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Wicked_Downfall

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Let me start off by saying hello and thanks. There is a ton of worthwhile info on this site and I believe that I'll find sound advice for my situation.

Now for the back story: I was extremely introverted, shy, and anxious as a child and it wasn't until my adult life that I became heavily introverted and began working on communication and social skill building. I've made plenty of mistakes and learned from most of them. I'm now 27 and I have only taken a handful of women out on dates. I could be a bit more smooth however I seem to do well with with physical and verbal escalation. I have had opportunities with the women I have taken out, yet currently I remain a virgin by choice because I have high standards and criteria for the woman I'm looking for and I'm fine if I never find her.

I hadn't been actively looking for a companion for a long time (3 years), and then I bumped into an attractive young lady working at a local food chain. I got her smiling, laughing and really opening up about her interests. (I was genuinely interested and moving fast to qualify her after I realized she was actually get damn close checking off my mental list of stuff I look for)

Then she cleared it. Ever damn last one of them. Of course she didn't know that.

Now, I'm cool with joking, flirting and being playful with women but that's because I don't have any real skin in the game. I don't care. It's all show to just their day.

This was different. Once I realized that I was ACTUALLY interested in this girl, I got damn nervous. Didn't show it though, I'm good at that since I'm in sales.

It' took every ounce of courage I could muster for this exchange however:

Note: this girl is EXTREMELY introverted and I could tell. The only reason she was even really talking at all was because I got her talking about the stuff she was really into. My read was that she normally had a hard time with stuff like this...like I used to.)

Me: So, I gotta ask. How old are you?
Her: Oh, I'm 19!
Me: Great, give me your phone number!
Her: (seems shocked, nervous, and fluttering her eyelashes) That would be extremely unprofessional
Me: (I lean over the counter for the second time during our interaction) So what? (smiling)
Her: (body language tells me she is having trouble processing the moment and I'm overwhelming her with my forwardness)
Me: (reading the situation, I realize it's too much) Look, I don't mean to make you uncomfortable. I just think you're a really interesting girl and I would like an opportunity to speak with you again.
Her:(searching her thoughts) How about Facebook?
Me: (As she's writing) That'll work!
Her: (She writes it down, puts it on top of my food container and pushes the stuff toward me) There!
Me: Thanks! We'll have to get together with your friends sometime and play some board games or something. (I push too hard here since she is LITERALLY shaking with emotion)
Her: I don't mean to creep on you but I have to get back to work (I know she's uncomfortable and needs some space)
Me: No problem, I'll see ya later.

So, I get home, and decide to move fast. I shoot her a friend request that night and open up a conversation on Facebook with her. My only goal is to get her laughing and get a date set.
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This is where I need all the help I can get. I'm about to post our entire conversation from Facebook. It's been a month now and a lot of stuff has happened in the transcript. I think I pretty much train wrecked the thing by getting pushy and then overly emotional at the thought of finding something so rare and possibly watching it slip through my fingers. She was doing what she could to save it, then I finally chilled out and now I need to do what I can to turn it in my favor. Let's be honest. I don't want a girl, I want THIS girl and if there is a shot at getting her at all, I want to maximize it.

So I ask two things from anyone here qualified.
(a) Help me understand what I could have done better in the conversation to improve my success rate
(b) Help guide me down the path that gives me the best chance of getting this girl in my corner, getting some face time, and making her want to date me.

In hindsight, I honestly think due to the fact that she is so introverted that she had a hard time agreeing to meet me because I moved too fast (not enough investment from her) and I came in at the wrong time in her life (still desperate for her ex). Then she settled for the easier option by trying out the guy she had known for a bit in person, while keeping me as a "just in case option" and I missed my window. Then I broke the window by being a needy b**** and now I want to repair and open it back up. I just need some damn face time and I doubt I'll remain a backup.

Summary if you don't want to analyze my whole issue and let me know where I went wrong then this is a quick summary of the major ideals in the conversation
I get her laughing
I get her talking about herself
I go for a date, it's a bad time, I try to get her to set time and she won't help
Some time passes, I try again. she agrees to go but wont help set time (She just broke up with her boyfriend that day)
I flat out ask her what's up how she would feel about a date. She says iffy and tells me about the break up. she's honest
I give her some time to cope then try again
I get pushy, then I spin it to playful
I back off asking, get bored, and start to notice she responds better to me being a playful asshole.
She eludes to the fact she may come to the part I'm throwing
I decide to play it aloof and not say something that may break the odds
<she doesn't show>
I try to play it cool and reinitialize convo
Time drags a bit, then I get her to respond
I ask her out, and she shoots me down. Same day she starts dating a new guy (facebook status)
<I'm like holy shit...did I just miss my shot? why couldn't I get her to at least spend time as friends>
{Giant F***ing trainwreck ahead from a guy that didn't know how to cope with everything going wrong in his life at once. (but primarily the girl)
(girl opens up, I keep pushing, girl tries to save it, I keep pushing, girl shuts down, I keep pushing...)
(I finally chill out some and start acting like a man again)
(I get on here looking for any suggestion I can get on how to move forward)
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Here comes the conversation

Conversation started June 20

6/20, 8:20am
MY POST
[Insert cat making pizza]

6/20, 8:20am
MY POST
[Insert cat making pizza]

6/20, 8:20am
MY POST
Hey, thanks for the suggestion. That Philly pizza was delicious!

6/20, 8:22am
HER POST
Haha. Not a problem. I think it's one of our most unique things.

6/20, 8:31am
MY POST
I agree, it was done of the unique things at the store that caught my eye. The garlic on the crust was a nice touch.

6/20, 8:41am
HER POST
Like I said, can't go wrong with garlic herb!
June 20

6/20, 1:13pm
MY POST
[insert picture of a smiley face sticker]

6/20, 1:13pm
MY POST
So what about Japanese culture is so attractive for you? I grew up being mesmerized by the honor system in their culture. Didn't help once I discovered JRPGs and anime.

6/20, 1:29pm
HER POST
Haha. Well, my dad is of Japanese heritage. I'm not sure if his mom or dad was Japanese, but he was half. (I don't know a lot about that side of my family.) So that always kinda drew me to it. Also, I grew up being a fan of the animu and games as well. Haha.

6/20, 3:10pm
MY POST
Yea, we talked about that. Do you have a favorite anime and/or game? I have to say, I have seen a ton of anime and I lean toward action/fantasy however if I had a gun to my heaf my favorite series would probably be BECK ( mongolian chop squad). There is just something about it that tugs on me.

6/20, 3:37pm
HER POST
Hmm. I like Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, Jigoku Shoujo, and Kyouran Kazoku Nikki. And Gundam. Lol.
June 20

6/20, 7:58pm
MY POST
!!!Oh wow, Higurashi is awesome! I loved the story arcs but what really tied it together for me was Satoko's laugh. There's just something about it. Melodic yet with subtle hints of mischief and sadistic tendencies. AH HAHAHA! :)
So have you seen gundam build fighters yet?

6/20, 8:32pm
HER POST
The laughs. So many crazy laughs. And I actually just recently heard about it! It's an anime right?

6/20, 9:07pm
MY POST
Yep! It's a pretty interesting twist on gundam. I LOVE it.
June 21

6/21, 9:09am
MY POST
So, what else do you enjoy doing when you're not watching anime or busy saving hungry people, one pizza at a time?

6/21, 10:35am
HER POST
I'm usually sleeping or trying to find an adventure. XD
June 21

6/21, 4:16pm
MY POST
[insert picture of a smiley face sticker]

6/21, 4:16pm
MY POST
ooo, seems like you're curious and spontaneous. I like those kinds of girls.
I have to keep a tight schedule do to work however I make up for it with my personality. I prefer to be a little chaotic and create my own fun and adventure.
So, what kind of wondrous adventures have you gotten into lately?

6/21, 4:17pm
HER POST
My friends and I tried to find a 24 hour cafe downtown, then attempted to go to a comedy club. They were all closed. Haha.

6/21, 4:20pm
MY POST
Sounds like some late night fun! You wouldn't happen to be a night owl would you!? I hear night owls are trouble. :)

6/21, 4:22pm
HER POST
I just tend to be out late because I work in the evenings.

6/21, 4:42pm
MY POST
Work does that. I used to work third shift at the airport, never got it out of my system. There's just something so mysteriously beautiful and exciting about nighttime. The thrill of dancing shadows and the contrast of silence laced with little noises and amplified soundscapes...gets my heart is rate up just thinking about it.
Anyway, which comedy club did you all try to go to?

