering, and she’s fanning herself with one of those Chinese fans in vogue with girls this summer.
I appreciate the secondhand breeze I'm receiving, and I tell her as much. She coyly states how she was trying not to disturb me with her fanning and then proceeds to fan heavier. We exchange a few words throughout the seminar and I get her name and country of origin.
I’m hoping to catch her after, but as soon as the seminar ends and the lights switch on she wishes me goodbye and heads out before I can slow her down.
My cousin convinces me to stay for the dj set as she has an hour to kill and I agree to.
We take position up by the booth and dance amongst ourselves.
Blonde Chick Hovers
We’ve been dancing and socialising amongst ourselves for perhaps half an hour, when I notice a girl plant herself against the wall near my cousin.
Blonde, richly tanned skin, slim and leggy.
She’s in a crop top that hugs her breasts. Tight midriff exposed. A low rise micro skirt. And black heeled sandals.
Not only is she sexy, but she stands out against the drably outfitted hipsters that make up the crowd.
She’s on my radar.
It’s not long before her and my cousin are deep in conversation.
My cousin radiates good energy and is generally a people loving person so I’m not surprised.
My mind goes to contemplating if blondey is using her as a stepping stone to get to me...
I observe in my peripherals, but mind my business, so to any observer appearing to be lost in my own world and the music.
My cousin is very intuitive (she’s also bi), and soon introduces me to the scantily clad - we’ll call her Jess.
I say hi, and shake her hand. Jess squeezes mine and comments on the strength of both mine and my cousin’s grips.
After these brief pleasantries, i back off and get back to dancing allowing my cousin and her to talk in peace.
Every now and again, when their convo lulls and she’s hanging back I’ll make small talk, a comment or two, and then bounce out giving her space to consider and engage me.
I do this as standard with all girls I seduce as I find it allows them to choose me (which you’ll see later they really appreciate) and it allows me to gauge their investment in the seduction.
After one such test Jess reengages me but this time leans into me.
To me, this is a clear sign of interest, and requires rewarding, so as she talks, I lean on the wall into her to signal the feeling is mutual.
As we talk I make sure to lean out periodically to give her space (and afford her some plausible deniability considering we’re in public) before leaning in again to reward her engagement.
There’s clearly something here and I wonder if i can make something of it.
My cousin says her goodbyes and heads out to her date asking if I’d like to accompany her. I tell her I’m staying.
Preselection. Testing Investment. Priming the Pull
Me and Jess chat a little more. And then we flit off to give each other space.
What’s interesting is while in convo with this girl I couldn’t help but notice the eyes of many of the of the other women in the room lock onto me.
I'm an online guy traditionally, never social circle and very rarely I daygame solo so Iit was actually quite startling to see live.
I’d be lost in convo, look up only to see one girl or another staring intently.
I use this preselection to bounce off of when I wasn’t talking to my main interest - say when she went off to the bar or off socialising with others. I’m not somebody that uses preselection in my stack much at all nor nightgames, so the eager reception I received upon opening was pretty amusing.
Predictably I’d find Jess hovering, not long into engaging one girl or another and so as not to trigger auto rejection I’d make sure to cut thread with the new girl, whilst casually acknowledging Jess before reengaging the accessory chick.
As time progresses I’m having less and less face time with Jess, as I’m mostly off doing my own thing socialising and dancing with myself. But periodically I’ll casually ping her to test her for investment, very light touch before disappearing again as I’m mindful not to cramp her style and bed down too early as i’m still not sure how committed she is to getting me.
I test warmly, and If I get nothing I give nothing.
For the majority of this period, she's perched by the wall where I initially met her. And I'm away in the center of the room dancing and drifiting amongst people.
I’ll also add that, there’s another guy in the building who is commanding a lot of attention and ‘appears’ more impressive than me.
Very charismatic.
Dancing enthusiastically and skilled at it, dreadlocks, piercings. A unique and edgy style.
She’s clearly signalling him and wants his attention and I’m very curious to see how this plays out.
I hang back and observe as I’m not a nightgamer and I’m always willing to learn from somebody “better”. If he makes off with her I’ll chalk it to the game. I’ve had plenty pussy in my life and there’s plenty more to come, whether hers or somebody else’s.
Pull 1
The DJs announce the last song and so I move over to her and ask if she has a busy day tomorrow.
She doesn’t.
I suggest we get a drink.
She inquires where and I say I’m in the mood for an adventure, I’ll find somewhere.
She pushes back saying, "it’s late aren’t bars closed?".
