Mystery was right

[COCPORN]

So, in my rabbit-hole of talking to you all beautiful people, it turns out Mystery was right.

If you don't talk to a woman or people in general "over the shoulder" your game is not only lacking but flawed.

The absolute worst thing that is so easy to see is people approaching fellow human being straight on. This is the AIDS that is the pickup community. Fix this one thing first, then you can learn how to write P3N1S on a woman's forehead.

If you do understand the angle of approach, and this sounds super nerdy, not only will any and all approach anxiety go away, you will start to think you were somehow a member of the rest of the group.

People don't interact like that. They speak shoulder to shoulder. And when they like each other they turn more towards each other. And when they like each other enough they fuck.

They do not stand up and down talking to other people.

Do you know how to find a "pickup artist" from a crowd? He is facing the woman. It is the most cringy stuff ever.

Mystery was right.

Nobody in real life face each other for any other reason than fucking.

Do you want me to tell you beautiful babies how to fuck bitches? This will be the beginning of a 19-part series starting with "Screening Game". It's not Captain Jack, but it is influenced.

If you approach people head-on you look dumb. Always open over your shoulder.

And I will tell you why in the next post if I get a single like on this.

 

[COCPORN]

I think he was intuitively right where I am probably overthinking things.

 

[TwoNameGame]

They speak shoulder to shoulder. And when they like each other they turn more towards each other.

Maybe I'm overthinking it, but maybe you are right too.

I'm a newbie and the 2 best interactions had me shoulder to shoulder. Hell, the one time I got a number, she and I were shoulder to shoulder watching the clock until I got her asking questions, and my head turned. Then, she started joking and accepting kino and I finally turned to face her. The other one had her face me at the end when the escalation window was closing.

Meanwhile, I once made a girl nervous when talking face-to-face (then again, she was busy it turned out) and another one saw me lose her the second I asked to talk in the shade.

I guess the trick is to get her to invest by looking at you, then reward her by looking at her. Escalate, then reward her with your full attention. Slip away by bit when she fails to comply.

 

[COCPORN]

The only currency is attention.

Attention is consciousness projected.

When you manage to control your attention, when and where you give it, you control a random interaction with another person or even a crowd.

This is the core of screening game. It's not about the angle of the body, it is about the attention you give. This is why opening over the shoulder will still be cringe if your attention isn't facing the same way your body is.

You open up your body and share your attention when you see good behavior. This sounds simple, and it is. To make this work for you in your daily routine, try this:

1. Open over the shoulder, but also carry your attention forwards
2. Count down, in your head, 2-3 seconds before you respond to her or anything
3. When you get a response, turn your body and thus attention towards her

I will add to and refine this list. All of this will sound counter-intuitive if you don't already know it from before.

If you want me to continue this thread, answer this question:

IF YOU TELL A GIRL SHE HAS NICE EYES, WHO HAS THE SCREENING FRAME?

 

[Duff]

You have the screening frame

 

[TwoNameGame]

IF YOU TELL A GIRL SHE HAS NICE EYES, WHO HAS THE SCREENING FRAME?

You do. You have given her attention and you made the move that you are looking for something.

 

[empath]

You don't its just a compliment, can't think how to screen on eyes without making it an interview questions but it would be more like show me where you have used your keen eyesight

 

[COCPORN]

You do. You have given her attention and you made the move that you are looking for something.

You have the screening frame

What if you want for her response?

 

[KJ Francis]

What I found really interesting was he said the approach angle served the same purpose as the neg (telegraphing disinterest - in this case the nonverbal method of doing so - to get past her initial shield and reach the hook point, I.e. complete A1).

Neg, body rocking, and false time constraint... All same purpose.

 

[TwoNameGame]

What if you want for her response?

If I want her response, I'd make a claim about her eye color. I'd instead say, "Your eye color is the most inviting."

 

[COCPORN]

If you tell a girl she has great eyes and you wait for a response, you are losing the screening frame.

