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OK, first things first, this takes place in Tokyo and I’ve never seen as many guys approach girls in the street as I’ve seen Japanese guys.

Two days ago there was a girl. Flashy girl yes, but not that flashy, just skirt and high heels like so many other girls. She was walking towards the metro station around one of the big evening spots carrying a trolley.
In the short space of maybe 300 meters between two traffic lights she got approached by Four different guys. Four!
That’s freaking crazy!


MEET THE RSD GUY

Anyway, I’m walking around when a blonde guy approaches me saying "he's up to the same thing I'm probably up to" and we keep rolling together.

To approach women he walks to their side for a few meters, but very close, at exactly their same pace, which makes it obvious he’s there with an agenda and gives off, in my opinion, and “off” vibe.

We talked to several girls, but I’ll outline just two main ones here:

TOO MUCH FUN

As he speaks to two women he barely introed me and speaks Japanese with the girls, which makes me feel like I'm some kind of dork hanger-on.
So when I lock eyes with a girl passing by with her friend -let's call them "my girl" and "GF- I just leave and go say hi.

The girl clearly likes me and both her and her friend stop to talk to me… All good and everyone's warm and nice... And then RSD guy storms in.
He takes the whole interaction over by going superfun in what, to me, is the typical Tyler/RSD style.

It’s a bit jarring, I probably have some mental hang ups about that “fun” style but at least here, I was having all my worst doubts confirmed.

The girls are laughing like hell. And not just that, they are repeatedly clapping their hands!
Yet GF also takes a couple of steps away a couple of times as if to keep going and RSD goes after them in what's becoming a clear “move away/chase dynamic”

My girl tries to re-bring me into the conversation for 2 or 3 times and I try to re-engage with her as well hoping RSD will go for the friend, but nope. He doesn't and we can’t manage to overpower the Japanese speaking RSD guy, and after a while the girls just bid farewell.
There it goes: a girl clearly into me disappearing in the night. What the fuck, RSD is cool guy, I enjoy talking to him, but I’m also thinking he’s a bit of a ballast in terms of girls’ interactions.

RSD Idiot and shitstorm in Japan
Little side story: he explains me a lot as he’s been here for more than 3 years and I’m amazed at hearing how, he says, things became markedly more difficult with women after a video from RSD Julien went viral and featured on Japanese national TV.

The video was of Julien RSD and he was saying you can do anything you want as a white guy. And to stress that, he went around "opening" women with Asian-sounding gibberish and taking women’s head and putting it on his crotch.

It was pretty a shit storm indeed, and while the video has long been removed there’s A LOT of talk about it on the Internet. Some videos talking about the event have more than a million views and here’s Julien being scolded as a baby with his hands in the jar on nothing less than CNN : Julien get scolded on CNN.

I understand it’s tough on the hot seat, but fuck was that a bad interview, he like went there begging for mercy, backtracked on everything and juts put his tail between his legs as the super unprofessional interviewer feasted on him.

I’m not sure such a video could have done such a remarkable difference single-handedly, but it was an interesting story and a pity the idiocy of that guy brought misconceptions of cold approaching in the minds of many women.

Anyway, fuck that if you use the story to make excuse or to lull in the broken paradigm of "things were so much better back then".
We keep rolling and we go to a bar, I talk to an older but still attractive woman from behind the back of another girl's chair. She’s happy to let her boobs rest on my hand and get her face very close to mine, but she’s alone, and I don’t feel like leaving my friend alone and try to isolate her.
Later he won’t have the same remorse in going to sit with her, but anyway..


INSTANT PHYSICALITY

This second set I was actually impressed.
Two girls, let's call the first chubbier, the second blonde.
He approached is as most of the times speaking in Japanese.
He goes right away with the RSD game on chubbier, very funny and quickly touchy and ask blonde to take a picture of them.
The girls lap it up.

I disappeared.
Like if I wasn’t there.
That was a bit hard on me.
Girls pleeeeeaase, give me some attention, the first girl I talked to tonight took a picture of me, the second told me I was handsome… Pleeeease I'm also cool.
LOL, jokes aside, I stood there and observed.

