Myth of being Perfect Man...?

[Drck]

Reading through GC, I'm getting an impression that good seducer should be a perfect, or close to perfect man in a sense that it is a man who is social, man who doesn't put her on pedestals, man who can deep dive, man who is independent, great conversationalist, strong and nice looking leader, man who doesn't chase and so on. You take all these characteristics and combine them, and you get close to 'human perfection', high on the classy scale. You most likely work hard on self improvement in different areas (including seduction) so you can get good women, and true, these are good, positive characteristics valued by society and many women. I work on them myself many years, and doing this you might have much better chances to get laid than by "being yourself".

But don't be fooled. I saw mysef many good looking women with good personality and good education going out with scumbacks who are using and/or selling drugs, who have no education, no real job, who are fat (I am not talking about 30-40 pounds overweight), who are liars, thieves, even criminals. Who are whiners and manipulators, who have no or minimal confidence, who fuck around like rabits and spread STDs. Men who have bad even the worst human characteristics, the opposites than you read on GC. You name it they have most of them, and you maybe know some yourself. And good women go with them, sleep with them, not just having romantic relationship but having true dirty and nasty sex. Women who are their girlfriends for years, and as if that was not good enough - they reject good GC-style guys with no remorse. If those are true "bad-don't-give-a-crap-guys", GC-style is "good-self-improving-guys", there is no other way.

If she, the innocent-looking and honest woman had to trully choose between him (bad guy) and you (the good one), she would most likely dump you and run with him. This doesn't happen usually because of society constrictions, but at least she might be feeling that way.

Now, why is that?

 

[Franco]

Drck,

I saw mysef many good looking women with good personality and good education going out with scumbacks who are using and/or selling drugs, who have no education, no real job, who are fat (I am not talking about 30-40 pounds overweight), who are liars, thieves, even criminals. Who are whiners and manipulators, who have no or minimal confidence, who fuck around like rabits and spread STDs. Men who have bad even the worst human characteristics, the opposites than you read on GC.

You're obviously still in the process of learning about women here. You think you have an understanding of what women truly desire out of all facets of a man, but posts like this show that you do not.

We've stated multiple times on this website that the the number one most important and attractive thing a man can do to get women is to take them to bed as expeditiously as possible and give them mind-blowing sex. This is regardless of their social status, their money, their cleanliness, or their power. It is the reason that Chase has stated numerous times that he tells women that he is NOT boyfriend material, he does NOT have a lot of money, and he will NOT be around long. As a matter of fact, he insists when he meets women that he is NOT the perfect man, and that is exactly what he encourages everyone here to do.

By communicating to a woman that you are the perfect man, that you have a great education, a high social status, a nice car, etc., you communicate to her that you are the provider. You are the man that society forces her to go after because her social reputation is what is most important to her. So instead, you want to be the guy that she sees little-to-no future with, yet feels a lusting, sexual desire to have you for the night. From there, if you give her the passionate, otherwise unobtainable sex that she has never experienced her in life, then yes, you can bet your sweet ass she will keep coming back. It won't matter if you don't have a job or a place to live. If you control her sexual desire, then you control her.

Now, with great power comes great responsibility. The "scumbags" you mention in your post are the men who wield the great power without the consideration of the woman's feelings (which they indeed have, and they are human beings just like us men). They (the scumbags) make promises they don't keep, they set expectations that they can't meet, and they ultimately cause pain and emotional stress to the women they encounter. This is where GirlsChase comes in. This website teaches you how to set correct expectations, not make promises you can't keep, and ultimately give women what they desire out of strong, dominant men while still keeping their emotions and feelings in check. If you can be that guy, then you will forever be the man she never forgets. No scumbag will be able to take your place because, not ONLY did you take her to bed swiftly and give her the wild passionate experience she desires, but you respected her wishes and expectations on an emotional level like no other man was able to do. And if she isn't able to tie you down, she'll forever dream about what it would be like if she had.

So Drck, before you come in here questioning what you think GirlsChase is trying to do, please take the time to actually navigate through all of the articles before you come to a conclusion.

- Franco

 

[trashKENNUT]

HI Guys,

Hope not barging in, but a refresh article of why Girls like "Bad boys" will be great. I haven't read it in awhile but quality and beautiful women never put themselves in that footing way too many times. Sure there are girl whom you deemed quality by the education and success they have with money, but Chase noted to us in a comment or post about his girl, and how her friends tell him he deserve so much better. i meet those kind of girls before too.

