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OK, first thanks for making the recording. If you've been bold enough to try the mode one style game before, then at least that makes you different from most guys who are highly critical of the approach and yet have never had the experienced of doing it. So, respect for that, I guess.
I understand the points you are making. It's very clear. However, in a thread that has been nitpicked to Valhalla and back, I do have to nitpick a few things.
Your example
I don't know if you exaggerated your example of sexual direct to make a point or if you have actually done it that way. To me, what you did was the verbal equivalent of grabbing a stranger girl by her tits and her ass at the same time. Yes, you were direct, yes you were sexual ... but if I did it that way, it wouldn't come across as authentic. I think there's a difference between blatantly trying to turn a girl on (= try-hard) and unapologetically conveying your authentic sexual desires. Though you do have a good voice for sex talk.
Usually when a mode one/direct type approach results in a close for me, it was more of a verbal escalation, I'm dealing with shock, shit tests, token resistance, even mild insults, followed by compliments like "I've never met a guy like you" if it goes well. All the time, I'm being non-needy and trying to pay attention to her body language and calibrate accordingly. Also, I usually combine it with wit, which just works better for me, it tends to soften the girl up and appeals to those sapiosexual types. And yes, there's also some small talk/getting to know you type stuff, that's unavoidable. Girls are curious creatures.
Now let's say you met a girl in that scenario you described and she let you do all that dirty talk without any objection and gave you IOIs that indicated she was turned on, then you should probably just take her to the toilet and fuck her there I guess.
Like I said, I don't know if your example of direct was exaggerated to help you make a point or if that's how you characterise the direct sexual approach. Onto the next point ...
Flipping the dynamic
I get your point, you feel going indirect is more effective because you get past the girl's slut defences and flip the dynamic where she's the hunter and you're the prey. Well, this often happens with direct too (see below), usually when you express your sexual desires but at the same time you're extremely non-needy and especially if there's some barrier (e.g. "I'd fuck the shit out of you but I can't because ...."). However, you're right that indirect sexual is that way by design.
Addressing concerns
You say going indirect allows you to "address the girl's concerns". Here's a couple of thoughts:
1) Maybe, but how can the girl possibly know for sure you're not going to pump and dump, cum in 2 seconds, stalk her, become possessive, etc etc before she's had sex with you? It's not like sales where you can offer a money-back guarantee.
2) You can address those concerns in a direct interaction as well:
pump and dump -- if you tell her you want casual sex, then there's no misunderstanding about what you want. If she's very relationship-oriented she'll reject you, so you don't waste your time (see below).
"Am I gonna get used?" -- again, this is irrelevant, you're offering to exchange orgasms
"Is this guy possessive? / Is he a stalker?" -- if you were bold enough to approach her direct, you probably have other women so it's unlikely
Is he going to cum in 2 seconds? -- she can probably guess that you're a good lover by your non needy vibe, boldness and dirty talk skills
Is he a creep? -- I don't know what that means in this context. To me, a creep would be a guy who's verbally very indirect and physically very direct, e.g. a guy who's talking about politics and trying to grope the girl's ass at the same time (yes, I knew a guy like that!)
I'm glad you mentioned that conference and this will help solidify my points. About that conference, I got a k close (the girl you're talking about), a f*** close a few days later from another girl I met there and a date the following day with another girl which did not result in any close. I may have been able to meet up with one or two more if it wasn't for this shitty digital business card app my friend installed for me which wasn't sharing contact information properly but I digress.
With the two girls that I closed, I was fully honest about my desires and intentions. The girl that I f*** closed actually suggested we fuck. I was honest about my desires with her but there was a barrier, which I won't get into, but it probably helped build the sexual tension. The one that I k closed unfortunately I couldn't take it further, maybe I wasn't pushy enough, miscalibrated or something. She was pretty hot, though.
Ironically, the date that went nowhere, I was actually indirect, not direct. Yes, I did try indirect sexual stuff. The girl was keen, but was clearly relationship-oriented and didn't want to get physical on the first date. I could have told her about the 7 orgasms, 25 orgasms or whatever, it wouldn't have made a difference. Of course, I could have dated her a few more times, but then I'd be misleading her which I don't want to do.
By being indirect, I wasted 2-3 or more hours of my time, plus bought her food and drink, and probably left her disappointed as she expecting me to text her again. Would I have got laid by being direct? Probably not, as she was very relationship-oriented, but I would have saved my time and money. I say "probably not", not "definitely not" because I have got laid in the past by being direct on a girl who initially made it very clear she only has sex in the context of a meaningful relationship. When I asked her later if she would have gone to bed if I was more indirect, she said probably not -- I made it so clear what I wanted that she thought, "why not?" Whatever that means. Point is, there's no guarantee of pussy or lack of pussy by switching to another approach with a particular girl.
And this is the problem I have with you indirect enthusiasts -- there's no guarantee that I would have got the pussy if I was more indirect with a given girl ... and conversely, IF EVERYTHING IS EXECUTED PROPERLY, there's also no guarantee of non pussy if I went direct.
But, for the sake of argument, let's say @Skills is right about the odds, so what, fuck the odds. There are specific advantages to going direct as I've discussed with @Vision which go beyond odds. I think I'm done with this topic, there's not much more to add.
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