If you say it in passing you own it.

I will be back soon with a follow-up on this.

 

[truthasker]

Hey, I just wanted to say, that being angled makes you look less threatening than directly facing. Ever had a huge bodybuilder talk to you face to face? I get some anxiety, but when it's shoulder or angled, it's a lot less pressure. Not only that you feel like the other person might leave.

You mentioned this step:
"Count down, in your head, 2-3 seconds before you respond to her or anything"

Could you further elaborate on this? My first time hearing this, do you look away for 2-3 seconds or this is while looking at her? Whenever I have brain fog, I tend to respond a little late in all interactions but I think this just makes me look slower.

 

[SlayerCJ82]

Mystery was a pioneer,
He was right about a lot of things and the original who codified it all.
His only problem afaics is he probably runs his entire pickup model on ‘Green’ girls when it’s probably unnecessary to do so.

 

[SlayerCJ82]

…Probably XD

hey btw is there any good recent infield of him and beckster in Europe? I’ve skimmed a few .. but I don’t see him pulling tbh

 

[COCPORN]

Hey, I just wanted to say, that being angled makes you look less threatening than directly facing. Ever had a huge bodybuilder talk to you face to face? I get some anxiety, but when it's shoulder or angled, it's a lot less pressure. Not only that you feel like the other person might leave.

You mentioned this step:
"Count down, in your head, 2-3 seconds before you respond to her or anything"

Could you further elaborate on this? My first time hearing this, do you look away for 2-3 seconds or this is while looking at her? Whenever I have brain fog, I tend to respond a little late in all interactions but I think this just makes me look slower.

Just couple what you think it would look like with the idea that attention is the currency everyone is looking for.

I am probably not autistic or on the spectre for asberger, but I do have this power most people seem to lack, which is retroactively looking at my own and others' behavior.

If you know what an open loop is, you already know this.

But it quickly turns into super technical game, and I am trying to avoid it (in this conversation).

But my point is this: You don't come up with a theory and test it in field. You test field and use yourself as some kind of sive to let that knowledge bubble up. And then you try to condense it and have it make sense. But all of this is hinging, not only your ability to understand what is happening and writing it in a sensible way, but others to learn from written word.

Most people here don't even open successfully.

I am trying to break down the things that are ultimately truths. The material I will cover includes Mystery and Captain Jack.

It will not include Swinggcat and RSD.

It "all works" because they share a common prescept: You need to go from not communicating to communicating.

And I am not doing this for the benefit of you all, I am re-iterating things because I want to learn or re-learn. So anyone contesting what I write is welcome.

From a behavioral point-of-view, sharing tips about how to lay the ladies makes sense, somehow, very deeply. But you need to be able to follow a discussion through 2-3 levels of indirection. And I have found most people struggle with a single level.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Just couple what you think it would look like with the idea that attention is the currency everyone is looking for.

I am probably not autistic or on the spectre for asberger, but I do have this power most people seem to lack, which is retroactively looking at my own and others' behavior.

If you know what an open loop is, you already know this.

But it quickly turns into super technical game, and I am trying to avoid it (in this conversation).

But my point is this: You don't come up with a theory and test it in field. You test field and use yourself as some kind of sive to let that knowledge bubble up. And then you try to condense it and have it make sense. But all of this is hinging, not only your ability to understand what is happening and writing it in a sensible way, but others to learn from written word.

Most people here don't even open successfully.

I am trying to break down the things that are ultimately truths. The material I will cover includes Mystery and Captain Jack.

It will not include Swinggcat and RSD.

It "all works" because they share a common prescept: You need to go from not communicating to communicating.

And I am not doing this for the benefit of you all, I am re-iterating things because I want to learn or re-learn. So anyone contesting what I write is welcome.

From a behavioral point-of-view, sharing tips about how to lay the ladies makes sense, somehow, very deeply. But you need to be able to follow a discussion through 2-3 levels of indirection. And I have found most people struggle with a single level.