RSD tries to pull chubbier close for a kiss but she doesn’t want any of it.
After exchanging contacts with chubbier he keeps talking and making fun. And now blonde is more into him, so he goes for her. Argh, just switching woman to hit on in front of them. In the past when I talked to two girls and focused on one just to get rebuffed by her having a BF I always felt idiotic to then target her friend.
Anyway, Again same technique from RSD, and blonde likes it even more than chubbier!

She’s cracking up laughing like a little hyena all the time and enjoying the attention like noone’s business.

When he exaggerates with a full front hugging and face seductively close to her hear blonde taps on his chest and I think “ok, that’s a friendly sign you're crossing the line”, but then she let her rest her hand on his chest, and that’s not a friendly gesture anymore.
Among all the banter he exchanges contact with her (first got refused, then went again on a fun rampage, that of backing off and going for it was actually good). Then weakly propose to go somewhere for a drink and I jump on it. But... Did you guess it? My opinion doesn’t count that much here lol and RSD doesn’t stick to his guns. So we just keep standing here as the girls laugh their asses off and RSD keeps his strong kino up.

After some more time which seems an eternity to me I realize all this banter and hugging plateud a long time ago and isn’t going anywhere, so I jump in and push to move for a drink.
It doesn’t happen: it’s a girl’s night says chubbier and they’re now going back to her place. I push for joining them, but RSD isn’t full force behind the idea of inviting us over: he’s just too happy with the performance so far I believe so they just go.

We later see the girls again actually: they didn’t go home.
But I was surprise at seeing blonde sending RSD two texts shortly after with love-stickers.

Was she really into him?



THE PULL
Anyway, around 3am maybe we went to a small club which was free entrance by now -great, entrance fees tend to be high here-.

A few black guys were hanging around there, which I thought wasn’t a great sign as it means girls who like black guys will probably go there, but it's no biggie.

I went to look at the dance floor and slightly move my body to the sound of the music. And of course RSD started jumping around and dancing with a group of 2 girls and a guy lol.
After 3 minutes I went for a drink and noticed a girl by herself as we locked eyes.
I decide to go for the drink first anyway, then if she’s still there I'll go for her.
Such a move raises your value but risks of not capitalizing on the moment if the girl moves.

But as I get my drink and turn she's still there and she's super warm. She was likely hoping for me to approach. I lock with my arm on the small shelf to our left.
She's here by herself. LOL, I smile to myself.

Light convo, light deep diving, some joking. She asks me where I live -near baby, very near ;), of course-, she says she likes movies and I ask what's her favourite -I was like waiting for that lol- so when the beer is like 2/3 gone I say we finish it and we go watch Inception.
She laughs, I know she likes the idea, I repeat the plan and then we finish the beer and go.

The very first person I talked to in the club ended up being the girl I took home.
I was almost disappointed this was my first time in a Japanese club and I’m out after like 30 minutes or less and I almost regretted not having tried clubs before: who knows if it was going to be so easy everywhere?

On the way out I say bye to RSD who's chatting and drinking with two local guys.
He tries to stop me for a bit too long for my taste which underlines either disregard for my situation or lack of social intuition: in spite of strong buy in a pull is always a pull and you can’t let your girl go too far ahead by herself.
He asks me if “I’m going to fuck her” which I thought was a silly question, and made me think whether or not he was actually happy for me. I quickly reply "I hope so" as I start walking and I"m outta there.


Not much more to say, except she was on her period and I hadn’t seen an external tampon in like I don’t know when lol.
 

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Re: LR – Night out with RSD student: observations, RSD idiocy, thoughts and repo

I didn't quite understand this report. If he was being such a cockblock and spotlight whore then after a while why didn't you just bail and go solo? From the sound of your report it seems as if he approached you and you guys teamed up, except this wasn't a real team with each guy pulling for each other. It also seems like his energy level or personality level was a bit too much for you and you'd probably feel more comfy with a more subdued wingman.
 

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Hey dude, nice lay, pretty straightforward haha!

Two days ago there was a girl. Flashy girl yes, but not that flashy, just skirt and high heels like so many other girls. She was walking towards the metro station around one of the big evening spots carrying a trolley.
In the short space of maybe 300 meters between two traffic lights she got approached by Four different guys. Four!
That’s freaking crazy!

Sounds like some good competition in Japan, man!

MEET THE RSD GUY

RSD dude sounds like one of those guys that doesn't know how to take the information he's given.

