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Kvothe

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Was out last night with @Skippy and we went to one of my favorite spots from when I was younger. We had gone there Friday night as well, but Saturday was much better of a night in terms of the clientele. We were actually waiting in line when I open the girl next to us (around 10:15PM). Very indirect, mostly to build some social proof at that point, and because we’re looking at like 30 minutes in line before we can get let in.

Skippy and I talk, and he lets me build the vibe between myself and the girl. She is wearing a revealing dress that displays ample curves. We talk of a lot of things in line, and I (with help from Skippy) move the conversation to more SOTs. She is receptive. It turns out she’s actually a lone traveler visiting from another country, and is here by herself. I connect with her on solo traveling and use it to discuss spontaneity and adventure a bit.

At one point, a bouncer comes up to bring her up, and she follows, and waves bye to us without much of a second glance. Apparently he wasn’t pointing to her, and she had to come back to us. I give her some shit playfully about ditching us. She comes closer to me at that point, and when we reach the bouncer, I let her tell the bouncer that we’re a group of 3. This helps skippy and I get in. Once we’re in the bar, I tell her I’ll give her a quick tour, and link arms with her while showing her around. There’s also some sexual content starting to percolate the conversations.

At the roof, I buy us shots, and then we grab some seats. Skippy has left us at this point to do some approaching of his own. My girl asks about this, and I say we’d spent the whole day together, and I thought he wanted to go meet some people. Use this to transition into how one of the most exciting parts of traveling is meeting new people. I mention how people come in three flavors, creeps, friends, and lovers (paraphrased). She asks which of the three she is to me, and I slightly screw up by denying her an answer. Instead I should have put myself in the meta frame and told her she had the potential to be a lover, and then given her some hoops to jump through to fit my criteria.

I move us around again, and she calls me impatient/easily irritated. The reason for this is that our previous sitting spot was getting jostled a lot by passerbys, since it was near the stairs. I said that when i see something I don’t like, or that I want to change, I do the actions that I want to fix the problem.

At some point I have her tell me some of her most interesting stories from her travels. Then I use this to share a few stories that I use to build some contrast, as well as some sexual frames. Using gay guys to deliver sexual material that is explicit without it being about me, while displaying my liberated frames. At this point she’s more comfortable, so she tells me a story about how she met a guy and went to his room with a prostitute, but refused to have sex because she didn’t want to do a threesome. I qualified on her open-mindedness while praising her ability to stay true to herself and her own boundaries. She makes a comment, and I transition into a story about a friend who hooked up with a guy who couldn’t find the friend’s clit. Then I use this to transition to sexual frustration gambit.

At this point, we are moved from our sitting spot because it’s being used for reservations. We run into skippy again, and try to find a place to sit, but can’t find any. I signal to skippy to go somewhere else and not join us. He gets the message and leaves us again, but because we don’t find a spot to sit, I suggest going downstairs (the dance floor) to sit. This is a mistake because it’s stupid to talk in a loud area when the two of us are in a great bubble. Going downstairs initially doesn’t break the bubble, but it’s crowded and noisy and more bustling. I also suddenly need to pee, and so go to use the bathroom. When I’m back the vibe is basically gone. She’s no longer the compliant girl she was earlier in the night. I suggest moving back upstairs, and she declines, so I tell her I want to go find skippy to check on him and make sure he’s okay.
 

