Negging?

[ray_zorse]

I've just finished "The Game" by Neil Strauss. There isn't a lot of useful info but it was a graphic illustration of the pitfalls of routine based game and of letting PU take over your life (neither of which are advocated by GC and those are reasons that GC resonates with me).

One thing that features prominently is "negging". I had thought a neg was like an insult but having read the book I see it's more like a backhanded compliment, enough of a compliment that she doesn't take offense but backhanded enough to tell her she's not that special and avoid appearance of chasing.

This made me realize I've actually incorporated some mild negs into my game without realizing it, in the guise of light teasing... what inspired me to write this post was chatting to a little Chinese girl in the 7 11 just now...

Me: So how can you do an intensive summer subject while still doing your regular job, sounds full on
Her: Oh I do 2 days a week of classes and 2 days a week of working here, about 8hrs every day
Me: Wow you are stronger than you look...! (spot the neg, delivered in a teasing tone)
Her: (smiles, flexes her bicep) Yeah, I'm strong...

Is this actually a neg and what are the pros and cons of negging?

I partly have a moral issue with this because I think it is wrong to insult people if they haven't earned it, i.e. if a girl has a male conversation style, wants to bang, communicates clearly and moves things forward then you shouldn't game her, there is no need and instead you should reward her directness.

Also while I was reading the book I kept wanting to make this post but towards the end of the book another big problem with negging was revealed which is that it doesn't work on socially savvy women who will throw it right back at you as a challenge or just be put off by your negativity.

Is this why we don't advocate negging on GC? What other techniques do we have for destroying bitch shields and dealing with HBs who think they are the shit and you're not?

cheers, Ray

 

[Smith]

Me: So how can you do an intensive summer subject while still doing your regular job, sounds full on
Her: Oh I do 2 days a week of classes and 2 days a week of working here, about 8hrs every day
Me: Wow you are stronger than you look...! (spot the neg, delivered in a teasing tone)
Her: (smiles, flexes her bicep) Yeah, I'm strong...

I wouldn't even consider this as a PUA 'neg', because I say things like this all the time and it could be interpreted positively depending on how you deliver it, and in this case, her response is quite positive.

Negging = teasing to lower a girl's 'value'.
I think what Chase recommends is teasing to build a girl up or to create a us vs world frame. But I found a little 'negging' doesn't really hurt you, as long as your intention is not to insult her and you don't do it all the time. And yes, it depends on the girl. If it's a girl who's really into you, 'negging' her is just going to push her into autorejection. It might be funny, but she'll start to go cold. But with girls who think they're higher value than you, a good 'neg' without any insulting tone shows that you're not even taking her seriously.

 

[fsc]

Just read this beauty the other day

 

[Mr.Rob]

I actually like the PUA neg. I don't really know how it's supposed to be used but I know how I use it.

It's just a push/pull type of thing that I use in an glaringly obvious joking manner. I usually use this to amplify attraction and amuse myself. Sometimes I'll use a neg as an opener and give an instant PUSH and then quickly PULL.

Ex-
me- Hey!
girl- (looks to me)
me- DOG
girl- (extremely offended)
me- no I'm just kidding haha, I'm Robert, you're extremely sexy! Who are you?
girl- oh what? (confused as fuck) uh I'm Jeniffer

Mind you when you open like this you must be feeling amazing in your body, be 110% free from outcome, and have a STRONG frame (don't flinch when you get the bad reaction).
I can't open girls like this unless I have a lot of social momentum and feel on top of the world. When you feel on top of the world you are valuable and can suck people into your reality even if the opener of the conversation is negative.

What I'm saying is really irrelevant in a successful interaction like this despite how offensive it may look on paper.
However what is important is the sub-communication that you convey, or the underlying conversation of what's really being said which is as follows.

Ex.
Me- Hey = I'm getting your attention
girl- (looks to me) = You have my attention
Me- DOG = How would you react if I told you you're a dog
girl- (extremely offended) = WTF are you trying to be a dick and ruin my night?!
Me- no I'm just kidding haha, I'm Robert, you're extremely sexy! Who are you? = No, I just genuinely wanted your undivided attention and now that I have it and have created an INTENSE range of emotions in the course of 10 seconds of conversation you won't be inclined to brush me off as easy. Now let's start this conversation correctly!
girl- oh what? (confused as fuck) uh I'm Jennifer = Wow I can't believe you actually told me that! I can't believe I actually like you. You must be an dominant attractive man to not give a fuck but still be attuned to my subjective reality I like you!

So in my world a neg is something that though unpleasant for the girl at the time is actually going to work in both of your favors later on down the line.
In order to amplify attraction sometimes a little seemingly unnecessary emotional pain (that could potentially ruin a girls mood) in the present can allow for more explosive passionate pleasure in the future (when you're giving her massive orgasms back to back).

It's all a part of the emotional roller coaster that you take a girl on.

Think of it as if you were on a cliff with a girl and for fun you calculatedly pushed her to the edge of the cliff to where she almost falls off and then right before she careens to her death, you (the only person around to save her) come back and pull her back into the safety and warmth of your arms. Even though she wants to hate you for about pushing her off the cliff to her death you came back and saved her life, thus she has no choice but to love you.

Controversial?... Probably

Fun for everyone? (if done correctly) YES!

-Rob

 

[ray_zorse]

Wow some awesome responses, glad I put that out there although I should have known there'd be an article on it. The link in that article to the bored look also answered a longstanding question I had. Anyway seems I was on the right track as to the pros and cons of negging. But I really like IDGAF antics and teasing so I'll use it but not seriously.
cheers, Ray