6/21, 4:44pm
HER POST
Well. I'm typically a morning person in general. I feel like I can get more things done. And I believe it's called Crackers.

6/21, 5:50pm
MY POST
[insert snoopy rummaging through a jack-o-latern]

6/21, 5:50pm
MY POST
Come on an adventure with me.
June 22

6/22, 10:32am
MY POST
I believe I may have made you uncomfortable. Admittedly, some of the stuff I wrote comes off a bit too heavy.
What I meant was Danville is shutting down Washington St. next Saturday to set up GIANT-sized board games.
There should be tons of people there to playing. Seems like a neat and casual way for us to have some fun and chat. Call me a hopeless nerd but I'm praying for life-size Relic!

6/22, 1:04pm
HER POST
Haha. Sounds pretty neat.

6/22, 2:08pm
MY POST
Then come with me. It's from noon to 4 next saturday. :)
June 24

6/24, 7:20am
MY POST
So, shall we go on an adventure?
June 24

6/24, 1:11pm
HER POST
Well I gotta work and have errands and stuff I usually do on Saturday.

6/24, 2:30pm
MY POST
Well, we could go for just a short bit saturday or we can do something else if another day is better.
I always get nervous when I meet someone new however I suppose it's normal. Either my knees are shaking or the sidewalk keeps moving.
So, giant boardgames or adventure door #2?

6/24, 2:32pm
HER POST
I'm really awkward around people most of the time. I switch though. Sometimes I'm really friendly and good with people but mostly I'm just painfully awkward. And lol. I don't know, what if door #2 involves tigers? I can't outrun a tiger.

6/24, 2:33pm
MY POST
Tigers are awesome
I'll belly rub it for you

6/24, 2:34pm
HER POST
Not if it's trying to eat you. That would be a terrible idea.

6/24, 2:49pm
MY POST
If it's trying to eat me then that just means it's hungry. I'll give it some of my cat's Friskies™
If that doesn't work, it's on to plan B

6/24, 2:51pm
HER POST
I don't think they'd eat that. Haha. They'd probably prefer a big steak or something.

6/24, 2:52pm
MY POST
Plsn B it is!

6/24, 3:37pm
MY POST
Dang, looks like our city is being pummeled

6/24, 3:39pm
HER POST
Yeah. My phone woke me up screaming about flash floods.

6/24, 3:40pm
MY POST
A tornado apparently touched down not far from my home. My friend is telling me there are sime roofs missing near him.
Other than the bad weather, I love a good rainstorm

6/24, 3:47pm
HER POST
True. Except I got rained on yesterday and I wasn't prepared. That kinda sucked. Haha.

6/24, 3:50pm
MY POST
Whomp whomp whom.
So you're down for adventure door #2 as long as it's tiger free, right? :)

6/24, 3:53pm
HER POST
Haha. Sure, why not?

6/24, 3:57pm
MY POST
I'm thinking mini golf and arcade gaming downtown. An absolutey positively 100% tiger-free zone.
What's your schedule look like?

6/24, 3:58pm
HER POST
The arcade at the mall? I'm unsure of many others. And I work and have jury duty coming up this week. >.>

6/24, 4:04pm
MY POST
That arcade! Jury duty sucks, however I posses patience. Which day are you free?

6/24, 4:16pm
HER POST
So far I work the rest of this week and I have to keep all next week open for possible jury duty stuff.

6/24, 4:18pm
MY POST
How does next Saturday look?

6/24, 4:19pm
HER POST
Saturdays are mandatory work days.

6/24, 4:33pm
MY POST
I keep a busy schedule myself and it's about to get even crazier due to these tornadoes that just hit. My phone has been going crazy the last 15 minutes. I still believe we can make this work.

6/24, 4:58pm
MY POST
How are Fridays?

6/24, 6:32pm
HER POST
Fridays are even more busy. Lol.

6/24, 8:36pm
MY POST
Dang lady, you're a busy one! At this rate, I think it's good to be on the safe side. I'll put us down for April 1st 2029. :)
Unless you have a a more immediate day you can think of?

6/24, 9:05pm
HER POST
Not as of now.

6/24, 10:05pm
MY POST
April 1st 2029 it is. There will probably be more exciting things then arcades and mini golf by then!
June 25

6/25, 8:57pm
MY POST
Yea... I got bored and couldn't wait until 2029, sooo I decided to open adventure door #2 on my own. BAD IDEA! Apparently saberteeth arent extinct after all 0.o
Have you always been this good at predicting the future?

6/25, 9:01pm
HER POST
Tigers. My mortal enemy.

6/25, 9:04pm
MY POST
How'd that happen?

6/25, 9:04pm
HER POST
I just don't trust 'em.

6/25, 9:05pm
MY POST
Aww, I woulda pegged you as a cat kinda girl!

6/25, 9:06pm
HER POST
I like them. Just not tigers. Those cheeky bastards.

6/25, 9:07pm
HER POST
Das muh bebe
[Picture of her black cat]


6/25, 9:07pm
MY POST
What about William Blake's tiger? =o

6/25, 9:13pm
MY POST
Pretty kitty! Black. My cat is Orange. Put 'em together and you have the perfect pair for Halloween.

6/25, 9:14pm
HER POST
He's getting old though. He's a whole 8 years old. Although many house cats can live near 30.

6/25, 9:14pm
MY POST
True, mine is 17

6/25, 9:15pm
HER POST
Wow. He's a sage.

6/25, 9:15pm
MY POST
He's a damn trouble maker is what he is! :)

6/25, 9:16pm
HER POST
They always are, but it's worth it.

6/25, 9:21pm
MY POST
[insert picture of my cat rubbing my shoe]


6/25, 9:22pm
MY POST
I just got home, this is his customary greeting of filling my shoes full of fur

6/25, 9:22pm
HER POST
What a floofer.

6/25, 9:24pm
MY POST
Floofer indeed! This is him giving me the " I want you" eyes.
[insert photo of my cat looking at camera]


6/25, 9:31pm
MY POST
You're right, cats are worth it. In my eyes, to earn their trust you have to treat them like you would a quality woman. Respect their independence, give them space when they are mad, show affection and cuddle.

6/25, 9:33pm
HER POST
Yeah, it's rewarding to have a cat that is really attached to you. I love dogs, but they tend to be people pleasers. Lol.

6/25, 9:37pm
MY POST
They are! I always deem them try-hards. I mean, they constantly act like you have been gone forever, even when all did was go to the other room. What's up with that!
Wolves are awesome.

6/25, 9:43pm
HER POST
So are foxes! But they smell weird.

6/25, 9:45pm
MY POST
Yes they are. So...never smelled a fox before. You got a story behind that?
June 28

6/28, 12:20am
MY POST
So, assume you are already prepped and ready to serve your civil duty for the court this week. Your dress attire is:
A) business casual B) T- shirt and shorts C) A dress D) Invisibility cloak E) None of the above

6/28, 12:21am
HER POST
I have to call them like every day. Such a mess, that system.

6/28, 12:21am
MY POST
:(


6/28, 12:23am
HER POST
It's a really inconvenient way they have it all set up.

6/28, 12:24am

MY POST
=/
Bah. I hate talking being serious when it comes to the legal system. The whole thing is a circus.
My auto type skills are crap. Acceptable?

6/28, 12:32am
HER POST
Haha. True. Nothing ever gets done because it boils down to politicians own interests. It's all a game to be won.

6/28, 12:36am
MY POST
I can't stand big government.
Anyway, why so serious? I feel you frowning over the interwebs

6/28, 12:37am
HER POST
Meh. Just having a bout of meh-ness.

6/28, 12:38am
MY POST
It happens. I get that way sometimes. Mostly I'm optimistic. But sometimes.I get agitated or depressed. I can get down right emo
I look normal on the outside, but I think my heart sports a comb-over

6/28, 12:39am
HER POST
Oh geez. Haha.

6/28, 12:40am
MY POST
What? This is no laughing matter, what if it discovers a razor? 0.o

6/28, 12:40am
HER POST
Well. I mean. What happens happens. Haha.

6/28, 12:40am
MY POST
I'm DOOMED.
Sooooo
I think my timing came a bit to soon. You're down for us to go do something fun but rhe next two weeks are a bad time, am I close?

6/28, 12:44am
HER POST
As far as I'm aware. Plus, I get incredible social anxiety. I'm kind of terrible to be with in public. So there's that. Lol.