RSD doesn't have bad advice, it's good in a lot of ways. It's just people don't know how to use it at all. Like some of their "fun" videos, it makes sense more as a mindset than an actual thing that you do in the field. Some guys will say, "Oh, FUN, yeah I'll be FUN!" Then they go out and try and clown their way into girls' pants. Afterwards they wonder, "I was having fun, what's the deal?" Whereas what I'll do is say, "Oh fun, you need to be having fun in the environment, not just clowning," and it makes sense. When I went out and had fun in a club, I get way better results than going in just trying to approach. Girls can smell emotions, so if they sense that you're not having fun chillin' the club, they know you want something from them and blow you out. It all depends on how you take the information you're given.

Also, daygame probably isn't the best place for all that gimmicky shit he's doing. Not only that, but if he doesn't take it back to a real level, they're just going to think he's this weird character with no substance.

The most I can say is he's taking action. If he keeps up, hopefully he'll realize he doesn't need to clown around to get the girl.

Anyway, fuck that if you use the story to make excuse or to lull in the broken paradigm of "things were so much better back then".

So true. No one can use that as an excuse to say, "He broke cold approaching WAAA!"

She’s cracking up laughing like a little hyena all the time and enjoying the attention like noone’s business.
Like I said, if you don't know what you're doing, you can't fun game a girl to the pull. At least that's not what I would do.

A few black guys were hanging around there, which I thought wasn’t a great sign as it means girls who like black guys will probably go there, but it's no biggie.

Lolwut? Don't understand this. That's like me saying, "Oh man, this club is filled with white guys, the girls must go for white guys here." C'mon, dude.

Overall dope though man, I've went out with an RSD guy and I don't think I'll do it again. Some of them take a lot of action, but they come off reaaaallly weird in my experience. The dude I met up with was like, "Wait, you're black?" and kept on that for a good minute haha. Lots of weird beliefs, but I'm not discounting RSD methods. It's definitely what I use when I go out at night, I'm not good at the whole fly under the radar thing. But for daygame, GC all day.

Keep it up bro, burn Japan down!

Jake.
 

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HellAtlantic said:
I didn't quite understand this report. If he was being such a cockblock and spotlight whore then after a while why didn't you just bail and go solo? From the sound of your report it seems as if he approached you and you guys teamed up, except this wasn't a real team with each guy pulling for each other. It also seems like his energy level or personality level was a bit too much for you and you'd probably feel more comfy with a more subdued wingman.

I always run solo, I was seeing this as an opportunity to see and be with someone in action -also first time ever with a guy who actually studied "PUA" material"-.

So in a way, the more different he was, the better.
 

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RSD doesn't have bad advice, it's good in a lot of ways. It's just people don't know how to use it at all. Like some of their "fun" videos, it makes sense more as a mindset than an actual thing that you do in the field. Some guys will say, "Oh, FUN, yeah I'll be FUN!" Then they go out and try and clown their way into girls' pants. Afterwards they wonder, "I was having fun, what's the deal?" Whereas what I'll do is say, "Oh fun, you need to be having fun in the environment, not just clowning," and it makes sense. When I went out and had fun in a club, I get way better results than going in just trying to approach. Girls can smell emotions, so if they sense that you're not having fun chillin' the club, they know you want something from them and blow you out. It all depends on how you take the information you're given.

Cool Jake, yeah I probably have misconceptions, always saw RSD founder Tyler as way over the top and this was for me the first time to see the same style in real life and not in some after-cut videos and was very curious -also not dissing the style, the guy did get some results after all: the girl texted him first with love-stickers, only major question is if she was then willing to meet him again-.

That's a good point you make, that kind of "bubbly" style and insta-kisses would probably work much better in a bar/club environment than in the street.

I agree with you otherwise, if you don't overstep into clown territory then having fun is great, and not just for getting better results with girls but... For you too, hey, what do you want a life of fun and laughter or one of "seriousness" and boredom?


Lolwut? Don't understand this. That's like me saying, "Oh man, this club is filled with white guys, the girls must go for white guys here." C'mon, dude.

