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I went to Owen Cook’s free event this weekend. Thought I’d share my impressions, since some of you may have done similar things.
It was on Sat and Sun 3-11 but there a long delay before Owen appeared. He finally came on around 10pm and spoke until around 2am). The first 7–8 hours were assistants running exercises and warmups — lots of chanting, lots of words. The vibe was earnest, almost cultic at times, not necessarily “bad,” but it felt engineered.
When Owen did come out, it was the full waterfall of words, spirituality first, then the pivot to game. Toward the very end came the sales pitch: $1,000 for the impromptu weekend bootcamp (night game + day game + materials + coaching). I didn't do it. It was not about the money — I could have swung it, and not even about the way it was framed, though I respond better to straight offers than last-minute springs.
I felt the framing pressure though. My body said: “Not this time.” And once I made that call, the inertia carried me forward.
It wasn’t all negative. Owen has certainty and charisma — he’s built an empire out of this, and you can’t fake that. I believe he makes money and gets women. He’s endured a lot, and he’s still carrying load for his business and his family but the format — the endless words, spirituality stuff, about the bible and stuff i've thought about since being a teenager, the dangling of access (“parties,” success stories, money claims), the pressure at the end — left me feeling like I’d seen this before, because I have. 20+ years ago in the UK, 10 years ago in Croatia with Daniel, now again. Always the same pattern: engineered high, pressure to act, then the dangle.
A few points-first, i didn't even have to go. Honestly. I went because i remember owen from way back when when he was starting out when i took his course in the UK trailing mystery's, where i was studying abroad. I wanted to rendezvous if he was in town, but i didn't have to go.
Second and this is no joke nothing wrong with game but i honestly thought his stuff was broader now and mixed gender- and not about game, based on him showing up on tiktok but it was all the same macho guy and game stuff.
But anyway regards game, books, seminars, and hype won’t help me. They never really did. What I need — what I think many men need — is fabric, a place in a good society where women and men are in real community, where things show, like I briefly had in church (minus the dogma bs). That fabric created opportunities naturally. Outside of that, everything feels forced, cultic, or noisy. I got some of that the sunday other people were in the seminar- at the ren fest. I am a man that hates to HANG out and do nothing. What a waste of time. I can though just hang out at the ren fest. it's not any one thing, or amazing necessarily but it's a place where there's life-- and i talked to a really cute younger fairy- who was entertaining me. she was young and cute- i was like why is she being so engaging with me. Then i talked to Xena- i call her, a big tall fit but attractive woman with a sword, who laughed at all the things i said as she sat their picking at her turkey leg. no joke- and she is a marine actually- served in the marine core. Crazy shit and also had some good mead. I made a mistake of doing daniel badboy's camp on a croatian island over ten years ago when i was fucking invited to a girl's place in england that i never made it to. See zooming out i realized i did this game stuff in around 2003 in the UK, and then i did that camp in about 2013 and then I didn't do anything now in 2025 except go to a free tour to meet up with a guy i used to know so it's about a decade each pass but it is what it is. Zooming out is the best way to understand things
So here’s my question for anyone who’s been at this a while:
For me, the biggest clarity this weekend wasn’t about “game” at all — it was learning about people, and learning I need fabric- where things show up and where one's qualities can become visible naturally, organic environments if possible.
And yeah the money is nothing. I believe he takes a loss on the 1k-- but i believe he also got a business built through intelligence and maybe that's a way to upsell and i am not saying he doesn't deliver value but there is regret lacing in his speech. He induces second guessing- not so much in me. I think i had those thoughts emerge but i broke the saruman spell but them's some pretty dark arts and he mentioned just once or twice about parties he has and sometimes students go there- it was very casual and i don't think it's a lie but i think nothing is by accident. I can see how hyped up youngungs would pay in the hopes that they get to go -- and maybe some will but not the many and I believe things like this might lead people to paying for more and more-- and i'm not saying he's lying. I'm just saying these drops and dangles serve him and i don't like to be chasing.
Oh and also -- I was listening to everything when he finally came on though it was late. i was writing on my notes different things, math equations, greek, and then he started talking about this mountain, nature which was kind of cool.. he looked at me and made eye contact -- he broke eye contact first, after like twenty seconds, to the side... but yeah he's not bad he's not good he just is. he's impressive in many ways. in many ways i could have been. His first seminar i did he said i improved the most but i didn't see it as an improvement. he saw me talk to this one group i guess and he was impressed but it wasn't later in the thing and i kind of remember it - something just motivated me i don't know what- maybe just to show them i can do their method too i don't know but he was impressed but i didn't see it as organic growth. I saw it as me choosing to perform or being inspired to perform in that instant. that was like 22 years ago so i thought we had a connection that might be worth remembering and i thought going into this, hell i might see him before it starts, at like 2:55 and we give each other a hug or something. i know he has three kids. That was my mindset going to this place and i didn't know what to expect but that's what happened.