I say “Hmm maybe. But i’m sure we’ll find something”.
She pushes back again saying they have a bar at the venue we’re at and "I say i know but I’m feeling to explore a little..", then I interject by saying “lets see how we feel..”.
She agrees, then proceeds to leave the building. I hang back and let her go, assuming she’s gone, but if I find her waiting for me it’s probably on.
Then i exit too. She’s outside milling about the left side of the doors so I hang to the right and play on my phone in an area that’s quite visible and makes it easy to find me.
She comes over and says “so what are we doing?”.
I say heading to a hotel bar and we set off.
Before we can exit the venue grounds, the charismatic dude I mentioned earlier intercepts us, the one she was signalling.
He’s hella friendly and addresses me primarily, offering me a spliff (i don’t smoke), takes my details likely as a pivot to take her details (excellent game) and she’s eager to jump into a convo with him.
I hang back feigning distraction, whilst observing and looking up open hotel bars nearby. I find one and let her know casually which she acknowledges but remains in convo with dude. Then their conversation lulls, Jess asks me where we're going. We say our good byes and head out.
The Bar
We find our bar.
It’s hella grand and I’m mightily underdressed and shabby-looking for the place but idgaf.
We order drinks and conversation mainly consists of me letting her talk, leading the conversation by having her bounce around various subjects and asking inquiring questions.
I tease her sporadically.
Sexual frames are set by proximity, the knowing smirk on my face, eye contact and me having my hand on her exposed thighs (she’s in micro skirt remember) - she doesn’t resist.
It’s about about an hour in now, when the barmen announce the bar is closing and rush us out.
Drinks came to £58 (for two drinks mind you) and I’m not covering that all myself so I have them split the bill and we jet.
Pull 2
Outside I comment on how beautiful the summer night is, and then ask her if she’d like company on her journey home (mind you she lives on the far north end of the city, way out from where I live but fuck it..).
She asks if I’m such a gentleman that I’d be willing to see her safely home to her door only to go all the way back home, so late in the night. I shrug and tell her “why not? I just love an adventure..”.
She asks why not my place and then anticipates my answer that it’s a mess (which it is as I’ve been so locked in the past month on business and haven’t taken the time to clean it).
Game on - we’re boarding the Underground for the 30 minute journey to hers.
While on the train she gets to talking at me about her travels, her family history, her ex and the nature of their relationship, then compliments me on my ability to listen and attributes it to the fact that my family is female dominated (I grew up in a family where females outnumber men almost 3:1). This probably has something to do with it.
On arriving at her station I put my arm around her and she does the same to me and we walk and talk.
Arriving at her gate, I tell her that I’ve seen her home safeso I’ll be going, wink wink.
She obviously stops me. brings me in for a kiss and is all over me, moaning and everything. I have little interest in being out on the street macking so I ask for a glass of water. She ignores me and continues to stick her tongue down my throat.
After tolerating some more of this I ask again for a glass of water and we enter her place.
Couch → Shower → Sex
It’s lovely inside and I tell her as much.
She’s very hospitable providing me with water and chopped fruit. We talk some more, for perhaps a half hour, make out some more on the couch then she offers me a shower.
I jump at this as I’ve been marinating in my own sweat for 5 hours and theres no way I’m fucking her in this state. I was honestly about to ask her myself.
It turns out her shower knob is stuck on boiling.
She voices her upset saying she was hoping to have a shower with me. I tell her its cool I’ll do it ghetto style and bird bath out of her sink. She also offers me her toothbrush.
I bird bath, she comes into the bathroom while I do so, tries the shower again and this time its spouting cool water.
Excellent.
We shower together, sex in the shower. Sex in the bedroom.
Debrief.Confessions.Insight
After all is said and done I ask her when she decided she was into me.
She said she felt it was mutual when we were leaning into each other when we first were introduced by my cousin. She felt she should hold back in this moment because she was showing too much interest too early and appreciated that I leaned out and gave her space before she needed to.
She really pressed on the fact that I could take it or leave it and was impressed further by the fact that I was willing to turn around and go home after walking her home.
Conclusion
These days I approach women, seductions, and dates with the attitude to see what happens.
I’ve told this to @DoWhatWorks on a call we had last year, but when I meet women now my only goal is to show up & flirt. It’s weird, but since carrying this attitude, without fail, the women have escalated on me and moved things forward before I was caught up to them. Of the past 19 dates I’ve had, I’ve closed 18 the day I met her with them pressing things forward. Less is now much more.
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i reckon ill be bringing her in more excursions..
it’s bad for your blood pressure