LOL well yes and not, it's not exactly the same where, say, whites are the majority and a club is not characterized by "white audience". It would be different in, say, a rocker club frequented by many white expats in Lagos. What I mean is the venue you go to does make a difference in how easy you'll be able to get things done ie. to stay on the same example I was living in a major city in Europe with one single hip hop club frequented 80% by black expats in rapper attire and there was a tendency for girls there to like rap and/or black guys -or I thought there was such a tendency- I'd sometimes end up there with my Madagascarian friend and this place reminded me of those years.

Same would be if a venue was 80% frequented by, say, lifters, then you could expect girls there, many of whom healthy nuts themselves, not being too into thin guys.
Or a rave where 80% are one drugs and with tattoes and piercings and dancing all night and you're with a white shirt and don't do drugs and don't dance much... Etc. etc you get my point.

But yeah, just a thought crossing my mind regarding the venue, nothing major, you can get results anywhere (and in a way, if you're one of a kind in the venue then you could also say you're the one getting points).
 

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I totally dig your lay report and that RSD guy is quite hilarious. I've heard mixed reviews about RSD (most especially RSD Tyler). Some people say their cool (mostly beginners or inexperienced puas) while others say their (his) style is too much effort and over the top and that it's not their style (mostly advanced guys that fall into this camp).
I'm curious, you said
It
would be different in, say, a rocker
club frequented by many white
expats in Lagos
Have you ever been to Lagos (Nigeria)? That's where I live right now (I've lived here in this city most part of my life!)
 
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Guess I'm booking that trip to Japan soon lol I love japanese women. They're so "shy" yet wild and sexy once they open up to you.

Interesting observation about the RSD 'student'. The thing is anyone can call themselves an RSD guy after following them on youtube for a while but never go on any of their programme lol. I've been taking Tyler's hotseat @ home programme, and so far he's focusing on teaching you the core principles and handle the fundamentals and even be polite. None of the over the top and having fun stuff so definitely applicable to any situation lol. It's been valuable so far, and gave me good results. Also some of the LR's people share in the HS@H group showed that they really get it and know how to calibrate. I guess when people pay to be in a community, you only get the guys that are serious and can give good advice to each other. Anyway, not calling myself an RSD guy, but just pointing out some misconceptions, because before the programme, I used to think their over the top "having fun" stuff is not for me, but then I realize that's just how they hook you in to take their programme, which has the actual useful stuff. It just sounds like this guy only follows the Youtube stuff and never actually took any programme, but I think he'll figure it out soon himself lol.
 

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I started off here at GIrlschase when I broke up with my ex back in October, I'd heard of RSD before but didn't really care much for them. However even after reading Chase's articles it took me a couple times of going out in order to actually make approaches, once I watched the RSD videos and started using some of Tyler's tactics/mindsets I started having a lot more fun with pickup! My results are pretty solid for a beginner-intermediate.

The way I do it now is I use both, I use RSD videos to pep up my mindset and motivate me/make me positive and fearless in the face of rejection, however I use Girlschase to garner the proper techniques that I need to pull properly on dates and in pickup.

I will say this, I go out with 5-6 RSD guys regularly but my success and closing ratio is much higher than them, I've told them about this site but they're... a bit stuck on using one form of learning (RSD).

I think the Girlschase forums/articles are the best way to level up and become a more advanced seducer (since we don't just focus on mindset, it's also tactics), but I highly recommend RSD videos for anyone that's scared to run their first approaches haha, it makes you literally not give a flying fuck. Acting like Tyler really helps with my confidence levels too, I'm a little too polarizing already to act like Julian (I've done it before and it's a major turn off because I don't have the right calibration and balance) but being a little more fun and using more humor like Tyler has helped me a lot.
 

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Hella dude, didn't mean that as an attack or anything, just a majority use shit the wrong way, and that can be said for a lot of things in life :)

Jake.
 

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Props on the lay, very smooth ;) I have never managed to pull from a club in JP despite having great reactions and lots of fun trying, maybe gotta pull the trigger a lot earlier like u did?

I have never seen anyone doing street approaching in JP, mind you I have hardly spent any time in Tokyo since discovering GC but I would have thought if it was happening in Tokyo it'd be happening in Osaka too. What district was this, was it a Westerner hangout like Roppongi (where all the international hotels and embassies are) or Ueno (market, omiyage shops etc), a nightspot like Shinjuku or Shibuya? Upmarket shopping district? What time of day?

