FR next level.

[maximus6004]

So, I have decided to increase my game and go for the leaving. Most beautiful woman.in the clubs to see what happens. Its def a challenge. Here is why.

I approached a ton of woman last night, and well two stock out the most.

First girl, was asian.... beautiful dress on cut down the center clevage showing looked like a professional model. My buddy quincy was the one who actually pulled her over. Well here I am trying to deep dive this girl and my buddy is just loud and lmao, yea she looks at me and goes im scared he is yelling at me, I said yo its all good he is black and always loud lol.

Her"I dont believe talking like that"
Me"the super serious tone eh? Didnt we all just come out.to.have some fun?"

Her" yea, but he scares me" then she playfully hits him. They start talking about how they know the bartender and she accidentally got.him fired because he touched her boob but didnt want that to happen.

Her"but yea, I.dont get why guys just think because we come out dressed like this that we automatically want to get screwed"

Me"lol, well, common now, woman are very sexual beings"

Her"no we are not"

Me" its a shame you cant be.open and admit it, I think all woman should be able to be open about it."

Her"well I can be sort of a freak"

Me"like what?what would you consider to.be a freak?"

Her"no, I dont know you like that."

My friend"wait a second let me see your hand, ok no ring, I can talk to you"

Her"im so ridiculously single its sad, but im not going to just take anyone home and fuck him"

Me"I agree, I mean everyone should have a set of standards, but at the same time be open to exploring with someone they find attractive."

Her"here hold my drink for a second"

Me "lol, no, I dont do that"

Her"grabs her friend im going to the bathroom. Ill be back"

At this point I know she wont be back so.I try to get her to stay. But she resists, I cant help that I have too pee. And she left and boom she was gone any advice to dealing with this? Unless at that point she was already at the point of l am starting to see why its better not to go out with friends lmao. Especially when you are trying to deep dive and your buddies straight up talk about themselves.

Second girl this one was a drad gove away she kept.looking at me so I approached her. She told me she was single but her body language was completely closed off. Then was dancing with another guy all night. Neeeexxxxt.

Third girl, walked by asked her name couldnt her to stay she was looking for her friends maybe I could have said ill get some excersise in and walked with her.

Lol all while this is happening I had my ex was coming to pick me up and my.phone died so she tried finding.me.couldnt lol she might be a little mad but oh well

 

[Improvementalist]

Re: FR next level.

I see you've gotten no replies to this one. So I guess I'll post here. I'm by no means more experienced than you, but still, I do see some things here which to mention of.

- When a woman goes all logical and rational, or goes blaming or attacking with words, like "I'm just not going to do this and do that..", then what you do not do is answer with the same tactics - logical and rationalism. "lol, well, common now, woman are very sexual beings", "I mean everyone should have a set of standards". Instead, you try to banter with her, or try to steer her away from the logical road with humour or lightly teasing comments. I haven't yet come upon these kind of situations, but I know that this is how you should react.

But I know what you mean, I too love myself a good debate, but debate and seduction do not belong together (if you have to start debating, leave it for the pillow talk). First, they increase the woman's logical awareness, which puts her out of the seducting zone - plus, you may take her into actual defence mode. Naturally, you don't want her to start building will fortresses against you, but you want her to comply with you. This increases attractiveness.

Secondly, as you already suggested, your wingman wasn't really helping with things with his loud demeanors. I once had a wingman at a bar (a guy who has a girldfriend). What I ended up with was that he started asking me to begin heading home (I guess he just kept thinking about his girlfriend and, "Man.. What I'm doing here in this bar? I'm no more a single guy.". It had just turned midnight, and I had earlier said to the guy that we can leave when he wishes so.. That's when I regretted my words.

I didn't have wingmen in bar visits after that. Soloing is more of my thing.


Hopefully this answered your question. How to avoid auto-rejection and nextings? By pre-emptive measures! Even these won't completely save you from them, but it can give you a few save rolls.

 

[maximus6004]

Re: FR next level.

Thank you for saying that, I have started to notice I debate too much. Im trying to get away from that. Im glad that you pointed that out to me. Im going to start trying different things like stepping into their personal bubbles more then moving away and touching more. Then pulling away. Smiling and playing with them. If you could direct me to a few articles if you know any? Or.give.me.some.examples. when meeting.new woman, I have problems.with this, girls.I.kind.of.know.or feel.comfortable around I notice more logic comes oyt. Derp woops. For example today, I was minding my.own business working and my ex was on the plane.

I ignored her until she comes up chasing to get my attention. The whole time she kept touching me and grabbing me so she kept saying you arent getting this I said ok. Then touched her boobs, grabbed her ass and said well if im already in trouble cant really get any worse can I?

She continued to go.logical on me so I would step.into her personal space and say doesnt it suck loving me.so much. Even this I think is too logical but plays on her feelings more.

Like what about if I said, look at that smile, you are having so much fun and smiling why would you want to leave now?

More help would be appreciated here

 

[Improvementalist]

Re: FR next level.

Damn, I've read multiple articles on the topic, but I've forgotten the headlines.. All in all I've read so many articles that I just can't remember all the headlines anymore..