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It turns out she’s actually a lone traveler visiting from another country, and is here by herself. I connect with her on solo traveling and use it to discuss spontaneity and adventure a bit.
Totally dtf... also krove since you travel a lot this couple of fluff banter has worked for me multiple times with different girls when you get a chance take a look
At the roof, I buy us shots, and then we grab some seats. Skippy has left us at this point to do some approaching of his own. My girl asks about this, and I say we’d spent the whole day together, and I thought he wanted to go meet some people. Use this to transition into how one of the most exciting parts of traveling is meeting new people. I mention how people come in three flavors, creeps, friends, and lovers (paraphrased). She asks which of the three she is to me, and I slightly screw up by denying her an answer. Instead I should have put myself in the meta frame and told her she had the potential to be a lover, and then given her some hoops to jump through to fit my criteria.
as i told you i love the routine, your version way more than the other version... but yeah you miss that opportunity here...Again i would have looked at her up and down mischievous and say i don't know, maybe a future lover not sure yet...
I move us around again, and she calls me impatient/easily irritated. The reason for this is that our previous sitting spot was getting jostled a lot by passerbys, since it was near the stairs. I said that when i see something I don’t like, or that I want to change, I do the actions that I want to fix the problem.
it seems you were focusing too much on isolation and she noticed, and maybe bothered her..
At this point, we are moved from our sitting spot because it’s being used for reservations. We run into skippy again, and try to find a place to sit, but can’t find any. I signal to skippy to go somewhere else and not join us. He gets the message and leaves us again, but because we don’t find a spot to sit, I suggest going downstairs (the dance floor) to sit.
again it seems she sense you had an agenda and focusing too much on isolation, i would have interacted with wing a bit and then give signal wing would have left you after a bit of fluff anyways... (unless clueless wing, but skippy knows)..... There is also something call a hub, like a place were friends meet periodically leave and come back again...
This is a mistake because it’s stupid to talk in a loud area when the two of us are in a great bubble. Going downstairs initially doesn’t break the bubble, but it’s crowded and noisy and more bustling.
Here i would have done more a dance floor or physical game, vs convo.....This actually would have worked great with this girl...
I also suddenly need to pee, and so go to use the bathroom. When I’m back the vibe is basically gone. She’s no longer the compliant girl she was earlier in the night. I suggest moving back upstairs, and she declines, so I tell her I want to go find skippy to check on him and make sure he’s okay.

she actually was compliant cause she waited for your return from the bathroom (huge compliance)..... There is not need to move them around from club to club or floor to floor a club unless start dying out, or the club gets boring... Is not the same as dating style bouncing(though i can see if was your attempt to revive the vibe)... It seems she wanted more of a club experience/or an experience interacting with different people, drinking dancing, feeling the night vs a one on one lets do some isolation right away toward the sex, specially new in town visiting(you lack patience in this one)... Also you should have found out what she wanted to do, give her chances to give you input....

i heard many women complain about guys were they were in the club, they were having so much fun with a guy, and the dudes were like lets get out of here (aka isolation fuck place), and the girls were not ready yet, they were like i am having fun, but the guys never gave them a chance to let them have fun or ask for input on what they wanted to do, specially the out of towners... The girls then get pissed cause the one track mind of agenda (isolation to fuck) were they don't feel they are having input or having fun experiencing the night.... That end up getting upset and ditching the dude, cause they feel they guys never gave them input of what they wanted to do. This is similar to what i speculate happen with this girl...

Anyways, shit like this happen good learning experience...
 

Kvothe

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Good notes on seeming to methodical-need to work on that.

Other aspects I agree with. I'm thinking maybe I should have just stayed in set.

Will make sure to take girl's options into account in the future.
 
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The girls then get pissed cause the one track mind of agenda (isolation to fuck) were they don't feel they are having input or having fun experiencing the night.... That end up getting upset and ditching the dude, cause they feel they guys never gave them input of what they wanted to do. This is similar to what i speculate happen with this girl...
That's interesting, I deff been guilty of the one track mind of "let's fuck or next girl", even with girls that were kinda compliant (I guess that was me overcompensating for girls 'wasting my time" before - girls just wanting validation, or me failing to close lol)
 

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That's interesting, I deff been guilty of the one track mind of "let's fuck or next girl", even with girls that were kinda compliant (I guess that was me overcompensating for girls 'wasting my time" before - girls just wanting validation, or me failing to close lol)
No i am talking on the context of "force isolation" when the girl is not in the same page at the time for example she wants a bit of dancing and the seducer wants isolation....i am not saying no to lead, you still have to lead and not be to accomodating, you will lose the girl if you are accomodating and no lead...i am talking more of a force isolation concept..
 

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.i am not saying no to lead, you still have to lead and not be to accomodating, you will lose the girl if you are accomodating and no lead...i am talking more of a force isolation concept..
Yup, I get it, always gotta be leading, it's just sometimes you can't skip steps, I guess... It's like you're trying to play too aggressive and the girl is not quite ready for it, then you just lose a girl you would have, have you been a bit more chill.

Also there's those girls in clubs that are getting ready to fuck and just want the guy to spike their horniness on the dance floor and take them home (or to a dirty bathroom or alley), but they guy thinks he has to take them to sit on a smoking area and talk about their dreams... Like deep dive is cool but if the girl is ready you just wanna gooo
 
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