Hi cocporn

I believe I actually may be spectrum (self diagnosis). Just wanted to state that firstly as u mentioned it. I don’t have a great power of retroactive behaviour analysis.

I really related to your post above right now.

especially The last few lines about this following 2-3 levels of indirection .

It made me think about another thing with the same terminology ie speaking indirectly . Using metaphors of speech, innuendo, banter role plays etc

. I’ve always struggled with language and linguistics this way. (Hence my self diagnosis above) I’m possibly dyslexic also not sure.
but through studying similar sources you mentioned above like CJ and Swingcat have come to learn this ‘indirect talk’ and framing stories and convos , more and more in bits and pieces ,as a skill of conversation.

ill say for me i also forget it rapidly if I don’t constantly use it and practice it.

I tried Jeffries speed seduction which is a similar thing in that it’s all indirect languaging and NLP but it’s too obviously hypnosis based in practice of speech running his patterns structures. Was hard to get down and sound natural for me and too complicated,

have you tried SS btw?

You mentioned Captain Jack - I had his Force21 audio course but it was missing some files. In if he mentioned a Sexual Framing tele-course I’ve never been able to find. Do you have and could u please share if so I’d like to know about him .

Teevster has written some excellent stuff here but tbh I struggle with reading and much prefer audio and video for learning personally due to my language difficulties.

I’ve tried swingcats stuff and it’s good but don’t like his affectation in his voice find it very annoying and he waffles a bit too much for me. Adding stuff that’s really padding imo.

All help and recommendations appreciated thank you very much .
Jim

 

[COCPORN]

SS is a little underrated. Ross Jeffies told people to "Show up attractive". We all have been able to decipher what this actually means.

I will re-tell the story of F*21 through my yapping here. And make no mistake, it is a yapping thread.

I will try to re-thread what I consider good game.

However, if you want a single thing as a point of learning, F*21 would be it. If you fail to understand the basic tenets of F*21, I think everything will be difficult, not in game but in life.

 

[COCPORN]

If you understand the idea of a default frame and his idea of "alpha" we are on the same page. I will retell it. My own spin on his material. Not because I have it internalized, but it is sparse and I honestly think it is the best material I've seen and I would love to discuss it a little.

 

[iceberg slim]

Not disagreeing with you, but to play devil's advocate: what if its a street stop? Ie - the girl is walking towards you on the sidewalk? In that case you need to step in front of her and stop her, and thus would be directly facing her. And in that case you're being so bold that isn't it appropriate to indicate to her, by facing her directly, that you're ready to bone ASAP?

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

If you understand the idea of a default frame and his idea of "alpha" we are on the same page. I will retell it. My own spin on his material. Not because I have it internalized, but it is sparse and I honestly think it is the best material I've seen and I would love to discuss it a little.

Hi again
I understand it no issue there.
I was listening to his audio file # 6 ‘definition of Alpha’ yeaterday for a refresh and it’s solid gold. Happy to discuss in detail,

my other request was for a Tele course he mentioned in F21 I don’t have in my collection, it’s a sexual framing tele course - audio coaching course I believe.( I prefer audio for learning).

I have his video course stuff it’s all in PowerPoint presentation stuff but it’s very heavy and ‘padded’ on the theory side and marketing side and very light on the actual examples it’s exhausting to get through,

the Tele course I’m betting is heaps better if it’s similar to F21. His ‘game dynamics ‘ pdf book was also excellent in setting a meta - understanding or meta-frame for what’s happening in a Bar or club,

he is very good at teaching his ideas on audio course,
I’m pretty confident he was indeed a King Of SNL’s as his student Jon Sinn called him,
I believe he moved back into sales & marketing as a full time job after he left the pickup community from my research, and probably still in the Dallas area.

shame he left the community as a coach and teacher

what other products of his would you have and can you share here? I can trade you some of mine if you are interested and if it’s allowed to do so here,

thanks Jim