6/28, 12:44am
MY POST
Don't worry about it. I'm akward as fuck. I get wierd stares due to my behaviour all the time
So, I'm cool with that
I do wanna clarify a bit though
Just so you don't waste your time. Is that okay?

6/28, 12:47am
HER POST
Wait, what?

6/28, 12:48am
MY POST
Let me rephrase. =)
May I ask you a question...lol
Told you I'm weird

6/28, 12:49am
HER POST
Oh, okay. Sure. I was confused for a second.

6/28, 12:49am
MY POST
Its the internet. Somehow I make sense in person....most of the time?
Anyway
I thought you sounded like a cool person when I met you. So I ask you out on an adventure. But what if it was JUST an adventure.
If I were asking you out on a date, nothing serious. Just something casual so we can chat and find out more about each other. How would you feel?
/wall of text crits for 9999

6/28, 12:56am
HER POST
Well. I'd be kind of iffy. I don't want to come off as rude, so try not to take it that way. I hate saying stuff like this because like it sounds really douchey and cliché, in my opinion. But in this case it rings true. My boyfriend just recently broke up with me and I'm pretty torn up about it. It wasn't a bad break up, and we were both mature about it, but I'm still hopeful we'll get back together. I know that doesn't mean I can't go on dates and stuff, but I'd still feel bad. I'd feel like I was being unfaithful or something because of the feelings I have still, if that makes sense.

6/28, 12:57am
MY POST
Yes, it does.

6/28, 12:57am
HER POST
Like we still have this weird thing going on and Blargh. Not sure how to deal with it.
I'm not good with processing feels.

6/28, 1:03am
MY POST
Well, life is weird that way. When we're attached to someone it's hard to let go.
I knew you had a boyfriend when I started talking to you. Not that I was expecting you to be unfaithful. Actually it would be the exact opposite. However, I also never thought it was a bad thing to spend time with another person just to see how it felt. Things change, people change.

6/28, 1:05am
MY POST
So, when I met you, I figured I'd see where it went

6/28, 1:06am
HER POST
I mean, I was cool meeting new friends and stuff.

6/28, 1:06am
MY POST
Like I said earlier. I didn't want you wasting your time. So I didnt want you to get the wrong impression
Anyway, I know you have a lot going on right now and I don't expect you to just up and move on. Some stuff takes times.
So, enough with all that serious stuff. I don't want to overload you
Back to exhibit A
So, assume you are already prepped and ready to serve your civil duty for the court this week. Your dress attire is:
A) business casual B) T- shirt and shorts C) A dress D) Invisibility cloak E) None of the above

6/28, 1:12am
HER POST
I dunno. Depends on how I feel. Kinda thinking I would go in there looking like the Queen of Darkness and wear my Victorian apparel. Parasol including.
Kinda want them to think I'm too weird to be on jury duty.

6/28, 1:12am
MY POST
=)
I think that may work.
I woulda worn a mobile suit gundam
Epona to be precise
Or is it epyon
I think its epyon

6/28, 1:15am
HER POST
Epyon. Haha.

6/28, 1:15am
MY POST
Maybe I shoulda.worn a.minish cap instead
See, now I can feel ya smiling

6/28, 1:16am
HER POST
I was about to say, "Wait... What did you mean?" Lol.

6/28, 1:16am
MY POST
Better than being meh

6/28, 1:16am
HER POST
Well I also got some noms. I think that helped.
XD

6/28, 1:17am
MY POST
Lol, have a full tummy always helps! Just don't over fill it
Then it'll.grumble
Anyway, I gotta head to bed.or i'll never.make.it up in time for work. Got a lot to do this week end
Sweet dreams!

6/28, 1:19am
HER POST
'Aight. Sleep well!
June 29

6/29, 2:11pm
MY POST
Bah, so what's up with people who are driving slow in the passing lane refusing to get over when they aren't actually passing anyone? Do they think the other cars can bunny hop?

6/29, 2:12pm
HER POST
People like that are such buttholes. Lol.

6/29, 2:20pm
MY POST
I know, right? I was driving down 65 a few days ago when a guy did that to a cop.
There was plenty of room to switch lanes but the guy wouldn't so the cop rode his butt for 5 miles. I was watching it all play out as a stream of traffic piled behind them.
Eventually the cop got tired of it and threw his lights on and the guy pulled over onto the shoulder. He looked like he was scared to death because he thought the cop was going to ticket him. Instead, the cop speeds up, passes, and then turns his lights of like nothing happened!
Not sure if that fit ever got off the shoulder since the line of traffic behind him was blocking him. Haha

6/29, 2:21pm
MY POST
Fit...fit = guy..autocorrect ftw

6/29, 2:25pm
HER POST
Ugh! Back when we had that horrible snow storm, I was heading to school and people were deciding to take the shoulders to try and pass. Needless to say, they were stuck there. Haha.
So dangerous too.

6/29, 2:26pm
MY POST
Yea, there are tons of stupid people.
So, do you have plenty of explosive devices for the forth of July yet?

6/29, 2:31pm
HER POST
I wish. I have to work; I'm not allowed to take the 4th off.

6/29, 2:32pm
MY POST
No way, that has to be a crime somewhere.
Do they at least pay you overtime?

6/29, 2:33pm
HER POST
We're going to be super slow too. No one wants pizza when they're having a cook out. And overtime? HAHAHA! Funny.

6/29, 2:34pm
MY POST
Not my style of comedy. Don't worry, I'll order some pizzas from you for the party I'm hosting =p

6/29, 2:35pm
HER POST
Oh wonderful. ;-;

6/29, 2:36pm
MY POST
What, my business isn't any good at your establishment? Maybe I'll take my business to pizza hut! =)

6/29, 2:37pm
HER POST
Pizza hut's not bad. But we have better deals for lots of pizza.
Just don't go to Papa John's or Jet's.

6/29, 2:37pm
MY POST
Lol.
So, you ever chat on the phone? (Verbally)

6/29, 2:38pm
HER POST
Eh. I don't care to much.

6/29, 2:40pm
MY POST
Most people don't for some reason these days. I love it solely due to the fact that I can push more emotion through with my voice.
If that makes.sense

6/29, 2:44pm
HER POST
It does. I just can't enjoy phone conversations much. I've only had like three people I can talk to on the phone my whole life. Lol.

6/29, 2:45pm
MY POST
Most people suck at getting their message across in an exciting way.

6/29, 2:46pm
HER POST
I've always been more of a writer. I get choked up when I talk and can't say much.

6/29, 2:47pm
MY POST
What kind of writing?
Do you enjoy I mean.

6/29, 2:48pm
HER POST
I just meant in general. Haha. I'm extremely efficient in writing papers, though.

6/29, 2:49pm
MY POST
Do the call to Term-paper Thomas? =)
Call you·
Omg. I hate autocorrect. It's terrible.
Do they call you Term-paper Thomas?
Bam, nailed it that time!

6/29, 2:51pm
HER POST
Hahaha. That'd be nice. I and two of my other friends frustrated our last English professor because he couldn't help our writing that much compared to the other students.

6/29, 2:52pm
MY POST
Well, that is a good thing from my perspective!
So, I was thinking about one of our past conversations.

6/29, 2:59pm
MY POST
The last thing I want to do is put you under any pressure.
I was thinking, my friends and I frequently hold game nights where we either get together and play board games or dnd.
I like to keep our group small and they are all pretty awkward. Two brothers are bronies!
Anyway, how do you feel about you,and a friend if that amkes you feel more comfortable, coming to one of them?
I figure it would give us a chance to interact without bringing up any of the public anxiety you metioned and it wouldn't put you in a spot where it really felt like a date.

6/29, 3:04pm
HER POST
Hmm. That might be okay. Lol.

6/29, 3:10pm
MY POST
Sounds good.
I know the one on the forth doesn't work however we will do a few over the next couple of months.
How much notice would you need in order to attend on a weekend? Usually Friday evening or sunday afternoon.

6/29, 3:13pm
HER POST
It depends. Maybe like a week? I'm also doing swing dancing every couple of Fridays and so I have that.

6/29, 3:16pm
MY POST
You swing dance? Odd fact: I have NEVER danced before.

6/29, 3:16pm
HER POST
Neither have I! Lol.

6/29, 3:17pm
MY POST
Um... so do you just go to these swing dances and stand in the corner? 0.o

6/29, 3:19pm
HER POST
No, I'm going because I'd like to learn. Haha.

6/29, 3:21pm
MY POST
Ahhh ha! It all makes sense now! What got you interested in swing dancing?

