Normal or abnormal: Never seeing signs of interest

[ElderPrice]

Hi everyone. I've been discussing this in my journal and wanted to try giving it its own thread to see if anyone else had any thoughts on this subject.

This idea started with me trying to figure out why I'm struggling to get results regardless of my progress.

To summarize my progress and to provide context, I began my journey let's just say two years ago. The first year I only met girls online. Got some dates out of it. None made it to bed. Some made it to second dates but they weren't much different than first dates. After that first year I was unhappy only matching/getting responses from unattractive girls so I quit online and started going out. I've been going out for about a year now, maybe a little more than a year. I've made who knows how many hundreds of opens/interactions, who knows how many dozens of phone number closes, and all in all I've been on about 40 dates since starting the journey.

Lately I've been pretty happy with my game as far as number closes goes. I get new numbers every weekend, and a couple weeks ago I got 5 numbers in one night. But in the last several months, literally zero numbers have converted to dates.

Of the 40 dates I've been on, zero have ended with anything sexual. As a matter of fact, they all end the same way: the girls just aren't interested or aroused or turned on. Despite following Chase's date templates, despite deep diving, despite initiating flirting, despite taking the conversation sexual, despite incorporating touch, girls just NEVER reciprocate. Whether it's the first 5 minutes of a date or after an hour. And as a result, when I try something sexual, whether that's a kiss or an invite to someone's place, they decline. And as a result of the lack of reciprocating, it's no surprise I haven't gotten a second date in over a year.

After re-reading through several 'signs of interest' articles here on GC lately, I've noticed that during my entire journey I've NEVER seen these signs of interest from girls, regardless of where in the process I found myself. Whether it was meeting girls on a date from online, or approaching a new girl in-person, or going on a date with a girl I've met previously, or talking to a girl in person, having her agree to a date with me, and agree to give me her number, in all these cases, I've NEVER seen the signs of interest mentioned in these articles:

From the "How Girls Show Interest" article:

She says you’d make a great couple, you look good together, anything like that
She says you’re handsome or sexy
She asks you where you live, especially if it comes at an unusual time in the conversation or out of the middle of nowhere
She asks if you live alone or with friends or roommates, and especially if she asks if they are home right now
She focuses more of her attention on you, especially if you’ve been quiet or other people are competing for her attention, but she’s still devoting a lot of attention to you
She does something physically suggestive, like taking your arm and putting it around her or taking your hand and putting it on her, or putting her hand or legs on you
She buys you food or buys you a drink

Or from "Book Excerpts: Signs She Likes You"

She’s physically leaning into you – the closer the better
Her body is facing you
She’s asking you lots of questions
She’s proactively working to qualify herself and build rapport and a connection, including:
She agrees with just about everything you say, very emphatically
She works to relate her experiences to yours and build commonalities
She focuses on ways that the two of you are alike in conversation
She’s touching you
She’s talking about things the two of you can or will do in the future (such as hanging out, going to different places, or even taking vacations)
She uses “we” and “us” when referring to you and her

I know I sound like (and am) a noob, but I really feel like I've approached enough and read enough to be confident that it's not like I'm missing signs of interest. If these lists are common signs of interest that any young man here on GC should be seeing from a girl he's talking to that he's about to get a date or number from, believe me, I'm not seeing them. Ever.

So my question is:
Particularly to those who have coached others before, have you ever seen something like this before? Have you ever seen someone not miss signs of interest, but just isn't getting any? And someone who isn't getting any despite reading about fundamentals more times than they can count and working on them to the best of their abilities? Surely this isn't normal? Surely the women you get dates and numbers from and go on dates with SHOULD be giving you these signs at least SOME of the time. But what do you do if ZERO of the girls you approach do this and even the ones that come out on dates with you don't do this? How do you tell which fundamental is way off?

Thanks everyone!

EDIT: Forgot to add: The legendary Seppuku has suggested that perhaps I'm appearing too eager or easy to get? Perhaps. I have no idea. After my last failed date, he suggested on the next date to really dial back the energy, try not to smile unless she's done something to earn it, and to really work on the 'bored' face. Or stuff to that effect. I plan to try it out but haven't found a date since! I am however struggling to see how this could possibly be happening when simply MEETING new women. I can understand it happening on a date, being a little more nerve racking a situation. But approaching like normal? I'd be shocked. All I've been doing is make eye contact, smile, approach, introduce, strike up a conversation, then if she seems the least receptive, ask if single, ask on date, ask or get number. Boom. End of story. Nothing weird. I can't possibly see myself as coming across as too eager here. But again, what do I know.
Anyway, I figured I'd include some previous thoughts on the matter. Just food for thought.

 

[HumanWhoLearns]

Normal for me since I'm new at this, but FORTY dates and not even getting a kiss or her agreeing with you to hang out at your/her place? That's definitely not normal. That's akin to having 40 plate appearances and striking out every time.

Honestly, it could be a lot of things. Read up on how to attract women, what they're actually looking for, and how to talk to them. Since you've gotten no positive reactions, your fundamentals are off base. If you can't figure it out on your own, it might do you some good to look at some of the dating coaches on here, or find some people who are good with women, watch what they do, and emulate it.

 

[ElderPrice]

Normal for me since I'm new at this, but FORTY dates and not even getting a kiss or her agreeing with you to hang out at your/her place? That's definitely not normal. That's akin to having 40 plate appearances and striking out every time.

Honestly, it could be a lot of things. Read up on how to attract women, what they're actually looking for, and how to talk to them. Since you've gotten no positive reactions, your fundamentals are off base. If you can't figure it out on your own, it might do you some good to look at some of the dating coaches on here, or find some people who are good with women, watch what they do, and emulate it.

If I had to bet, I don't think a tweak here or there will fix it. I'll try it, but I don't expect it to fix it. I'm thinking it's got to be some messed up inner game that's ever so slightly showing itself in my interactions and thus killing all of them in the same fashion. Just a guess. Not sure what the specific inner game issue could be or how to fix it.