Night Game Feedback Please :)

[Lawliet]

Hey seducer bros,

Had my first night game awhile ago. Posted this on comments but Chase is pretty busy, and it's pretty long so I've copied it here.
Hope you don't mind me passing the baton, Chase

Mind taking a few seconds and chip in?

Yours,
Lawliet


Hey bro,

Super sorry for this collab post.
It's long. I really tried to separate the questions, but the ones below seemed to be pricking me as thorns on the side. I keep running into these problems, so I'm very sorry to lay it all out here. I can separate them if you so prefer. Just answer as many and as much as you feel like, no pressure bro. We're chill.
Anyway, here goes nothing...

I went to a club recently. Man you're right; many girls I saw Weren't as attractive as ones during the day. Anyway, approached girls.

Can hardly hear them talk and they can't hear me either. There goes sexy voice and welcome shouting brute. Conversations didn't go well at all. I also couldn't think of things to go on and deep diving while everyone's jumping seemed out of place (energy mismatch) So I decided, let's go nonverbal (sexy vibe). Stood there, leaned back and chilled. Everyone keeps jumping, nothing. No glances or any AI (that I noticed). Others weren't talking either. Just swinging to the beats or laying out on the couch or girls sitting at a table with the "why am I here" look while texting their phones. No AIs.

Now I know why most guys just act as energetic as the girls in their attempts. It's really tempting to do so. And it gets great responses compared to low energy.
I gave it a try, switched it. Got warm responses, and smiles. Hey but, that didn't go anywhere but reactions. As expected... But sexy calm energy didn't get their attention to begin with as opposed to a loud party animal lawliet...hmm maybe something with my energy. Or Something! Fundamentals? Gotta find out what

Couple questions (not specific day or night)
1. Deep diving while she's there with her friends swinging to the beat (ok energy) or leaping up and down (high energy) doesn't work for me. Maybe something I need to tweak?

2. If she's with friends, How do we isolate? Or do we juggle both? Totally new with group dynamics.

3. loud noises disrupting conversation
Normal Loud background noises.
Her: What did you say?
Do we shout at them? Repeat what we said? Sort of kills the sexy savvy vibe.

Clubbing related.
How the heck do we talk here? I'm amazed how you and many writers here managed to finger them or escalate or build connection / attraction by talking? It feels like a totally different game. Do we still deep dive + occasionally teasing to lighten things up? Or a totally different way?

4. Boring low energy vs. Sexy low energy
If I'm right, this is all about our voice tone, our eye contact flirting and nonverbals?

4b. I noticed all the high energy guys jumping up and down having fun gets glances from girls. Girls who then smile while watching them enjoy themselves. They aren't matching energy levels with girls but really there to have fun. Whereas me standing or chilling (and observing) doesn't get glances. Maybe I got the whole "sexy idea over fun" wrong?

5. Moving Conversation with purpose.
- Getting compliance in interactions. What to ask them to do?
It's great to know we need her to invest. But during the clubbings or even approaches, my mind goes blank. "Shoot first ask later" got it. Then I remember "Ge her to comply, build yes ladders" and then my mind comes to a stop at "How?". I just sat down, what can I ask her to do? And she's not wearing accessories. Hmm...
If there's a list of things or ideas of different compliances, That'll be great.

6. Getting their attention.
I'm been trying to wait others to look at me first before I look at them. But it seems that they only look at me when I look at them!
Either my peripheral vision is lacking (I can't see clearly if they're looking my way) or something's missing.

7. Eye Contact Flirting, Elite eye contact

Their Briefly glanced once
You say if we looked first, we be the first to break it, and contact again after 2 sec. But if they quickly look away (side, up, down, you name it) after we catch them or after we break first. Now what? Do we wait until they look at us again?

- how to work on peripheral vision? I can't seem to pick up other people's glances. But when I check by glancing over, they LOOK at me then! Darn it! Look at me first goddamit!

- "Let her drink from your glance instead of stealing glances" what does that mean?

- Let's say we do catch them looking. When she looks, you look, and she quickly looks away (You're not breaking eye contact) what now? Do we wait?

- You looked first, and she caught you. We look away, wait two seconds before looking at her again. By then she already looked else where. What now?

Oh and one more, if we walking past each other, we can't look away and then look another two seconds. By then, we already walked past each other. How to flirt eyes then?