6/29, 3:27pm
HER POST
I just thought it'd be fun to go and try it. Haha. XD
June 30

6/30, 12:24pm
MY POST
So I'm in the middle of a thunderstorm! When it's raining do you find your mind wandering to the logistics of taking over the world with an army of psychic robots...or id that just me?

6/30, 1:08pm
HER POST
It was always a regime of nazi kittens.

6/30, 1:17pm
MY POST
Nazi kitten and psychic robots? I like it. What do you say, shall we take over the world together? I'll split it with you 70/30. =)
July 1

7/1, 7:43am
MY POST
Hey, my friends and I were ironing out details for the month. We'll be holding a game night on sunday the 13th. Will you come?
July 1

7/1, 11:12am
HER POST
Hmmm. If I don't have anything going on, I can see.

7/1, 11:50am
MY POST
Well, if you don't have anything planned then I believe it would be a good idea. A person has gotta live a little or they'll never know what else is out there!

7/1, 11:53am
HER POST
Meep!

7/1, 12:02pm
MY POST
What, don't tell me you're shy! =)
You seem like a really interesting person however I won't keep asking. Besides, the worst that could happen is you laugh, make some new friends, and have a good time. That sounds exciting, doesn't it?

7/1, 12:09pm
HER POST
Or I could explode into a million pieces!

7/1, 12:13pm
MY POST
If you do, could you make sure they are black 'n' white reese's pieces? We'll probably need more snacks after something like that.

7/1, 12:29pm
HER POST
Lmfao.

7/1, 12:30pm
MY POST
=D

7/1, 12:36pm
MY POST
Anyway, I would like you to be there. However if you don't, no big deal. I'll wait until everone goes home to cry like a baby. ;)

7/1, 12:37pm
HER POST
Oh geez. Lmfao. Where is it?

7/1, 12:43pm
MY POST
A house...or maybe an apartment
Depends on the amount of people
It'll probably be my house, everyone seems to like it.
Want the address?

7/1, 1:18pm
MY POST
It's 100% tiger free btw. Just the house cat.

7/1, 1:18pm
HER POST
Kittehhhh

7/1, 1:21pm
MY POST
Pretty kittehh! So if I give you my address will you come? No offense, however I have to minimize my exposure to people who may send random pizza to my door and you seem a prime suspect! =^·^=

7/1, 1:22pm
HER POST
I can certainly try. Haha.

7/1, 1:23pm
MY POST
Are you bad wuth directions? Like you try to make it over here and end up in Cincinnati?
Anyway, it's:
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Indianapolis, IN

7/1, 1:24pm
HER POST
Oh, is that wolf's run?

7/1, 1:28pm
MY POST
Nope. I live near Eagle Creek. West side of town
Pretty easy to get here. Straight shot down either 465 or 65north.
Then there are like 3 turns.

7/1, 1:43pm
HER POST
I think I could find it. I drive to Martinsville and Bloomington on a regular basis. ^.^

7/1, 1:46pm
MY POST
Cool. I drive....everwhere on a regular basis. "Perks" of my profession
I was in chicago and the surrounding cities all of may
Not sure about doing that again.
So, I'll probably be ordering some food for the party I'm throwing on the forth. That philly pizza was pretty good. What else on the menu might be fit for a party?

7/1, 1:52pm
HER POST
Well, any kind of pizza really. I would maybe do our 20 or 29 dollar deal.

7/1, 1:54pm
MY POST
What's that?

7/1, 1:55pm
HER POST
The 20 dollar deal is two large one toppings, a bread and a 2 liter. The 29 deal is four large one topping.

7/1, 1:57pm
MY POST
Any deal on the specialty pizzas? Wasnt there a BBQ one?

7/1, 1:57pm
HER POST
Oh the BBQ pizza is heavenly. However, we don't have a special on that now.

7/1, 2:02pm
MY POST
I don't care about price. I care about quality. I'm the type of guy that will wait forever to find exactly what I want, rather than settle. I also LOVE BBQ pizza.

7/1, 2:12pm
HER POST
Ours is sooooo good.

7/1, 2:13pm
MY POST
Stop it! You're making my mouth water. =(

7/1, 2:14pm
HER POST
The red onions are amazinggg

7/1, 2:14pm
MY POST
I love red onions, get 'em on everything. Also, you're not stopping.
July 3

7/3, 6:59am
MY POST
I imagine this would be the General of you regime, no?
[insert picture of kitten with hitler mustache fur patter holding its paw out straight ahead...don't ask where I find this stuff]


7/3, 7:09am
HER POST
The General will be the general. =P

7/3, 7:13am
MY POST
Look at that mustache!

7/3, 9:11am
HER POST
It's the 'stache of a dictator.

7/3, 9:47am
MY POST
You need that in a regime of kittens. Have you ever tried to herd a clowder of cats?!
July 3

7/3, 6:55pm
HER POST
I'm sure I could. I am the cat weesperer.

7/3, 7:03pm
MY POST
Yep, I see it now. You're that crazy cat lady from the Simpson's 30 years from now!
Kitler up there will always be by your side.
July 3

7/3, 10:27pm
HER POST
A loyal companion.
July 4

7/4, 6:06pm
MY POST
We stopped by and git one of thise BBQ pizzas for our party earlier. It was delicious!
On another note, we just finished playing Cthulhu Flux. Would you happen to know anything about that Cute-thulu? =)

7/4, 6:17pm
HER POST
Aww, you came in too soon. I wasn't there. Haha! And I've heard of that game but never played it. My friend has a different version of it but I don't think he's even played it. =P

7/4, 7:05pm
MY POST
Well, flux cthulhu is major fun!
And we were hungry so you'll just have to wait until the 13th to see me. ;)

7/4, 7:06pm
HER POST
Hahaha.
July 4

7/4, 10:37pm
MY POST
Figured you might appreciate some hanabi.
[insert anime picture with character from one of our favorite anime with fireworks in the background]


7/4, 10:39pm
HER POST
Awwwe. What's she say? Hanyuu~?

7/4, 10:47pm
MY POST
It's Auau~! Really darn cute. It used to be my favorite cute sound effect!

7/4, 10:51pm
HER POST
Oh yeah, haha. It's been a while. That would be a fun cosplay.

7/4, 10:52pm
MY POST
I think so too.

7/4, 10:59pm
HER POST
Have you seen Umineko no Naku Koro ni?

7/4, 11:03pm
MY POST
I haven't. Have you?

7/4, 11:04pm
HER POST
A few episodes. Seems pretty good, crazy just like Higurashi.

7/4, 11:07pm
MY POST
Sounds like it is right up my alley. I just did a quick search and it seems like it takes place during the Victorian period as well.

7/4, 11:08pm
HER POST
Yep! (Apparently the same universe as Higurashi... Shhh... Spoilers...)

7/4, 11:13pm
MY POST
I love twisted things. Higurashi is almost the perfect mixture of mindf*** and psychotic hostility...and cuteness. Like cyanide coated in sugar.
I'll have to watch Umineko sometime soon.

7/4, 11:31pm
HER POST
It's so disturbingly awesome. Haha. But still has substance. And I haven't finished it. I started it a while back when it first came out and just kinda forgot. XD

7/4, 11:37pm
MY POST
You HAVE to finish it. It's one big visceral mess of chaos until the final arc ties it all together. Has a great ending.

7/4, 11:40pm
HER POST
Nooo, I've seen all of Higurashi. I meant Umineko.

7/4, 11:41pm
MY POST
Oh, okay. Well, you have to see all of that too. (If it's anything like Higurashi then we both have to)

7/4, 11:42pm
HER POST
From what I've seen and heard, it is. After all the same guy wrote them both.

7/4, 11:45pm
MY POST
That's a great thing. I like the way that guy thinks.
July 6

7/6, 12:47am
MY POST
So, why is it that call centers ALWAYS put a person on hold and then routinely apologize for " longer than average wait times"? I know you only have one person answering the phone people. I see through your ploy!

7/6, 12:51am
HER POST
Hahaha. Call centers. The work of an evil genius.

7/6, 12:56am
MY POST
Ned Flanders. The only mind diabolic enough to concoct such nightmarish traps. I called one today. The machine put me on hold witht he prompt that they would answer my call " momentarily".
35minutes later and I was still on hold. How easy it would be to just fess up and admit you were closed on a Saturday GameStop Customer Service call center! =)

7/6, 12:58am
HER POST
Wow. GameStop is such a horrible business though.

