My response to "Pick up artist needs to be stopped"...

[Steve Jabba]

Lots of good stuff in the vid but please please stop telling dudes not to hit on chicks who are taller than you and saying that they are not attracted to shorter dudes like it's a fact. This is dangerous and misleading. I've dated quite a few gals now who have been my height or taller (I'm average height). Lot of guys on this forum have. It's possible to overcome your height if your fundamentals are otherwise good enough and stuff like this will only discourage shorter guys when they should be encouraged.

I'll say what I think bud and it's been my experience that this is untrue. Very rarely works out.
Keep in mind I've been doing 1 on 1 training and bootcamps for years, so I'd be doubtful if you have more direct experience than I do.

 

[Steve Jabba]

Will never forget that passage in bodipua’s death by 1000 sluts where he talks about steve taking a hot young blonde home then sitting drinking wine and not fucking her, telling her she was too young to be behaving like that lmao.

He is a mentally ill lying scumbag. Having said that I do have morals - this is a benefit that someone like Bodi wouldn't understand, having spent most of his adult life repugnant to women.

 

[Vision]

I'll say what I think bud and it's been my experience that this is untrue. Very rarely works out.
Keep in mind I've been doing 1 on 1 training and bootcamps for years, so I'd be doubtful if you have more direct experience than I do.

I've definitely hooked up with a few women who are taller than me, so it's not a total lost cause. I'm generally more attracted to shorter girls though. And I know there are some biases and potentially biological attraction factors there.

Just for pure boredom and curiosity, I did a poll in my women's group and here's the results...

Obviously, there's not a whole lot we can get from this data other than, at some point in their lives, around 34% of the women in my community (assuming that it scales) have been open enough to it that they dated a man shorter than them.

One of them even said that she's 5'11 and dated a man who was 5'... but that he had a HUGE personality.

If you're having problems and you're mostly approaching tall girls... there's a reason why Steve is teaching guys to approach women who are shorter.

Unless of course, you can quickly convey your HUGE personality, it's probably a good idea to listen to it.

 

[Skills]

Hey guys the post has gotten derailed as fuck, the post is about posturing and taking shit out of context, now totally derailed, which is going to annoy the mods and is going to annoy a possible new good poster (steve) we don't want to happened what happened with Razor Jack....

-i have never ever dated a women taller than me.... I have 2 wings very successful with women under average height (primo is short and my new wing short too but muscular), their strategy is going for women their height or shorter and there are plenty of hot women like this.....

- Obviously is POSSIBLE to date women TALLER THAN YOU, but the odds go down, so is a silly strategy... A good coach is trying to give high odds strategy.... I know we have influence/hipnosis/nlp type coaches that teach to get around that with some techniques, but this is a different type of coach (steve jabba teach something different than that, more sexual escalations,subcommunications etc...)....

- steve gets troll constantly with black pillers, so this was in response to a troll (a looks only matters troll, game is bs types).....

- steve in this forum we are more focus on strategies (yes max smv is strategy but is water is wet territory), i know you hate people telling you what to do and you are very strong in whatever you want to say, but so we can avoid problems like this, lets keep convo on more strategy (the looks maxing strategy advise smv maxing is water is wet, advise that we all know)...

Edited.--missunderstanding...

 

[Bismarck]

He is a mentally ill lying scumbag. Having said that I do have morals - this is a benefit that someone like Bodi wouldn't understand, having spent most of his adult life repugnant to women.

Bodi didn’t write that disparagingly, and neither was what I wrote sarcastic or backhanded.

He wrote in an awe-inspired way about your exploits. Incidentally, did you read his book?

 

[Teevster]

Unfortunately not. I am quite surprised myself.

Thanks for the OP who wrote this post. It's good to have someone in your corner instead of the constant bile and vitriol that I usually have to deal with. (I even turned off comments on my YT channel because I am finally sick of it).

This looks like a decent community.

Hi Steve. Welcome. I will update your rank tomorow.

Edit: Rank Fixed. I assume you are no newbie Steve?

Best,
Teevs (Admin).

 

[Teevster]

Yes there are a lot of weirdos, but I have noticed that the average guy that knows about this stuff seems to be of higher calibre than 5 years ago (though that is not saying much).

The biggest problems I see (which I am trying to change) is spam approaching monkeys saying the same thing time and again, miscalibrated approaches, lack of concern and empathy for the girl..

