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need quick advice please, did I screw up again?

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Space Monkey
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ok, so there's this girl who is in my extended social circle. We've known about each others existence for a while I think but hadn't really met, but recently been happen to visit the same friends parties.
He is a closer friend of a friend, so we don't really know too much about each other I think directly yet.

She was actually the first to message me 4-5 months ago that "I'm going to Thailand to chill and study and I heard by accident that you're going as well. Where are you heading and what do you do there?"
At that point we hadn't really even seen each other properly, so she was totally initiating this. I ended up not going at the time and then I was super busy with work for 3 months on a big project where I didn't see anyone almost outside my work circles.

I have seen her now at 2-3 parties recently, we have hanged out a bit and talked. I have not made a move (silly me). Always our close friends were around and it was abit awkward I thought. But I ended up messaging her the first night that it was cool to meet her a bit closer. She responded pretty much right away with positive message.

She ended up at my place at one time with a group of people but we were all super wasted, at least I was. So she left at some point when we all crashed. She had talked she is going for an Ayahuasca ceremony soon. I don't remember how the conversation went exactly as we were drunk but I said I was also interested in that. Then I pretty much forgot about the whole thing and about her as I didn't see it going anywhere but then she randomly messaged me with a very warm message and asking to come to the same ceremony. I was on a trip at the time and I answered short. Now we ended up at the same party again. We hanged out more than the first time but mostly not separately 1-1. I asked her out to watch a movie later by text (as she had already been at my place I thought it's ok). She was into it but said she might be very busy the coming two days as everyone is preparing to leave town for midsummer holidays here. She actually messaged me that evening that what's up? But I was tired and said, maybe we should do it tomorrow instead. She said, she has some birthday and tons of work but let's try. Now she messaged she cannot after all. But she knows she'll see me at the party a day after tomorrow (a big outdoors party with tons of people and people staying the nights). And she also knows we might meet at one festival in two weeks and in the middle of this is the Aya trip as well. (I know that's totally not suitable for a date, hahaha. and I actually just got the message from organisers those dates are full and I could go another time.).

I know this has gone south a bit as I haven't made any moves except via text. Ever since my last breakup 2 years ago, I've developed a pattern where girls (in my social circle or outside) who I'm not interested in or are just interested in sex dig me left and right. But girls I'm a bit more interested in than that, are initially into it, but then I get rejected sooner or later. I invest too much into this. I want to break the pattern. I'm in my early 30s but I'm handsome, fit and even though I have some issues and anxieties, I'm still a catch. I rarely really like a girl and if I do, I screw it up most of the time.

What should I do at this party? Try to hook up? Be friendly but "next" her and hook up with someone else. I've been a bit beta, so I need to alfa up.
Maybe try to hook up at first and if this doesn't succeed then hook up with someone else?
Or just be friendly with her and then be super friendly and alfa with other girls in front of her?
Or maybe not go to that party at all. I have other things where I could go too. Be a bit of a mystery and not hang out the same circle too much for a while.

There was a super vague thing that we might hang out next week but like I said, that was super vague.

I'd like to turn this around :)
 

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Cro-Magnon Man
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Meet her in person (at a party)

Isolate, and talk about how busy you have both been.

Don't get drunk.

Go out and get a breath of fresh air, escalate kino

Propose to leave together to go somewhere private or insta date elsewhere.

If she is interested there is a good chance of a rendezvous. If not she will dismiss your advances and you can next her.

Be upfront with her. Be Confident. Quit the Game Crap. Go find another backup if she doesn't pan out.
 

foggy

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Yes you did screw up. You have had plenty of opportunities to lay her and passed up all of them! You're lucky she's still talking to you.

Your attainability to her is probably a little low at this point in my opinion. Hang out with her at the party and gauge her reaction. If she's acting uninterested and being a little bit rude, then you know things are starting to slip.

However, let's say youre at the party and she's happy to see you. Do some compliance tests to get her investing in you. Move her so that you're hanging out one on one. Set a sexual frame and tease her and touch her, then fuck the living nightlights out of her. She'll be so relieved!!

You got this. :) Listen to Rocky.
 
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Space Monkey
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Both bloody good advices.

I'm thinking of maybe not going to that party as it seems she will only be there for a little while and she'll be together with our close friends. It's unlikely I can really find a place to have sex with her there.
Thinking of maybe not be there as she is expecting.. ?
I would go, just something else came up, which is a good chance, where I should be I think. To have that Aya trip during the same time as the next timeframe is booked.

So, I would meet her either next week (in case she gets in touch, I will not ask her out or to my place again via text).
Or if not, then maybe at the festival in 2 weeks.

Also, my ex and her boyfriend are at this party it seems like. That might be another thing to fuck up my frame. (Or maybe not:)))

Or what are your thoughts?

Yes, I did screw up, I know. But I would really like to turn this around with her as it seems she is still a bit interested.
I don't know I have this weird mindset that "I have time". I know on the other hand that I should escalate more quickly. Every time I've done so, it has worked out. I'm sometimes not sure if I really dig a girl. Like I want to dig them more than just one time fuck. And then when I do, I often miss the chance.

Thanks!!
 

foggy

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Dude, listen....will you regret it if you don't go to this party then the next time you see her she doesn't give one shit about you? Cuz if you will regret it, then go to the party. She's already expecting you to go, and if you don't go, she's probably going to have had it with you!!