7/6, 1:00am
MY POST
Agreed. I find I prefer the impersonal yet precise fullfillment of Amazon these days. However, sometimes Gamestop serves a purpose.

7/6, 1:01am
HER POST
When I'm bored and need a game RIGHT NOW.

7/6, 1:03am
MY POST
We all have those moments if weakness. Sometimes delivery is just too long to wait.
So where do you prefer to shop?

7/6, 1:18am
HER POST
Depends what we're talkin' about.

7/6, 1:20am
MY POST
Well, we were in the topic of game. however, if you have more interesting shopping adventures to share then by all means, do!

7/6, 1:26am
MY POST
Example 'a'. where might one find and purchase this? =D
[insert picture of cute kitten hiding in a box]


7/6, 1:28am
HER POST
Oh, usually gamestop. Haha. It's really slim pickings when it comes to game stores.

7/6, 1:30am
MY POST
/nod /nod
So, you buy your "kittens in box" from gamestop. That section must be in the back room.

7/6, 1:31am
HER POST
Oh, noooo. Haha.

7/6, 1:32am
MY POST
Well, where do you get them from? Look lady, I'm not gettin any younger and uncle bills only ships in Styrofoam™

7/6, 1:33am
HER POST
Man, I got connections.

7/6, 1:33am
MY POST
Darn

7/6, 1:42am
MY POST
Honestly, I believe I am out of luck. Those darn kittens tear the Styrofoam™ to shreds before the box makes it to my door. Due to this, assembling a collection of Kollectible Kittens™ has proven to be an uphill trudge.

7/6, 1:42am
HER POST
Omg. That's adorable. Bwahaha.

7/6, 1:43am
MY POST
Only when you're the observer. Only when you're the observer...
July 9

7/9, 1:49pm
MY POST
So you like that tonberry hoody huh? You could cosplay The Tonberry Turtle at the new TMNT movie release if you had it! =)

7/9, 3:12pm
HER POST
Haha. I always thought it was a type of lizard. I had a tonberry charm on my phone for the longest time. =P

7/9, 4:26pm
MY POST
Hell, for all I know it is. I just know hus knife hurts!
Hey might you dobme a favor? would you mind bringing some tortilla chips to the game day htis Sunday? You would really be helping me out. I've been so busy this week I haven't had a lot of time to do any shopping for the noms

7/9, 4:39pm
HER POST
Chance of 9999 damage? Da fuk. And yeah, if my friend isn't getting their tattoo. I might have to go with them.

7/9, 4:49pm
MY POST
okay
July 10

7/10, 5:32pm
MY POST
So you were telling me that you like to teach you DnD character languages because you are into linguistics. That sounds pretty neat. So what about that field seemed to call out to you?

7/10, 5:35pm
HER POST
It was what I was best at when I was younger. Besides art things. But language in general has always fascinated me.

7/10, 5:55pm
MY POST
You're into art? I do charcoal sketches every now and then. What kinda art do you enjoy creating?

7/10, 5:59pm
HER POST
Painting, drawing, writing, acting. Pretty much all kinds. Haha.

7/10, 6:15pm
MY POST
Whoa whoa whoa, are you like some dark polygot that plans to usher in the end of days through artistic expression and nazi kittens? ;)
Which form of art do you love the most?

7/10, 6:34pm
HER POST
Probably drawing/painting. Or writing.

7/10, 8:09pm
MY POST
So, tell me about the piece(s) of art had the most fun making.
July 12

7/12, 6:43am
MY POST
Is this conversation starting to die from boredom, or is it just me? Going to go get the shovel just in case. 0.o

7/12, 6:44am
HER POST
Oh gawd, I'm sorry. I got caught up with life stuff and forgot to reply to your message. D: Then I forgot it was me who forgot to reply. Haha.
I was kinda sick most of this week also, so lots of sleep.

7/12, 6:50am
MY POST
Lmao, that's fine. Being sick sucks. You feeling better now?
July 12

7/12, 11:32am
HER POST
Yeppers. I do.
Hey, what time is your game night thing?

7/12, 11:50am
MY POST
Starts at 2pm, runs until we want to stop. I figured 8 would be a good cutoff, however, it may go longer.
Feel free to pop by whenever. No one is obligated to show up or stay.

7/12, 12:48pm
HER POST
Hmm, okies. I was trying to see if it would fit into muh schedule. I may bring a friend too if I can stop by and that's okay with you. They're super nerdy so they'll fit right in I'm thinking. XD

7/12, 1:19pm
MY POST
That's cool.
July 14

7/14, 4:05pm
MY POST
Hey dork. Looks like your scheduled stayed to crazy to swing by Sunday. You missed out on some excellent deadpan humor and shameless plugs to H.P. Lovecraft. =p
July 16

7/16, 8:14am
MY POST
Well, texting is getting kinda tedious but meeting you was pretty fun.
Maybe I just prefer goofing around and interacting in person. Whatever happens, happens.
July 17

7/17, 12:54pm
MY POST
Umm...did that last message make sense? I'm pretty terrible with words sometimes. =0
I'll rephrase it just in case. /Drumroll
So, just like you get social anxiety, sometimes I get social media anxiety... at least that's what I'm calling it.
I know it's the norm these days however I usually get burned out with digital conversations after a while. Partly because I suck at texting/instant messenging/ typing and partly because I get this odd feeling of disconnection with the people I am talking to. Sometime I'll feel like I'm just talking to an empty screen or artificial entity that doesn't exist. If that makes sense? 0.o
I would much rather spend physical time with people I know because it feels more personable and the energy feels different.
Don't get me wrong. Some people make me nervous in person too and things tend to become akward as all get out...but I find that those are the moments I appreciate the most and they are usually worth the uneasy feelings.
The lengthy summary: I don't mind texting sometimes, however my goal was for us to meet and spend some time together because I knew I'd burn out on texting after a while.
Hmmm, I'm socially akward when it comes to stuff like this.
We can call it a date if you want, but I don't have any expectation.
I just figure it's easier to think about it as a date, see how it felt, and maybe end up as friends, than it would be for one of us to go into it with false expectations just to find out the other person misunderstood. I probably just stuck my foot in my mouth but I hope my explanation was better. Albeit long winded.
Now please excuse me while I go contemplate just how nervous I am. XD
Speaking of which, how do you feel about all this anyway?
Shall we find something fun for us to go do?

7/17, 1:38pm
HER POST
No, that makes perfect sense. Uhm but. I don't really want to go on a date. I would be cool hanging out sometime perhaps. And like, I was cool with that game night thingy but I got busy that day. D:

7/17, 1:49pm
MY POST
Okay cool

7/17, 2:27pm
MY POST
So what's you're idea of hanging out? Lunch, ice cream, or do you have something else in mind?

7/17, 3:32pm
HER POST
I has no idear. XD

7/17, 3:32pm
MY POST
Lmao. You're really bad at this.
July 17

7/17, 9:08pm
MY POST
So, let's keep this simple. Otherwise it won't be fun.
Would you be more comfortable if we do with just the two of us, something as a group (your group) or does it matter?
And...can you see a map in our conversation now or is it just me? I accidently clicked something and I don't know what I did. @.@

7/17, 9:10pm
HER POST
I see no map, sir. Haha.

7/17, 9:10pm
MY POST
It's weird...and worries me

7/17, 9:10pm
HER POST
Bah, maps are harmless.

7/17, 9:12pm
MY POST
But what if it's the epicenter for the end of days?
It has a little map marker on highway 65, on the south side near thompson and emerson
I don't understand it

7/17, 9:18pm
MY POST
It's on Rum Cherry Way? Wtf... I'm lost. Anyway, I digress.
So, let's keep this simple. Otherwise it won't be fun.
Would you be more comfortable if we do with just the two of us, something as a group (your group) or does it matter?
(Hope you're not a grammar nazi)
July 18

7/18, 1:22am
MY POST
Thinking about it, it probably feels like I'm being pushy. Doesn't it?
I don't want that. Just let me know if anything pops up that you would be interested in doing together and maybe we'll hang out.

7/18, 1:23am
HER POST
Alrighty. I've been a bit busy recently though. What with summer coming to a close soon and preparations for gencon.

7/18, 1:27am
MY POST
I hear ya. I'm going to GenCon for the first time this year and I feel like I need a tour guide. Trying to get a few of my friends to show me around.
It's probably worse for you though. You cosplay so I bet you work extra hard on that stuff, am I right?

7/18, 1:29am
HER POST
Oh yeah. There is sooooo much to do. Try to do the things that are most interesting.
And yes. It can get quite stressful at times. My friends need help as well. One of mine decided to chance her cosplay at the last minute and needs wig repair.