And the kicker : guys who have no awareness of their own SMV. Low value guys (usually 5"6 Indians) approaching 5 " 11 blue eyed blonde women. Not going to happen, and I don't care if the sun is out or how good you think your "game" is.

NB I hope it's OK to embed one of my videos? If not feel free to delete my post - I don't want to appear to be spamming, but this video is salient I think. You can probably tell I am somewhat pis**ed off with having to deal with the same moronic comments and stupid mistakes time after time.

Yes you can post vids, even link to your site in your signature. Although do not go overboard with marketing or soft-marketing, since that would ruin the discussion board. Common-sense basically.

Best,
Teevs

 

[POB]

Hey guys the post has gotten derailed as fuck, the post is about posturing and taking shit out of context, now totally derailed, which is going to annoy the mods and is going to annoy a possible new good poster (steve) we don't want to happened what happened with Razor Jack....

I'm not annoyed at all.

Maybe it would be smart to start a new thread about short guys + tall women and let ppl express their points....it could generate a very productive discussion IMO.

I'm 6'1" and have dated taller girls (6"1' and 6"2').
My main sometimes uses a pleaser (very exaggerated high heels) and gets taller than me (she is 5"8").
Getting good social dynamics out of these situations is a super valid skill.

 

[Steve Jabba]

I'm not annoyed at all.

Maybe it would be smart to start a new thread about short guys + tall women and let ppl express their points....it could generate a very productive discussion IMO.

I'm 6'1" and have dated taller girls (6"1' and 6"2').
My main sometimes uses a pleaser (very exaggerated high heels) and gets taller than me (she is 5"8").
Getting good social dynamics out of these situations is a super valid skill.

Good idea re: thread. Infact I will probably do a video about it myself and add to the discussion.

Re: those super high heels - I wore them several times. You legit cannot walk properly, and you look like a monkey with a banana jammed up its ass.

From experience, weird shoes also fuck your feet. I have a permanent Mortons Neuroma in my left foot from wearing narrow toed cowboy boots for years..

Was it worth it? Fuck no. I will probably have to have the nerve removed at some point.

Bottom line : it's simply common sense that women prefer men to be taller. Why does every woman list "tall" as an attractive trait? They actually mean "taller than me". .

Of course anyone can pick out counter examples, but that doesn't invalidate the average, as I am sure you all know.

 

[Skills]

I'm not annoyed at all.

Maybe it would be smart to start a new thread about short guys + tall women and let ppl express their points....it could generate a very productive discussion IMO.

I'm 6'1" and have dated taller girls (6"1' and 6"2').
My main sometimes uses a pleaser (very exaggerated high heels) and gets taller than me (she is 5"8").
Getting good social dynamics out of these situations is a super valid skill.

I already talked about height here and one of my top videos is about height which actually pisses me off, with 122. 5 views one of my most popular videos and 742 likes, and constantly commented.... when the ones about actually strategy and techniques get almost no views, which totally constantly annoys me... I should have sell out only talk about lms, like red/black pillers..... But is selling my soul not interested... They are just looking for any excuse in the book to not put the work "i am not tall enough, therefore i can't get laid or i am_________________ Race i can't get laid....

 

[POB]

It's very simple:
Height is like any other physical trait that women can use to add or subtract attraction points from a man:
- it can be mitigated, but it will always be a factor.

Though once you are "in" (meaning you've fucked her 2-3 times), it doesn't matter that much.
Point is, you never know, so there's no point in using it as an excuse (much like age gap, baldness, etc).

At the same time, it is indeed a deciding factor...so if you're short, why go for the pussy giants when there's plenty of attractive midgets out there?
I'd save the avatars for when you are really good and have plenty of options to choose from.

Edit: I know a guy who's 5'2", average looking (dresses well though), and is cleaning the pool here.
But he only goes for -5'2" women

 

[Baron]

Yes Todd V gets flak for that video but it was deliberately made to show students that "it doesn't fucking matter"

LOL of course it wasn't deliberate. He even explains WHY it went bad. You just need to watch the video. He was trying to get one of his camera crew to open a set. When they were reluctant to do that, he decided to open the first set he could find. As he approached the girls, he realised they weren't that hot, but he opened anyway for the sake of making a video. Since he didn't find them attractive, his body language and energy was off, hence why it didn't click and he stayed in there a little longer that he should have because they were "being rude to him" (i.e. not being too friendly with him LOL) so he wanted them to get up and leave first.