Maybe it's some few details that is not covered in the original article, but then i haven't read it in a long time. A refresher perhaps.

Zac

 

[Franco]

Zac,

Hope not barging in, but a refresh article of why Girls like "Bad boys" will be great.

Sure, why not? =)

• Why Girls Like Bad Boys

- Franco

 

[Drck]

I think there is little bit misunderstanding. I'm always trying to be as clear as possible, but in order to do so I have to write long, very long text to explain myself, and then no one reads it just because it is too long. But if I write short I hit the point right away, except it is viewed from different point, and I have to explain myself anyway.

I just read Chase's latest response. It is great (like many others), and I swear that this line he wrote is my own line that I used some time ago: "Personally, I don't care about money itself; I care about what it BUYS, and what it BUYS is FREEDOM". Of course he didn't steal it, just came to the same conclusion, and mostly many other people figured out the same line on their own at different times.

That goes with other stuff as well, many guys come to the same conclusion, and write it in different ways, or even in the exact words.

There are good guys and there are bad guys (also written thousands of times on different webs). The good guys from this point of view are those who seek constant improvement by educating themselves in different areas including seduction, by studying GC stuff such as learning to deep dive and so on. These "good guys" are actively trying to develop seductive character - they put an active work into it and they invest lots of time in learning, and by doing so they build their seducer character. So to speak, by investing time and work they build their value as a seducer, the more seduction skills the guy has the higher his value as a seducer is. Most likely they do the same in other areas in life as well. I do it myself, and there is nothing wrong with building a value and class as a person. By more and more learning you are getting closer and closer to becoming "perfectionalist", the perfect seducer (also perfect businessman, perfect friend, perfect social person and so on).

Now, as a seducer who wants to get laid quickly, you of course don't show your value or you decrease it so she doesn't see you as a potential provider (that is what you are talking about). But the value is there, you invested lots of time and work into being a good seducer and being a good person. You may then chose later if you want to leave or if you want to have longer relationship.

But there are also bad guys, drug users and so on. These guys don't invest nothing in learning. They don't study seduction, they are not improving in any other areas, they learn nothing, they could care less how they look. They might be criminals, scumbags. If being great seducer is on one side of a scale, they are on the opposite.

Yet women, even the good ones go for them. They sleep with those bad guys who have no seduction skills and who have no desire excel in life quickly, and they become their GFs as well. If she has to chose between great seducer and this bad guy, she may even chose the bad guy.

So my simple question was: Why is that? What does it tell us about women?

Sorry, got to go, no time to reply to the rest

 

[Franco]

Drck,

I appreciate your clarity on the question, and I see what you are trying to say. However, I think this is where the confusion lies:

If she has to chose between great seducer and this bad guy, she may even chose the bad guy.

So my simple question was: Why is that? What does it tell us about women?

I don't think this is the case at all. In fact, it tells me nothing about the woman. Women are silly and cute, and all of them are that way. What it DOES tell me about the seducer is that he's actually not a great seducer. You might be confused with what a great seducer actually looks like, and that's understandable. They might be the rarest breed of man on this entire planet, and Chase is trying to create a culture here than can bring about more of them.

I know for a fact that a great seducer (or at the very least, a great "execution" of seduction by a promising seducer) is superior to any "bad guy's" attempt to get specific women. Why do I know this? Because my current girlfriend (and all of the girls I have been in casual relationships prior to her over the last 2 years or so) keep coming back to me. And although those prior relationships may not have been "elite" women, my current girlfriend certainly is high caliber, without a doubt. It is the reason why I decided to enter a committed relationship with her -- she provides me with satisfaction that 99% of the population of women out there can't possibly provide.

Now, I say 99% because, as a man with an abundance mentality, I know that I am capable of finding that 1% that exists with qualities as extraordinary as hers. In the meantime, I can enjoy other women and their unique qualities if I am single, and should I choose to do so.

But my woman goes out all the time (and grew up in the heart of Las Vegas), and yet I have no concern about some other man sweeping her off her feet. Why? Because I've already done that myself; on top of that, I continue to satisfy every single one of her needs as a boyfriend without capitulating to her in any needy way. I am the man; I am in charge; and she acknowledges that -- and she LOVES it.

There probably will be a shelf life on this relationship since attraction does decline after a given period of time, but I know I will be the one to end the relationship should it come to that point. And what do I also know? I know that she will do everything in her power to get me back. That's just who I've developed myself to be: a man that every woman desires to keep.