7/18, 1:29am
MY POST
Why did they change?

7/18, 1:30am
HER POST
Apparently the jacket of her first idea was "too warm".
I thought it looked really good though and would be more distinctly recognizable.

7/18, 1:30am
MY POST
In temperature or color? Lol

7/18, 1:31am
HER POST
Temp.

7/18, 1:31am
MY POST
My friends are telling me to spend a lot of time in the playtest hall. I also got a ticket to the DND launch party on friday night.
Hoping to bump into Chris Perkins or R.A.Salvatore
I grew up finding respite in Salvatore's world and related pretty well.with the story of Drizzt. Being an outcast.and all
Good times those were
Who was she originally going as?

7/18, 1:36am
HER POST
Chie from persona.

7/18, 1:38am
MY POST
... I love persona. The whole SMT universe actually. The music... the theme.
Anyway, what did she change her costume to then?

7/18, 1:39am
HER POST
She's going as Heather from silent hill.

7/18, 1:41am
MY POST
What about yourself?

7/18, 1:43am
HER POST
Hiroko from Bible Black. Ahaha.

7/18, 1:44am
MY POST
Hmmm. ;)

7/18, 1:45am
HER POST
Exactly. Lmfao.

7/18, 1:47am
MY POST
I'm telling ya, you gotta do a black rock shooter cosplay sometime.
You could pull it off perfectly. This is the picture I have on my phone that I couldn't show you when.I met you.
[Insert picture of anime character black rock shooter]

7/18, 1:48am
HER POST
Dude I totally would.
I wish I had my long hair still. Haha.

7/18, 1:49am
MY POST
The short hair looks nice. You'll have to grow it back out at some point though if you wanna cosplay her.

7/18, 1:49am
HER POST
True true.

7/18, 1:50am
MY POST
Well, I gotta get my butt in bed. Gotta be up in four hours.
Sweet dreams

7/18, 1:50am
HER POST
Oh my. Goodnight!
[LATER THAT EVENING, she enters a facebook relationship with a new guy]

July 19

7/19, 12:55pm
MY POST
[I didn't know about the relationship change yet
So, have you ever thought about just picking up and leaving everything behind to run off to some anime universe?

7/19, 1:18pm
HER POST
Haha. I wish!

7/19, 1:20pm
MY POST
So you haven't thought about it but you wish you could? 0.o
The vulcan in me is making my head hurt

7/19, 3:18pm
MY POST
Hey, I noticed that you're in a relationship now. That tells me where I'm at and I'm okay with it. I still think it would cool for us to be friends and hang out since we seem to share a lot of mutual interests.
I was hoping you could help me out with something if you don't mind. I only ask because you seem like a straightforward person and I think you'll give a legit answer.
So, I actually have a terribly long list of criteria that a woman has to have for me to be interested in them. In my 27 years, I've only dated two that ever came close; however, they just didn't end up having what I was looking for.
It just felt like a huge ordeal to put much effort into finding what I want, especially since I don't mind being alone. Then I bumped into you.
You're actually the first person that I've met that has managed to hit everthing I was looking for in a girl. [Even the ironic fact that I always considered it as looking for my Queen, and you self proclaimed yourself the Queen of Darkness ;)]
I have to admit that I got pretty excited.
However, I realize relationships have to be a two way street, so it's no big deal that you weren't into it. I figure there will be others. That's where you come in. I was just hoping for a bit of insight on our interaction, that way if I ever bump into someone quite like you again, I might at least get a shot.
So, what's your opinion? Was there something I did or did not do that had an impact on my chances of getting you to spend some time with me?
Be awesome and help me out, will ya? =p

7/19, 3:19pm
MY POST
Oh, and don't worry about my feels. I'm in sales so I face rejection all the time! My personality is all about growing as an individual.
Sunday

7/20, 8:04am
MY POST
Yep, now I feel like a derp. Partly for crushin' so hard on someone I barely talked to in person and partly because I feel like I just train wrecked this whole thing yesterday. XD

7/20, 11:00am
HER POST
Oh, I'm sorry. Just overwhelmed is all. D:

7/20, 11:30am
MY POST
It's cool. I'd like your help when you get things sorted out though. =)
Sunday

7/20, 2:32pm
MY POST
Just to make sure you didn't miss it. You gotta read that giant wall of text like five message up for anything I said afterwards to make sense. 0.o

7/20, 3:42pm
MY POST
What's overwhelming you anyway?

7/20, 5:30pm
MY POST
What I mean is it's not clear if your response was answering my question, if our conversation is overwhelming you, or if it's just life in general.
Anyway, I'm going to back off since it looks like you have your plate full and I don't understand what's going on. Hope we can be friends down the road.

7/20, 5:37pm
HER POST
Just life in general currently.

7/20, 5:57pm
MY POST
Alrighty, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't stressing you out. I know I've been pretty heavy all through this because I was excited.
Anyways, I'm still going to just hang back and give you some room to breathe. When you do get time though, take a look at what I said up there and try your best to answer it as accurately as possible.
Oh and hit me up if you wanna go do something fun, I'm told I'm good at that! =p
Sunday

7/20, 10:17pm
MY POST
Shoot straight with me. You ever going to answer that question or does it simply make you too uncomfortable? 0.o

7/20, 10:18pm
HER POST
About what's overwhelming?

7/20, 10:19pm
MY POST
Nah, that's none of my business. Scroll up...umm 1..2....9 posts.

7/20, 10:26pm
MY POST
However I am usually the curious type so you could always tell me what's on your mind if you like.
Monday

7/21, 7:33am
MY POST
It's like this. I'm the type of guy that likes to improve where I can.
See, I met this neat girl and it 'seemed' like things went okay for the situation. Turns out she's kinda impressive so she might be a good match for ne as a companion and if not she'd still be a cool friend. =)
So I figure I would set up a time for us to go have some fun and see what happens. Had some trouble doing that. Maybe I pushed to hard or maybe it just wasn't a good time?
Turns out her boyfriend broke up with her recently. She was pretty cool with telling me she would feel iffy going on a date because of the situation. In my mind, she coulda worded that phrase however she wanted but chose to leave it in a way that that sounded as if she might consider it. So I assumed she needed some time and I would still.have a shot down the road.
Figured I'd just back off the whole date thing and just get her to hang out when she was free to see what happened.
I wasn't worried about when we would get together. Figured I would provided some options though.
Those fell through but it wasn't a big deal. A bit later though, I noticed that she's in a new relationship. That kinda sucked but it told me where I stood. 0.o
Still, I couldn't help but wonder if I had done something to blow my shot at taking her out, there was never any interest to start, or if I had just missed my window of opportunity.
Figured I'd just ask her and find out. That way if I bump into another girl similar to her I have a little more insight on what to do. lol =p
So, I asked her. Seems hard to get a direct answer. I'm trying to take the pressure off her and I 'think' I'm being pretty cool about it.
To be honest, a question like that isn't easy. It deals a lot more in the realm of feelings and less in logic so I would understand if she doesn't even know 'how' to sort it all out. =(
I think she's just emotionally oerwhelmed right now and unsure of a lot of things that are going on.
I'm being a but selfish but it would be cool to be able to make sense of it one day. Then again, it has a lot.of drama to it. Maybe we should just tear it all down and start over.
You got any thoughts on this stuff? @.@

7/21, 8:53am
HER POST
Well, my big issue is that I was pretty sure my ex was not interested in going out with me. So I thought it was time to move on. But as soon as I tried, he went crazy ex and now wants to get back with me with every fiber of my being. I had been casually talking to Michael for a while before he asked me out. So I was a bit more comfortable going places with him and stuff. However, since my ex is so distraught and actively seeking to get back with me now, it makes trying to date others pretty stressful. And it sucks. Anyway. You didn't do anything wrong. You're quite an interesting and thoughtful fellow. You just came in at a very weird time with weird circumstances happening everywhere.

7/21, 8:54am
HER POST
I'm just kind of like. Man. I should just disappear for a while or be a cat.

7/21, 9:50am
MY POST
Cosplay is good for turning into a cat.
Meow~ =^_^=
Anyway, the situation sounds a bit complex emotionally.
Why not just throw it all to the wind for bit and unwind?
You might be missing out on something interesting.
Give me an opportunity. Let's grab a quick lunch this week. Short, fun , no stress.

7/21, 10:15am
MY POST
Figured it would be an easy way for you to get more comfortable around me. See if we can get this friend thing to work.