If you think the whole thing was deliberate, just think how hard that would be: approach a group of girls, make sure you hold their interest for a few minutes and then proceed to bore them while appearing to be running "normal game" and somehow engineer it so that they remain seated while you continue to "spit game" at them long enough to capture footage that demonstrates what "over persisting" looks like.

Seriously, the idea that he engineered the whole thing is frankly laughable. The only way he could have done it deliberately is if he knew the set was going badly, but he spontaneously came up with the idea to film a bad set and so decided to keep going. But that wasn't his excuse. His ego was basically bruised so he stayed in there longer than he should have out of spite.

 

[Skills]

LOL of course it wasn't deliberate. He even explains WHY it went bad. You just need to watch the video. He was trying to get one of his camera crew to open a set. When they were reluctant to do that, he decided to open the first set he could find. As he approached the girls, he realised they weren't that hot, but he opened anyway for the sake of making a video. Since he didn't find them attractive, his body language and energy was off, hence why it didn't click and he stayed in there a little longer that he should have because they were "being rude to him" (i.e. not being too friendly with him LOL) so he wanted them to get up and leave first.

If you think the whole thing was deliberate, just think how hard that would be: approach a group of girls, make sure you hold their interest for a few minutes and then proceed to bore them while appearing to be running "normal game" and somehow engineer it so that they remain seated while you continue to "spit game" at them long enough to capture footage that demonstrates what "over persisting" looks like.

Seriously, the idea that he engineered the whole thing is frankly laughable. The only way he could have done it deliberately is if he knew the set was going badly, but he spontaneously came up with the idea to film a bad set and so decided to keep going. But that wasn't his excuse. His ego was basically bruised so he stayed in there longer than he should have out of spite.

^ yes this sounds about right, so far best response

 

[topcat]

It's very simple:
Height is like any other physical trait that women can use to add or subtract attraction points from a man:
- it can be mitigated, but it will always be a factor.

Though once you are "in" (meaning you've fucked her 2-3 times), it doesn't matter that much.
Point is, you never know, so there's no point in using it as an excuse (much like age gap, baldness, etc).

At the same time, it is indeed a deciding factor...so if you're short, why go for the pussy giants when there's plenty of attractive midgets out there?
I'd save the avatars for when you are really good and have plenty of options to choose from.

Edit: I know a guy who's 5'2", average looking (dresses well though), and is cleaning the pool here.
But he only goes for -5'2" women

meh, i think it’s overrated personally. Sure it’s a factor, but confidence can override it easily.

I’m 5’6 and have dated several women long term that were 6’1 or thereabouts. If you’re confident it’s easy to date them as they say most men are intimidated or turned off by their height..

also they never get to feel the way a small woman does, so if you can make them feel small it goes a very long way..

 

[Baron]

meh, i think it’s overrated personally. Sure it’s a factor, but confidence can override it easily.

I’m 5’6

Same. As l I like to say, the advantage of being short is that all women are tall

If a women is extra tall, being extra ballsy can help. It's more of a challenge online as women have more options from tall beta males who wouldn't approach them IRL and it's harder to distinguish yourself in terms of confidence. But that goes for age and other factors. Fuck online game anyway.

Of course anyone can pick out counter examples, but that doesn't invalidate the average, as I am sure you all know.

I agree with a previous poster who said emphasizing this is misleading and not helpful. Just approaching a hot girl several inches taller than you or any woman who you find intimidating in some way (e.g. a celebrity) can do wonders for your state and growing confidence, even if the end result is a rejection.

 

[POB]

meh, i think it’s overrated personally. Sure it’s a factor, but confidence can override it easily.

Re-read my comment. We are not in disagreement here.

I’m 5’6 and have dated several women long term that were 6’1 or thereabouts. If you’re confident it’s easy to date them as they say most men are intimidated or turned off by their height..

But not every short guy is like you in terms of confidence.
If a shorter guy is starting out, why not go for easier targets (and build from that success) instead of trying the hardest path right from the start and fall flat?

A good coach knows how to push you just enough to not discourage progress.

also they never get to feel the way a small woman does, so if you can make them feel small it goes a very long way..

This is indeed a factor, good call