And i was never that into the game (community). there's a lot of people i never met- never met julian, jeffy, jlaix or a bunch of people but i did meet mystery and tyler ofc and badboy and shark and juggler and some others and i did see style one time just in passing. I always liked the natural approach. I remember studying in scotland and loving and cherishing my hallmates in a mixed dorm. being freshman or the equivalent, they impressed me so much with their maturity compared to my United States countrymen, and no game no bs energy. how could i betray that, leading a double life and shit- I wish i still had contact with them or some of them-- and though i wasn't in it much and though it's nothing to be ashamed of, nevertheless i have not shared or opened up much to anyone off or even online anonymously about my limited backstory in it but i think it might be heathy to do so now, so voila. I don't have much to share but that's a slice. Tyler/Owen shares everything. In terms of values and motives and life experience, he's way different than my cousin, who owns a drone company but in terms of energy and passion for what they do, and also body type and also voice itself and meter and cadence but the actual voice omg they are clones so it was cool being able to compare and humanize him in that way, which also helps kinda break any spell that may form. Yeah i'm spilling all my thoughts, not keeping my cards close on this.
It was on Sat and Sun 3-11 but there a long delay before Owen appeared. He finally came on around 10pm and spoke until around 2am). The first 7–8 hours were assistants running exercises and warmups — lots of chanting, lots of words. The vibe was earnest, almost cultic at times, not necessarily “bad,” but it felt engineered.
When Owen did come out, it was the full waterfall of words, spirituality first, then the pivot to game. Toward the very end came the sales pitch: $1,000 for the impromptu weekend bootcamp (night game + day game + materials + coaching). I didn't do it. It was not about the money — I could have swung it, and not even about the way it was framed, though I respond better to straight offers than last-minute springs.
I felt the framing pressure though. My body said: “Not this time.” And once I made that call, the inertia carried me forward.
It wasn’t all negative. Owen has certainty and charisma — he’s built an empire out of this, and you can’t fake that. I believe he makes money and gets women. He’s endured a lot, and he’s still carrying load for his business and his family but the format — the endless words, spirituality stuff, about the bible and stuff i've thought about since being a teenager, the dangling of access (“parties,” success stories, money claims), the pressure at the end — left me feeling like I’d seen this before, because I have. 20+ years ago in the UK, 10 years ago in Croatia with Daniel, now again. Always the same pattern: engineered high, pressure to act, then the dangle.
A few points-first, i didn't even have to go. Honestly. I went because i remember owen from way back when when he was starting out when i took his course in the UK trailing mystery's, where i was studying abroad. I wanted to rendezvous if he was in town, but i didn't have to go.
Second and this is no joke nothing wrong with game but i honestly thought his stuff was broader now and mixed gender- and not about game, based on him showing up on tiktok but it was all the same macho guy and game stuff.