7/21, 12:53pm
MY POST
I'm way too over-invested in this and honestly not sure why. Something about you just draws me in. What trouble.
Anyway, I'm not trying to put pressure on you but just level with me. It feels like something is making you uncomfortable with the thought of us spending time together.
Is it because you know I was originally interested in being more than just friends and you are unsure of how to handle the situation, especially now that you are dating Michael, or are you unsure of where you actually stand with me in general?
It's true, I did want to be more than friends at first but it looks like I missed that opportunity, provided you were even considering it.
That kinda sucks, however, I'm okay with it and I still know how to be a good friend and as a friend I believe that everything going on in your life is overwhelming you and causing you to shut down.
I, Dr. Quinn, believe the best remedy is for you to live a little. We should go grab lunch because my energy is contagious and on that I do not boast. XD
Talk to me though and let me know how you feel about everything. You've been pretty awesome so far on letting me know what's going.
Tuesday

7/22, 12:11am
MY POST
I respect you have a lot going on in your life and no room for a new person.
Doesn't help that I decided to go full-retard here either.
So, I'm just going to bow outta this because I think it'll be easier on you. It feels like I'm just being overbearing and not contributing to a solution at this point.
~clearing air~
I say this humbly. I truly believed that being around me would brighten your life up. I bring a lot of fun to the table and I'm a good listener.(only when I wanna be)
That choice will always be yours.
I also want to be honest. I woulda been fine with being friends, however I truthfully believed that if I got you in my presence that it would end up as more than that.
That sounds a bit selfish, I know, but the truth is everyone is self-interested.
I'm left wondering why I didn't get an opportunity to take you out on a date/hangout.
Perhaps you weren't ever interested, perhaps you just didn't want to tell me no, perhaps you just needed to feel more comfortable first or perhaps I just wasn't your first option. Heck, maybe you keep me at a distance because you're worried you'll actually enjoy it. lol
You say I came in at a weird time. I believe the best time is always the present. That's why I'm so darn persistent and why I believe you should live a little. It's hard to know what kind of story you're missing out on without turning a few pages, isn't it?
Anyway, how this turns out is your choice. I'm just going to hang back and leave it at that.
Take some time to feel it out.
If you ask me to stick around, I will.
We can always hit the reset button.
I just need some facetime at some point.

7/22, 12:13am
HER POST
Man. You say so much and I'm just like *brain fart* *potato noise*.

7/22, 12:15am
MY POST
Lmao, I get picked on a lot for being wordy

7/22, 12:15am
HER POST
It's not a bad thing.

7/22, 12:15am
MY POST
I'm dumb that way

7/22, 12:15am
HER POST
I just feel like someone of very few words. Haha.

7/22, 12:15am
MY POST
The converse is that sometimes I don't feel like talking at all.
I used to be that way
As a kid I was heavily introverted. As an adult I can be quite extroverted
The goal is to learn to ride that damn line!

7/22, 12:17am
HER POST
Also, I often have a thousand thoughts buzzing around at once and it's hard for me to pick one. So oftentimes, I don't. Haha.

7/22, 12:17am
MY POST
Lol
So, like...props to you if you manage to dig through that novel I wrote up there.
Anyway, I hope you get everything sorted out. I'm going to bed. Sweet dreams.
Tuesday

7/22, 3:26am
MY POST
Gah, can't sleep and I'm bored. Let me practice being brief. =D
You barely know me. Why not test the water? Grab food with me this week.

7/22, 4:33am
MY POST
Damn it, that's probably a bad idea.
I have been so stressed the last few week. Work, relationships, bah.
Originally it felt like I had the perfect stage for everything and I had just discovered a unique gem I spent my whole life looking for... then nothing turned out the way I wanted.
I typically don't sweat it and I'm able to handle two or three set-backs but all of it fell through at once.
Made me feel cursed and I'm having trouble coping. So I'm being selfish and emotional. I just wish things had turned out differently and now I'm trying to force it when I know it's a lost cause.
HP and Mana are on empty. XD
Going to shut up now.
Tuesday

7/22, 9:07am
MY POST
Disregard all the crazy, if you wish. Just do this ONE thing. Read this and the message above it.
Please answer this honestly. Just knowing will give me a chance to gather my thoughts and emotions. Then we can just start all over, with me being stable, if you like.
When we first met at Howie's I found you fascinating and wanted to see where it may lead. Was there ever a time you thought I could possibly be a potential boyfriend?
If so, did I just have bad timing? I know you have the crazy ex thing going on and I know I'm not shining in the best light right now. However, if you're not too serious with the guy you're dating yet and you're still looking at your options, would you ever consider us doing something together, just to see how well we get along?
It could be terrible or it could be great. I'd just appreciate an opportunity to at least be your friend. Even if I just stop in at your work to give you a high-five. =p

7/22, 9:11am
MY POST
I know it's long winded. I'm stopping after that last one. lol
Tuesday

7/22, 3:08pm
HER POST
At that point when you came in, I was dead set on getting back with my ex. But I thought you seemed like someone I could get along with and so I was like, "I need to stop being so sad and get some new pals."

7/22, 4:12pm
MY POST
And now?
Wednesday

7/23, 8:25am
MY POST
You're so quite lately. You were a damn rainstorm of words when I talked to you Howie's. lol
Quiet'
Thursday

7/24, 8:41pm
MY POST
So, what's up with truck drivers getting pulled over on the highway? Everytime I see one, it seems like they have the whole SWAT team out there conducting a police inspection. 0.o
Friday

7/25, 1:11am
MY POST
So look, I've been thinking about it. I've been a whiny bitch and you're going through a lot.
Screw that noise. Let's just start over.
What can I do to help? You got anything on your mind you wanna vent about or would you rather talk about something neat?
Like the growing chain of black market smuggling truck drivers?
Friday

7/25, 6:24am
HER POST
Omg. I saw one yesterday. They like pulled up to the truck in a parking lot though and it looked superrrrr shady.

7/25, 7:51am
MY POST
Hmm, which parking lot were they in? There must be a story behind it.
One has to wonder, what exactly are those dudes transporting...
Gundamn parts?
Gundam...
Friday

7/25, 1:19pm
HER POST
It was at Meijer. Hmm... Gundam parts. What could they be doing here in Indiana?

7/25, 2:24pm
MY POST
My guess is preparing for war by rebuilding XXXG-01D2 Gundam Deathscythe Hell. Perfect plan. Never would suspect it in Indiana.

7/25, 2:30pm
MY POST
Speaking of which, Duo..my favorite character in the gundam series.

7/25, 3:47pm
HER POST
I have that model built on my shelf. Haha.

7/25, 3:57pm
MY POST
That's kinda cool. Maybe you can show me sometime.
So how goes the swing dancing lessons?
 

Talmadge

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This is very difficult for me to say to you, because I'm sure you really do like this girl, but it appears as if you're chasing. Have you read Chase's article on reactions vs results? Give it a read. Also, let's break down your game so that we can improve your mistakes in the future. When you asked for her number and she paused (or so it appeared), my suggestion would have been to use social pressure and not offer her an easy way out such as the Facebook method. You felt as if you were being to forward, but maybe next time if you wait a few more seconds, another girl might relent. The key is persistence. As for your messaging, I scanned a lot of it, and it appears as though you are putting out much more effort in your messages. Also, while I admire you kept probing for a date, you really revealed a lot of your personality and life to her. In my experience, the less she knows about you and the more you know about her, the better. Also, try to go for a more devil may care attitude (article for that as well). You must be willing to sacrifice emotional highs and lows for more control, but this would be to your advantage.

Here's the difficult part we have to face: It's not going to work out with this girl. I used to chase girls and send long texts about the most interesting stories I could tell, and they would always friend zone and reject me over it. I never understood until this site helped me, but it drove me furious and sad for a while. So please understand, that I speak from experience in saying that there are so MANY women out there. I know your goal isn't to get laid, but all that I'm suggesting is that you date a little more, that you cold approach women (with or without friends). I don't have a crystal ball to look into, but I can almost guarantee that there is a girl out there that meets all your standards. She's closer than you think. The other 90% is in you to find her and make it happen. Dating more frequently can teach you with experience in addition to GC to improve yourself and find that one girl. If that's what you choose, be warned the road ahead is tough and frustrating, but also the most rewarding. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, feel free to say them. Good luck!
 

Smith

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I think Talmadge gave u some good advice =) There'll be others out there that are better than her, but first you need practice, which means to lower your standards.