Closest thing I have seen is in Osaka in Dotombori where from afternoon onwards lots of girls in miniskirts and heels seem to hang out in public squares (intersections, bridges etc) with lots of hubbub and dudes milling around, I have not figured out exactly what this is about but I suspect prostitution may be involved. Perhaps I am being uncharitable and they are just hanging out, yet the clothing style is almost professionally sexy, and they seem to expect to be approached. It doesn't seem to be "masaji". I like to flirt with these girls but I have not considered them serious prospects.

Anyway tell me more about your RSD-following buddy, did u get a number? Did u talk to any others? I'm keen to do some wingman game next I am in JP. I thought approaching was like totally taboo and I was the only dude who had figured out how much they love a rulebreaker haha.

Ray
 

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Have you ever been to Lagos (Nigeria)? That's where I live right now (I've lived here in this city most part of my life!)

Just a random city I picked as an example of a black-majority country.
Coincidence eh?

Guess I'm booking that trip to Japan soon lol I love japanese women. They're so "shy" yet wild and sexy once they open up to you.

Interesting observation about the RSD 'student'. The thing is anyone can call themselves an RSD guy after following them on youtube for a while but never go on any of their programme lol.

Three things about them I noticed consistently :

1. smooth and silky skin ;

2. fucked up teeth (cute on many of them, too much in some other cases) ;

3. bad legs'/feet joints in the sense they don't walk straight (how the hell you noticed that you might wonder, well, I always observe a woman strut from behind as an indicator of should I go for her or not)

Overall, in spite of all that, still one of my top pick nations though.

About the guy, well, I don't think he calls himself "RSD Guy" man, I just gave him that nickname as he follows those guys lol.


Hella dude, didn't mean that as an attack or anything, just a majority use shit the wrong way, and that can be said for a lot of things in life :)

I know I know man :)

Props on the lay, very smooth ;) I have never managed to pull from a club in JP despite having great reactions and lots of fun trying, maybe gotta pull the trigger a lot earlier like u did?

Good to hearing from you Ray!
We still need to catch up via email :).

I think that more of a question of "early" was just "right timing", she was left alone, she was probably hoping for a guy of her liking to give her a better night and it was late and we were vibing but it's not comfortable to keep screaming in a loud environment.. So just made sense at that point.


I have never seen anyone doing street approaching in JP, mind you I have hardly spent any time in Tokyo since discovering GC but I would have thought if it was happening in Tokyo it'd be happening in Osaka too. What district was this, was it a Westerner hangout like Roppongi (where all the international hotels and embassies are) or Ueno (market, omiyage shops etc), a nightspot like Shinjuku or Shibuya? Upmarket shopping district? What time of day?

The example I used in the first LR post was in Shinjuku, on the way towards the metro coming from Studio Alta. It was not daytime -didn't go spend that much time out in the day anyway- but before he metro closed, so before midnight as well, not exactly a "night spot location" there, more like commuting.
Seen countless in Shibuya as well. And I mean countless. Also most of the flyer guys, and there are many, do both: give flyers and harass women.
And while I have seen some westerners do it, it was mostly Japanese guys.

I didn't list it in the topic, but the guys doing so in these high concentration places are one of the reasons why I don't particularly dig super-crowded places for seduction. The first two I saw were standing and tapping girls passing by on the shoulders. Terrible.

Have seen several in Osaka as well, in Namba, though not sure if those guys were looking for hookers or just going for normal girls.
Maaan that place was weird for me, not a SINGLE guy tried to give me a flier or get me into a club and not a single hooker tried to get on with me. Some flier guy would actually move way out of my way in an almost unnatural way, as if I was bringing some killer virus or something lol.

Loved Osaka, found it to give more welcoming reactions than Tokyo.

Anyway tell me more about your RSD-following buddy, did u get a number? Did u talk to any others? I'm keen to do some wingman game next I am in JP. I thought approaching was like totally taboo and I was the only dude who had figured out how much they love a rulebreaker haha.

Sometimes he was clumsy going for the number and got denied, but he did get a few as well. Me, to be honest, I didn't get a single one while with him as it both wasn't my goal and he ended up taking over most of the conversations anyway when it was the both of us :).

I'd be very curious to know if he's seen that hyena girl again, maybe I'll write him later.
 
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