You're making a bunch of excuses that don't even count as excuses. Saying "She will only be there for a little while with close friends" and "It's unlikely to find a place to have sex with her there" are not good reasons to not attend. If she's into you, she won't care about her friends and she will be more than willing to go anywhere to have sex with you.

Wait, you said she has a boyfriend!?
 

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Space Monkey
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The thing is that I know she has tickets to another festival close by the same night and a few nights onwards. Where several of our friends go. I would go too but that's sold out.

No, she does not have a boyfriend. I was mentioning my ex and her boyfriend who will be at the same party probably. But that doesn't really matter.

I don't know if she expect me to go. She said she will try to be there for a little bit.

I would go to that party if the Aya ceremony would not be the same time, it just appeared.

I will definitely regret if I miss any last (or not last) escalation windows.
 

foggy

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Good luck! Hope everything works out.
 

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any other advice?

I'm just thinking she might be easier to escalate at the next time I'd see her.
Or, I could go tomorrow and see how it rolls. I think I just might be disappointed when she is not there or in case she comes for a little time only and leaves to the other festival with my friends.

Then again, I think she might have been up until 5am yesterday, so she might as well been fucking with some other lad already..
Bummer.
 

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Is it toast or not? Or still time to man up for me?
I know, I know I was a fucking pussy multiple of times not to make any moves at the last party... or better, the days before we saw each other.

our correspondence. (if it feel slightly weird, is because I translated it. We're not native English speakers)

Me: It was very cool to meet you a bit closer. We should watch Y when I find means for it.
Her: Haha, yeah, the means for it can be tricky business sometimes. yeah, we should organise a get-together for Y. Yes, I'm glad too. And then a message about our mutual friend that I was a bit puzzled about as I didn't ask anything about him. That she woke up and she will give my messages to him. Happy Morning!
Me (after another hangout, this time at my place with 4 people): Do you feel OK?
Her: Yes, feeling splendid.
Me: What you'e doing on Thursday, we should watch Y.
Her: I don't know yet about Thursday, I have a show (she is an actor).
Me: Hehe, yeah, the show must go on.
Her: Ahaa, this week is your festival right?
Me: It seems like it, yes.
Then I went on that trip and she messaged me a week later.
Her: Hey! You were interested in X. The one where I wanted to go is full and I was offered a second dates option. There might be some free spots left. Anyway, if you're interested then, I can ask. I'm also checking myself out, how it is. I know you're on a trip right now. I wish you a super cool trip and cool time there. And saying hello and greetings!
Me: Hey-hey! OK, great. Thanks. I'll check it out.
Me: (now after a week when I was back and we had seen each other and hanged out together but I was stupid not to move her and to let her leave alone although she had stayed longer because I asked)
Me: Do you have a busy day? We should watch Y at my place in the evening?
Her: Hey! Super cool idea! Time-wise I'm not sure yet. I need to cross my to-do list off before the holidays. Let's talk again in the evening. Very nice weather again outside, so nice!
Ok, this Y seems promising. Do you have Z for it so we can watch it.
Can you send your email also, so I can forward you the info about Y?
Me: Hehe, ok. let's connect then. Yes, I should bring Z, so we have everything we need. This is my email.
Her: Cool
Her in the evening: Yo, how are the vibes?
Me: Can we meet tomorrow instead? (I know I know, the suspense is up for Y)
Her: Haha, at some point I am at a birthday party tomorrow. I'm trying to tie all the loose work ends before holidays, so I could leave town on Wednesday with light heart. It's been super slow today, I've been dizzy but comfy/good too. Probably I'm sill a little drunk/hangover from yesterday, haha. Of course we could also watch Y next week and do and epic night and watch two Ys.
Me: Same here. If your birthday is not as late as the one we were the day before, we can make it after the birthday, haha.
Her. jepjep
Me: Ok, so call me if the birthday gets boring.
Her: Ok, let's do this. Or if it's not getting boring ;)
Me: A thematic funny gif about boring dude in a birthday.
Her: hehe.
Her the next evening: Hey! You know, it seems I cannot also come today. (I don't know why she said also?) It's classic before-holidays work marathon that has sucked myself into it. I'll probably also postponing driving out of town one day forward. I'll still try to pass by to that birthday (that party where I was supposed to be too). So, at the moment I'll just say hello and send greetings!
+ a funny gif about being frustrated and working/studying
Me: No worries. Don't hit your head to the papers (comment about the gif). But you have to bring the popcorn or pizza now next time ;)
Her: haha
 

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Space Monkey
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alright she messaged me briefly "when I'm driving to that party?"
she probably needs a ride and might be bit desperate as most people are there already but still she messaged me.
any advice what to respond?

I'l promise I'll quite that beta from now on, period and thanks backstory and tworocky for your no bullshit advice!
 

Marcellus

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Letsdoit,

I haven't seen anything yet man, All I''ve really seen is you and this girl texting. Your devoting way too much mental investment into this girl and you guys haven't even had a proper interaction it seems like.

Me Example: I've been talking to this girl and telling myself how I'm gonna fuck the shit out of her and all this crap when in reality all I've done is text her and seen her at a party like once and I've been putting in heaps of mental time towards her and have zero outcome dependance so I know what you're going through.

You gotta move this seduction forward somehow, isolate her, Have a very flirty and sexual conversation... just anything man. And then take her back home and stick your dick in her man. As Simple as that or just find other girls. It's now or never.

Marcellus
 
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