Never get fb unless you have no choice, i.e. ur traveling oversea or she's traveling and doesn't have a phone number.

Let's be honest. I don't want a girl, I want THIS girl and if there is a shot at getting her at all, I want to maximize it.

This mindset can actually PREVENT you from getting a girl. U automatically put her on pedestal.

I quickly looked through your conversations with her, and u could've save A LOT of time if u just ask her out quickly during your first conversation with her rather than trying to get to know her on fb like 99% of the guys out there. Save that till u meet her.

It's the same with texting, the shorter your message, the more effective it is. and u were trying too hard and more eager than she is.
Some of your messages are witty, but some of them can come across as needy and putting her on pedestal even though u were trying to be funny. Just watch out for that.

6/24, 4:16pm
6/24, 4:04pm
MY POST
That arcade! Jury duty sucks, however I posses patience. Which day are you free?

6/24, 4:16pm
HER POST
So far I work the rest of this week and I have to keep all next week open for possible jury duty stuff.

6/24, 4:18pm
MY POST
How does next Saturday look?
.

Damn she's really giving u a hard time with her schedule. Instead of only giving her one option, give her 2 more, like I could do Mon, Tues and Sat?
so she can choose or reschedule if she's into you.
If she still gives u an excuse, then it's better to just drop it and tell her to let you know when she's free. Usually it's a lost cause.

- Smith
 

Wicked_Downfall

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Thanks for the advice so far. Much appreciated. I am going to continue looking for the type of girl that I'm into for a long-term relationship and lower my standards some for casual practice.

I won't be chasing this girl anymore, however, my desire is to keep her in proximity since she seems like a cool person to be friends with. With that said, circumstance and people do change over time. If we move forward as friends, what are the things I should be doing to maximize the odds that we may have an intimate relationship in the future? I have no expectations but I recognize that it does happen from time to time. Another female friend and I have had a situation like that arise a few times between us and I just didn't act on it because I knew it wasn't what I wanted.

On another topic. I live in Indiana. Does anyone know where I can start searching for a gothic/alternative girl into video games, cosplay, anime and Japanese culture? I'm heading to GenCon. Other than that, dating sites seem to suck and I don't actually care for the night club scene.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

Mr.Rob

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The place your going wrong is having a mental checklist of things you look for before taking a woman on a date. For one idk how you could find out all those things in such a short period of time, but what it does to you is when you come across women that "check off" everything on the list you instantly want her to become your girlfriend.... and you don't even know her!

Honestly my man you talked to this girl in the food shop for what? 5-10 minutes? and now you think she's the one. Your shooting yourself in the foot homie.

You put this unrealistic expectation on her that she's amazing...

On a less important topic i'll give you some feedback on your FB interaction. First of all when a girl declines giving you her number and offers FB it's 99% of the time a polite brushoff saying she isn't interested. I don't mean to burst your bubble but that's the truth. However I admire your persistence over the conversation. If I could give you one thing to ponder over is how you were chasing the entire time in the conversation. Ideally you want the roles to be switched and her investing that much in you.

Lastly, don't ever write super long messages explaining yourself again
/17, 12:54pm
MY POST
Umm...did that last message make sense? I'm pretty terrible with words sometimes. =0
I'll rephrase it just in case. /Drumroll
So, just like you get social anxiety, sometimes I get social media anxiety... at least that's what I'm calling it.
I know it's the norm these days however I usually get burned out with digital conversations after a while. Partly because I suck at texting/instant messenging/ typing and partly because I get this odd feeling of disconnection with the people I am talking to. Sometime I'll feel like I'm just talking to an empty screen or artificial entity that doesn't exist. If that makes sense? 0.o
I would much rather spend physical time with people I know because it feels more personable and the energy feels different.
Don't get me wrong. Some people make me nervous in person too and things tend to become akward as all get out...but I find that those are the moments I appreciate the most and they are usually worth the uneasy feelings.
The lengthy summary: I don't mind texting sometimes, however my goal was for us to meet and spend some time together because I knew I'd burn out on texting after a while.
Hmmm, I'm socially akward when it comes to stuff like this.
We can call it a date if you want, but I don't have any expectation.
I just figure it's easier to think about it as a date, see how it felt, and maybe end up as friends, than it would be for one of us to go into it with false expectations just to find out the other person misunderstood. I probably just stuck my foot in my mouth but I hope my explanation was better. Albeit long winded.
Now please excuse me while I go contemplate just how nervous I am. XD
Speaking of which, how do you feel about all this anyway?
Shall we find something fun for us to go do?
= not good

Glad your seeking to improve yourself in this area that's a cool thing but I have to agree with the other guys here in that if you want to get your "dream girl" or whatever you need to get a lot more practice in with women in general to get a feel of the behaviors that they find attractive.

Good luck dude.

-Rob
 

Wicked_Downfall

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So, I'm putting the cart before the horse, never had a chance with this one, invest too much, put stuff that's way too long in writing, and need to start working on what girls I'm into find attractive? Looks like I better get my ass to work. Thanks
 

Mr.Rob

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Wicked_Downfall said:
So, I'm putting the cart before the horse, never had a chance with this one, invest too much, put stuff that's way too long in writing, and need to start working on what girls I'm into find attractive? Looks like I better get my ass to work. Thanks
Just being realistic dude.

You have a good attitude with this stuff which is supreme and your not bitter or fatalistic (from what I can tell) which will take you far in life and dating. A lot of guys in your situation would have thrown in the towel way before this and just given up so I'm thinking you have strong character. And asking for the number close like you did showed you have some balls.

I think your view of women and dating might be a little unrealistic (I was and still am at times and I meet 100's of women a year) since you haven't had much experience dating. That's normal but I'd bet that the more you expand in this world the more your perspective will change along with a lot of other things and perhaps your rigid standards as well.

So what's your goal in your dating life W_D?
Do you want to have sex with tons of women? Do you want to be able to pick up and sleep with women whenever? Do you want to find your dream girl and settle down? (based on what you wrote it sounds like you want the latter, though perhaps I read wrong?)

I ask because usually in order to achieve each one of these goals you need to be meeting LOTS of women and sleeping with LOTS of women in order to have the abundance that is required to date women of such caliber. It's just reality. It would be cool if that wasn't the case but I've yet to find an alternative solution to achieve the same result.

Questions, comments, concerns?

-Rob
 

Wicked_Downfall

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My goal is to find a companion that I'm comfortable being my self around and capable of spending my life with. An interdependent relationship, as opposed to a codependent one, where we each provide the correct type of support to each other by challenging each other to do more with our lives and continue to grow. I have huge ambitions that I WILL see through, however I feel it will be easier to stay on path if I have the right woman in my life. I know the whole sex thing is going to have to happen at some point but I'm not in any rush. I just know I'm not willing to put in that kind of investment with just any girl that I'm attracted t, however she also doesn't have to be perfect. I just have to believe she's worth it first.

I formed some pretty powerful character traits when I was a child. I'm not religious, they were all my decisions and I know why I committed to them. So hell, I've never drank, smoked, taken any sort of drugs, gotten a tattoo, or bedded a woman. Although I have had numerous opportunities and plenty of pressure to do so.

Thanks for the compliment. I learned a long time ago that I have to ask for and go after what I want or my life will always be shaped by other people. Normally I'm a really confident guy that handles set back well by allowing my self to be selectively vulnerable and let feelings run their course. I know that at the end of the day the ball is in my court and it's up to me to carry the thing to the basket if I want to win the game. It's just I lost my damn mind and went full-retard in that situation since she was the first girl I've bumped into that fit my map. We all make mistakes and end up in situations that we have no proper response to. Just gotta learn from them and move on.
 

PrettyDecent

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Wicked_Downfall said:
I know that at the end of the day the ball is in my court and it's up to me to carry the thing to the basket if I want to win the game. It's just I lost my damn mind and went full-retard in that situation since she was the first girl I've bumped into that fit my map. We all make mistakes and end up in situations that we have no proper response to. Just gotta learn from them and move on.

Damn, there's a winner!

I'd recommend just practicing. Chase puts it like this - you can't make a home-run at the world series if you've never played a game of baseball before.

The good news is, you can reach a point where you meet you're dream girl in relatively short order because
1.) You know where girls like her hang around
2.) You know how to bed her quickly once you do find her

Give a go at these pages:
Why Cold Approach Works Better Than Anything Else
You Really Should Be Having Sex
A Comment by Chase about Losing Virginity

Hope to keep seeing you around, brother.

~Nick
 
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