How to get their gaze stuck on us longer than 2 seconds? I can't execute this stuff when they look away quickly. Grab their heads "LOOK AT ME! LOOOOK"

And what are all the nonverbal flirting articles? I know eye contact flirting is one, and the 7 facial expressions one, any more? Time to turn up the flirty lawliet !

Your devoted reader,
Lawliet

 

[ray_zorse]

1. Deep diving while she's there with her friends swinging to the beat (ok energy) or leaping up and down (high energy) doesn't work for me. Maybe something I need to tweak?

You can grab some basic information with the initial approach (her name, is she a student, where is she from etc) but deep diving as such isn't going to work in a high energy environment. Focus on bringing the energy yourself, getting physical, dancing with her etc... and if things seem to be going well then try to isolate her or take her outside or something, then you can deep dive if you deem it necessary/helpful.

2. If she's with friends, How do we isolate? Or do we juggle both? Totally new with group dynamics.

The age old problem. It can be difficult. Sometimes she isolates herself and deals with cockblocks and clearly just wants to leave with you, in that case grab your opportunities. More often she stays with her group as a test to see whether you're man enough to deal with the situation. In that case I recommend reading some of Mr.Rob's LRs and emulating him. Another option is wingman game, your wing occupies her friends for long enough for you to separate them. A final option is just moving her away from her friends, typically she becomes anxious and starts scanning the club for them, but sometimes she's actually happy/relieved.

3. loud noises disrupting conversation

Ignore, don't break circle, just persist, I sometimes have her repeat things up to 5 times and then type it into my phone but I never give up.

4. Boring low energy vs. Sexy low energy

Overthinking it, just talk in your normal voice and approach those biyatches and have a good time out.

4b. I noticed all the high energy guys jumping up and down having fun gets glances from girls. Girls who then smile while watching them enjoy themselves. They aren't matching energy levels with girls but really there to have fun. Whereas me standing or chilling (and observing) doesn't get glances. Maybe I got the whole "sexy idea over fun" wrong?

Totally wrong. Dudes with GREAT fundamentals (body, etc) and lots of social proof can lay back in the club and get results. Ordinary dudes like you and me can't. We get out what we put in. It's vital to be always approaching and to be bringing the energy and the party. Typically you do this by dancing with girls, taking control, making witty banter and so on. Standing there looking sexy does absolutely nothing.

5. Moving Conversation with purpose.
- Getting compliance in interactions. What to ask them to do?

The biggest one is moving girls -- introduce yourself, grab some basic info and then say "hey come and sit over here, it's more comfortable" or some such... try to move her only a couple of metres at first, then after another 5 mins try to move her to a different part of the club or to the bar or something, eventually you want to move her completely out of the club and to your home, but babysteps first. If you are going to sit down, tell her where to sit. If you are buying drinks, tell her what to order for you. Also when sitting there are lots of ways to get compliance such as taking her hand (perhaps to inspect her jewellery)... or you can have her mind your drink while you go to the bathroom or something... be creative, anyway there are articles on compliance on the main site, I am sure you have read some, don't they have ideas?

6. Getting their attention.
I'm been trying to wait others to look at me first before I look at them. But it seems that they only look at me when I look at them!
Either my peripheral vision is lacking (I can't see clearly if they're looking my way) or something's missing.

Well firstly you probably need to work on your fundamentals more (as do I)... I don't expect to be checked out in general, when it does happen (and I notice in my peripheral vision) it's like a GREAT DAY for me, I want to jump for joy. Given you're obviously only just starting out, you're going to have to generate interest yourself, by approaching... don't worry about all the finer points of eye contact, just approach man.

7. Eye Contact Flirting, Elite eye contact

This is pretty advanced material and will have to be practiced for months and months, you're finding it difficult and so do I. Don't worry, that's normal. Focus on areas where you can get fast returns and come back to this later. My eye contact improved a bit in the last month but has gone backwards as I had a bad week where I checked out a lot of girls instead of maintaining eye contact discipline, this broke my good habits and now I'm back to scanning again. Fuck, it's so frustrating. Just have to start again from the bottom and try to convince my brain that I am not a guy who needs to scan for girls all the time...

Ray

 

[Lawliet]

Awesome feedback as always ray. Feels like a bro

About #7, how do you eye flirt when they look away pretty quickly?