But anyway regards game, books, seminars, and hype won’t help me. They never really did. What I need — what I think many men need — is fabric, a place in a good society where women and men are in real community, where things show, like I briefly had in church (minus the dogma bs). That fabric created opportunities naturally. Outside of that, everything feels forced, cultic, or noisy. I got some of that the sunday other people were in the seminar- at the ren fest. I am a man that hates to HANG out and do nothing. What a waste of time. I can though just hang out at the ren fest. it's not any one thing, or amazing necessarily but it's a place where there's life-- and i talked to a really cute younger fairy- who was entertaining me. she was young and cute- i was like why is she being so engaging with me. Then i talked to Xena- i call her, a big tall fit but attractive woman with a sword, who laughed at all the things i said as she sat their picking at her turkey leg. no joke- and she is a marine actually- served in the marine core. Crazy shit and also had some good mead. I made a mistake of doing daniel badboy's camp on a croatian island over ten years ago when i was fucking invited to a girl's place in england that i never made it to. See zooming out i realized i did this game stuff in around 2003 in the UK, and then i did that camp in about 2013 and then I didn't do anything now in 2025 except go to a free tour to meet up with a guy i used to know so it's about a decade each pass but it is what it is. Zooming out is the best way to understand things
So here’s my question for anyone who’s been at this a while:
- Did you find that these events/bootcamps gave you more than a short-term “seminar high”? I didn't even feel high btw. People always laughed at what i said, the instructors loved me and the other people but then as has happened before even in non game related things but when someone is trying to run a business, even though i intend to harmonize, my frame clashes with the main man trying to run a business, so i usually keep silent. I think i might have more in common with Owen than anyone else there but i am the Roark to his wynand a little bit but he makes the money and gets the girls but the key for me is not caring. Not coping. genuinely doing my best and not giving a fuck about what i can't control, and trying to learn and be better and learn from my mistakes- and one of the mistakes is going to seminars where one gets invalidated. I was so invalidated not directly but effectively at Daniel Nesek's thing in croatia when i could have been in england fucking someone or at least meeting her family, a sweet girl always nice to me i was in a TEFL course with years ago. I have found in this world men need more and more validation and great men don't let themselves be invalidated. BTW Owen, this is not a moral judgement but an observation- that guy self advocates like fuck all. I'm not even talking about the opening of his speech when he talked about how much money he made and the girls he gets. I get that. That made sense but it's the little stuff, how spiritually realized he is, this and that, how much load he bore running a company, how he was first etc etc created an industry. No hate. I'm just saying i have done my share of things and i don't advocate half but maybe i should. Maybe that's key and i don't promote myself enough- not to you guys but to people by and by. He is a hyper self advocate and i have not been.
- And if not, how did you actually go about finding or building the kind of fabric that makes things flow naturally?
For me, the biggest clarity this weekend wasn’t about “game” at all — it was learning about people, and learning I need fabric- where things show up and where one's qualities can become visible naturally, organic environments if possible.
And yeah the money is nothing. I believe he takes a loss on the 1k-- but i believe he also got a business built through intelligence and maybe that's a way to upsell and i am not saying he doesn't deliver value but there is regret lacing in his speech. He induces second guessing- not so much in me. I think i had those thoughts emerge but i broke the saruman spell but them's some pretty dark arts and he mentioned just once or twice about parties he has and sometimes students go there- it was very casual and i don't think it's a lie but i think nothing is by accident. I can see how hyped up youngungs would pay in the hopes that they get to go -- and maybe some will but not the many and I believe things like this might lead people to paying for more and more-- and i'm not saying he's lying. I'm just saying these drops and dangles serve him and i don't like to be chasing.
Oh and also -- I was listening to everything when he finally came on though it was late. i was writing on my notes different things, math equations, greek, and then he started talking about this mountain, nature which was kind of cool.. he looked at me and made eye contact -- he broke eye contact first, after like twenty seconds, to the side... but yeah he's not bad he's not good he just is. he's impressive in many ways. in many ways i could have been. His first seminar i did he said i improved the most but i didn't see it as an improvement. he saw me talk to this one group i guess and he was impressed but it wasn't later in the thing and i kind of remember it - something just motivated me i don't know what- maybe just to show them i can do their method too i don't know but he was impressed but i didn't see it as organic growth. I saw it as me choosing to perform or being inspired to perform in that instant. that was like 22 years ago so i thought we had a connection that might be worth remembering and i thought going into this, hell i might see him before it starts, at like 2:55 and we give each other a hug or something. i know he has three kids. That was my mindset going to this place and i didn't know what to expect but that's what happened.
And i was never that into the game (community). there's a lot of people i never met- never met julian, jeffy, jlaix or a bunch of people but i did meet mystery and tyler ofc and badboy and shark and juggler and some others and i did see style one time just in passing. I always liked the natural approach. I remember studying in scotland and loving and cherishing my hallmates in a mixed dorm. being freshman or the equivalent, they impressed me so much with their maturity compared to my United States countrymen, and no game no bs energy. how could i betray that, leading a double life and shit- I wish i still had contact with them or some of them-- and though i wasn't in it much and though it's nothing to be ashamed of, nevertheless i have not shared or opened up much to anyone off or even online anonymously about my limited backstory in it but i think it might be heathy to do so now, so voila. I don't have much to share but that's a slice. Tyler/Owen shares everything. In terms of values and motives and life experience, he's way different than my cousin, who owns a drone company but in terms of energy and passion for what they do, and also body type and also voice itself and meter and cadence but the actual voice omg they are clones so it was cool being able to compare and humanize him in that way, which also helps kinda break any spell that may form. Yeah i'm spilling all my thoughts, not keeping my cards close on this.