I have no doubt in my mind that I could steal those women from those "scumbags" and make them never look back. As a matter of fact, I've already done it with several women in bad relationships. I didn't keep those women around because I was not interested in a commitment with them, but I showed them what it's like to be with a strong, dominant man who actually cares about them.

So, to re-state my answer to your question, girls liking bad boys tells me nothing about girls that I don't already know. What it DOES tell me is that no truly great seducer has come across their path yet.

- Franco

 

[DesiBro]

Seduction is a numbers game. There is nothing you can so to guarantee a girl will want you.

But learning these fundamentals will absolutely improve your probability of being successful. If you think that somebody wih no fundamentals is more likely to successfully get a girl, you are mistaken.

 

[Drck]

Let me tell you a great story. I've read an analogy, a comparison of seduction to a car some while ago, if I'm not mistaken in was on GC site. So here goes the story:

There was this good guy, hard working, honest, motivated and dedicated guy who wanted to do something with his life. After a while of hard work he succeeded. Let's call him a great businessman. He put his nice clothes on like any other day, pulls up a valet and buys this great car with classy name. He sits behind the wheel, shifts a gear, hits the gas and car drives. Wow, the great businessman says, that is easy. He stops and picks up a great woman. There are plenty of women who are interested in ride, all he has to do is open the door. He says to himself, all I have to know is where to go so I can get laid, and since I have money I will find a nice exotic place. The more he stops the more women he gets, because women are just there, he doesn't have to do much else.

There is another good guy who sees this great businessman, he sees how he's getting all the women in his car. Let's call this second guy a great seducer. So the great seducer sees the car and figures out that it is because of that car that the businessman is getting laid. He wonders how is it possible that the car drives, what is in it that makes it drive. He borrows that car, invests into a bunch of tools, takes apart the motor and transmission, dismantles alternator, finds out how every piece of that car works, and then puts it all together again. Wow, the great seducer says, that was lots of work, but at the end all you have to do is shift the gear, hit the gas, and the car drives, you simply have to steer it to get to the place where you want to be. He too finds out, after he is done with reconstruction of that car, that all he has to is stop, open the door and let the woman who is interested in ride in. So he stops, he takes the women for the best ride of her life to some romantic place, and then he fucks her.

Then there is another guy, bad boy. Let's call him a great loser. He could care less about driving, could care less about how it drives and where to go. He just grabs one great woman, and there are plenty of them, breaks the window of that car, opens the door, fucks the woman right there and leaves.

But the story wasn't about those three great men, was it? No, it wasn't. The story wasn't about the great car either. It was all about women. She could care less about these three great guys and their stupid car. All she simply wanted was great fuck.

It is a good story, every grandfather should tell it to his grandchildren before they go to bed.


Anyhow, as I attempted to write it couple of times before, a guy should build his life in several areas including physical, financial, educational, social and other. He builds it for himself, not for women. Simply, the guy should try to be that businessman. The businessman can ride that car with woman, or just by himself, but it is a good car. The seducer usually drives the car only so he can get women, he doesn't drive it for himself. As such businessman, you do have a real value, and even if you chose not to be a provider but to be a lover, your value is simply displayed by your overall behavior and attitude, by the way you talk and express yourself, by how you deal with people, and in circles in which you move in. Your overall class. She feels that you are a winner, and she may try to get you as a provider, but if you are clear about being lover she will be satisfied as well.

I'm saying it again, if you have this kind of value women will actually seduce you, and not the other way. You don't seduce them, THEY WILL seduce you. Thus you don't really need any seduction skills because by building this kind of value you already have those skills as well.

From certain point of view, the businessman and the seducer are both putting a lot of effort into seduction, although the businessman indirectly by creating success in different area. They are both actively working to achieve something good, and they still have that "nicenessness" of good boys to do something better in their lives in them. They are still good boys, nice guys, they do many things what society expect from them. Many of them are still proving themselves to the society, they need the appreciation, they still need to impress someone this or that way. You are a nice guy too, by reading the comments here, most if not all guys here are "nice" so to speak. You were programmed by society to be nice, to be compliant to women. Many of you only learned how not to show niceness, you have to put an active effort to learn how not to care, or at least pretend not to care (I too read the devil may care on GC), but you still have that need to have that "nice" feeling inside of you. And in life, there are also these great losers, guys who don't put out any effort, who truly could care less about success in this or that area, yet they too can get bunch of great women.

So the only question remains, whether you want to be a great businessman, great seducer, or great loser...