I could say some examples for you, but I think the best practise is to just go out there and try to find your own way of doing it. Just remember to keep your cool when encountering these different tests (shit tests etc.), and not trying to go through them with logic. Of course this doesn't mean that logic is banned from the whole conversation ("You look good so I decided to come and say hi"-opening for example)

Be playful and boyish, banter perhaps.. Keep the conversation light, but don't be too witty for your own good, otherwise you may put her into auto-rejection.

But even if that happens, you just next her. It's not a big deal.

 

[maximus6004]

Re: FR next level.

I have been experimenting with this a lot. Instead of.using so much logic, I been pointing out their emotions towards me.more.

For example, this one flight attendant I never messed around with yet, but came close.

Her"whats your problem?"
Me"two people can say hi, glad you missed me and want my attention again"
Her"dont let your ego hit you too hard"
Me"too late."
Her smiling
Me" so glad you get a smile around me"
Her"its hard not to smile at you when you smile back at me, you are just so adorable"
Me"aww well thanks, so when are your next days off"
Her"well I only have one day off then an early show, so not this time"
Me"haha you going to give me your number again"
Her"nope"
Me"alright, grabbed her ass got really close to her, bit my lip"
Her"I can probably expect you to fuck other girls, while your fucking me too?"
Me"yea probably...."
Her"im not ready to be a part of your horde of woman yet"
Me"ok, but your the one curious, I can always find another girl.... its harder to find a guy like me"
Her"I know."

Completely winged that one.... but guys dont have the bawls to approach her.... lol one tried, she told him.if she wanted to see a small penis, she would give him a call. She is a little feisty.

Other fa
Me"you are late"
Her"weather is bad, of course we are late"
Me"its a little early to be flaky, I mean our first date"
Her"first date?"
Me"yea what time were you supposed to land"
Her"half hour ago"
Me"yea, you are half an hour late"

We locked eyes, in a stare down I smiled at her and provoked her to smile she finally gave in.

Me"im so glad you have such an awesome.smile when you see me."
Her"oh whatever, starts laughing"
Me"I gotta have one more for the road"
She cant help but smile here.

I think, this is making things better, instead of also pointing out that she is being defensive, I automatically ask for them to smile until they do, then compliment them on it and touch them a little. Ill keep going.with it, if you have any suggestions, that would be dope

 

[Improvementalist]

Re: FR next level.

I have been experimenting with this a lot. Instead of.using so much logic, I been pointing out their emotions towards me.more.

For example, this one flight attendant I never messed around with yet, but came close.

Her"whats your problem?"
Me"two people can say hi, glad you missed me and want my attention again"
Her"dont let your ego hit you too hard"
Me"too late."
Her smiling
Me" so glad you get a smile around me"
Her"its hard not to smile at you when you smile back at me, you are just so adorable"
Me"aww well thanks, so when are your next days off"
Her"well I only have one day off then an early show, so not this time"
Me"haha you going to give me your number again"
Her"nope"
Me"alright, grabbed her ass got really close to her, bit my lip"
Her"I can probably expect you to fuck other girls, while your fucking me too?"
Me"yea probably...."
Her"im not ready to be a part of your horde of woman yet"
Me"ok, but your the one curious, I can always find another girl.... its harder to find a guy like me"
Her"I know."

Completely winged that one.... but guys dont have the bawls to approach her.... lol one tried, she told him.if she wanted to see a small penis, she would give him a call. She is a little feisty.

Other fa
Me"you are late"
Her"weather is bad, of course we are late"
Me"its a little early to be flaky, I mean our first date"
Her"first date?"
Me"yea what time were you supposed to land"
Her"half hour ago"
Me"yea, you are half an hour late"

We locked eyes, in a stare down I smiled at her and provoked her to smile she finally gave in.

Me"im so glad you have such an awesome.smile when you see me."
Her"oh whatever, starts laughing"
Me"I gotta have one more for the road"
She cant help but smile here.

I think, this is making things better, instead of also pointing out that she is being defensive, I automatically ask for them to smile until they do, then compliment them on it and touch them a little. Ill keep going.with it, if you have any suggestions, that would be dope

Good to hear that you've worked on it, and there is clearly improvement here.



Her"dont let your ego hit you too hard"

It's good that you have self-confidence, but when conversating with a girl, remember: It's less about you and more about the girl. (I recall this to be a straight quote from Chase or from a GC-article)

Instead of,

Me"im so glad you have such an awesome.smile when you see me."
Her"oh whatever, starts laughing"

You could just say:

Me: You have a beautiful smile.

A simple compliment, which doesn't get directed towards you - and besides, why would you comment that you're happy that she's glad to see you - of course she is glad to see you! And you have abundance. If she's not happy to see you, there's plenty of other girls who are just waiting to have a good chat with you

 

[maximus6004]

Re: FR next level.

Yea just figured I would relate her smile to me. What you said makes more sense. Ill keep going with it. Thanks for all the help.my friend! Thats why I love the boards!

 

[Improvementalist]

Re: FR next level.

Yea just figured I would relate her smile to me. What you said makes more sense. Ill keep going with it. Thanks for all the help.my friend! Thats why I love the boards!

You're welcome Glad I could be of help!